Ultrafire fakes, opened up and refunded !

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Ultrafire fakes, opened up and refunded !

Hey everyone,

Just thought I would pass my little story along to anyone who's interested.  About a year ago I bought some 18650 Ultrafire 3000's cells off Ebay, They turned out to be about 2200mah but for $3ea shipped I didnt complain much. So last month I bought 6 more. 2 where DOA and the rest went from 700-1400mah. Needless to say I was a little upset. After reading this post I figured I would try and get my money back http://budgetlightforum.com/node/945 Now if you read through it I think this is the same seller under another name.This is how our conversation went.....

"hello I bought a total of 6 of these batteries and 2 of them are completely dead and the other 4 only test to about 750-1400mah these are totally useless for me. Please send a refund."


He replyed back.... "HI, could you please test the batteries from multimeter to check their voltage?
Would you mine to send me a photo to show the problem of the defective item? I will do my best to resolve the problem for you.
Please send the photo to my email address: recyclepowers_cs@yahoo.com
These batteries were made for manufacturer use. The quality may not as good as the branded batteries, but the difference of capacity should not be this much.
Could you please return the batteries by the cheapest method if they are not working properly? I will full refund your payment + the returning shipping postage for you.
Or would you like to keep the batteries for partially refund your payment which can save from return postage and time from posting back the item?
Thank you"

My reply..... "Sorry I don't have a digital camera to post pictures, One of the dead ones read 0v and the other reads .43v after trying them on 2 chargers the results where the same they would not take a charger. The other 4 batteries only would put out between 750mah - 1400mah
I can not ship them back,  The post office also has rules stating they will not ship batteries.

I would like a full refund, the batteries are fakes and are of no use to me, in fact I cant even throw them away they will need to be taken to a recycling center. The auction numbers are 160498935487 and 160498935395 My paypal email account address is -------  The paypal transaction numbers are Unique Transaction ID #6YF6016072967 and Unique Transaction ID #4YK64564AN061 Thank you for your quick reply.

I got a refund today Smile anyway I decided to take a few apart since their ALL getting recycled now that I know they are potentially very unsafe. The first picture of the "new" cells with the protection circit. Note the numbers do not match and they are put together very poorly. On one of them the PCB was lead was not welded on the negative end so it fell off when opened up. The plastic was very brittle and tore easially.

new ultrafire 3000 , fakes ?

Last years ultrafire 3000mah

I won't be buying any of the "junk fire" cells again. I'm a pretty cheap guy but after all this hastle I am sticking with the Hi-Max cells. I don't think anyone has reported fakes on the Hi-Max cells. For only a few $ more I don't think you can go wrong.

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Strange you state you don't have a digital camera yet you post pics here?

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The second pic looks like to be a Sony , not sure about the other .

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I'm actually using my wifes camera, she was gone for the weekend so I didnt have access to one when I sent the email. This guy knows he is selling fakes and is just wanting me jump throught the hoops, hoping to get to the 45 day cutoff. I just looked at the paypal transaction and he only refunded 2 of them. I sent him another email lets see how it goes. Here is another pic of all 6 I think the theory of them being recycled is pretty valid. Out of 6 cells none are the same! 6 fake ultrafire 3000's

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BlueBeam wrote:

Strange you state you don't have a digital camera yet you post pics here?

 

Ooopps ... Blue beam states the very obvious .... I fell out of my chair on that one ..

 

Welll.. he meant for chinese vendors who are selling known fakes who are purposefully jerking you around ..He didn't have a digital camera available ,,,>> meaning it was in the other room and might need the battery charged .

Very nice catch though ..I liked that .

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"Welll.. he meant for chinese vendors who are selling known fakes who are purposefully jerking you around ..He didn't have a digital camera available ,,,>> meaning it was in the other room and might need the battery charged ."

Very very close, Innocent

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Out of 6 cells none are the same  is very scary...   but he didn't know .. because they were for  manufacturer use .. yeah right .. those dang manufactureres use lots of bad batteries

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What wrapper was on those cells before you removed them? Did they all have the same wrapper?

Piers said " ....but who wants enough light, when you have the option for far too much "

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Langcjl, Yes they where all the same wrappers, the standard red/black Ultrafire 3000 BRC. I would like to propose this, anyone who has some bad or dieing cells to open up the wrappers and post some pics before sending them off to be recycled. It might be interesting too see whats really inside maybe start a database? It looks like there was NO attempt at removing the factory markings.

So I wonder, how many of the Ultrafire / Trustfire / Whatever fire are fakes? It looks to me that there are more Fakes out there than the real thing. I would love to get my hands on some Genuine Ultrafire 3000's if such a thing exists (not saying their any better but it would be fun to see) wrappers

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xxllmm4 wrote:

 I would love to get my hands on some Genuine Ultrafire 3000's if such a thing exists (not saying their any better but it would be fun to see) 

BRC 3000 mAh is old news, BRC 4000 mAh is the new thing: http://www.buyincoins.com/details/1-x-uf-18650-3-7v-rechargeable-battery...

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BRC 3000 mAh is old news, BRC 4000 mAh is the new thing: http://www.buyincoins.com/details/1-x-uf-18650-3-7v-rechargeable-battery...

I'm holding out for the 5000mah myself Wink

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I made some complaints for batteries and i absolutely hate when they tell me:

These batteries were made for manufacturer use. The quality may not as good as the branded batteries, but the difference of capacity should not be this much.

What a load of...

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There is a group buy for XTAR atm, check there if interested.

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Xxllmm4, thanks for posting that picture. I'll be sure to avoid those.

Piers said " ....but who wants enough light, when you have the option for far too much "

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Boaz wrote:

BlueBeam wrote:

Strange you state you don't have a digital camera yet you post pics here?

 

Ooopps ... Blue beam states the very obvious .... I fell out of my chair on that one ..

 

Welll.. he meant for chinese vendors who are selling known fakes who are purposefully jerking you around ..He didn't have a digital camera available ,,,>> meaning it was in the other room and might need the battery charged .

Very nice catch though ..I liked that .

I was just amused at the fact that he told the guy he didn't have a camera and yet he post pics here instead.

Sarcasm doesn't type well I guess! But funny none the less!

I wouldn't jump through any hoops for the guy, just file a claim and demand full refund!

 

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xxllmm4 can you look at the bottom of PCB. Does it write anything like UltraFire on it?

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ledoman wrote:

xxllmm4 can you look at the bottom of PCB. Does it write anything like UltraFire on it?

These are obviously not real Ultrafires.

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mfm wrote:
ledoman wrote:

xxllmm4 can you look at the bottom of PCB. Does it write anything like UltraFire on it?

These are obviously not real Ultrafires.

I know that, but I want to know how good is their mimic and to compare with mine.

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 I bought some 18650 Ultrafire 3000's cells off Ebay<< ?? ouch ...

I'm only trying to warn others

Ebay and batteries is a BAD  mix

junk chargers and ebay are a bad mix

ultrafire 3000 batteries are garbage  and everybody on the planet knows it ..

 if you don't know it ..learn it right here ,Everyone hates this battery ..i think they hate the real ones not just the fakes ..i am pretty positive this battery hasn't ever gotten a real decent review... If anyone ever says made for manufacturers use...RUN . it means Junk . There are places to be cheap , there are places you can get away with spending less or cutting corners ,healthcare ,tires ,brakes and batteries aren't those places .

Chinese batteries stink ...  Japan makes and has always made the best batteries in the world ..

only buy batteries that are made in Japan .... and you'll be a happy camper Silly

I bought 20 Panasonics  for $41 shipped   http://budgetlightforum.com/node/1786   that's hard to beat

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I just bought 20 of those too.  $2 and a big 'ole nickle each.  YEAHbaby!

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Kids .. this is the deal on batteries ... they are unprotected ..So don't put them in the toaster or play crazy lets experiment games with them .. show some respect to these and they will probably impress you .. the price is unbeatable

Panasonic  even knows how to spell

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Boaz wrote:

Kids .. this is the deal on batteries ... they are unprotected ..So don't put them in the toaster or play crazy lets experiment games with them .. show some respect to these and they will probably impress you .. the price is unbeatable

Only if you live in USA Frown

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Buying 18650's on eBay is a serious gamble. Sounds very similar to the fake Trustfire flames from last year. The scary thing is that somebody is buying these and not realizing just how awful they are (and potentially hazardous). I'm guessing for there to be so many different battery types under the wrapper that maybe they are taking them out of old laptops or something? To me the lesson isn't to buy some better brand, it is to only buy from sellers that are known to be good.

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This just keeps getting better! I completly frogot I had ordered these batteries from another seller about 6 weeks ago and they just showed up. These where unprotected Ultrafire 3000mah. I had planned on making a battery pack out of them.  I charged 2 of them and got a whopping 70mah at 1A out of one and 5mah out of the other! I decided to stop charging and discharging these batteries since they could be unsafe. 

They where wrapped in the standard ultrafire wrapper but under it was a thick tough black plastic sleeve. I had to get the xacto knife out and cut at it for about 5 miniutes to get it off. Once the plastic is off they are much thinner than a standard 18650. So what the heck are these from? These look to be recycled also, they had 4 spotwelds in the center of the negative end where they where wired to packs. New endcaps where put on to make it look new.

more fake ultrafires

fakes with plastic cover

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Thats ever faker than the other fakes. Those have to be the most faked up batteries I have ever seen.

Piers said " ....but who wants enough light, when you have the option for far too much "

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No kidding Langcjl, The only thing faker would be to get sticks of wood and place them in Ultrafire wrappers and sell them for $1.50ea  On the bright side I have been refunded for all these batteries and they have provided a bit of entertainment Wink

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I just got a 21550 "Small Sun 4500mah" battery, which is supposed to be designed for 3AAA lights. First thought it was a brilliant idea for the coule AAA lights I have. But it turned out to be a 14500 stuck inside a plastic tube with a spacer at the bottom and then wrapped up. Except they even botched that the battery appears to be lopsided inside so the button on top is offset and at an angle....

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ledoman, Here is a pic of the ends. If you look closely at the flame area their not quite the same on all ultrafires. I don't know if its an indication of fakes or not.

fake ultrafire protection

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Is that the protection curcuit  in the bottom with the ultrafire stamp on it ?

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