Review - Int'L Outdoor Store P60 drop in ( 4 mode )

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Review - Int'L Outdoor Store P60 drop in ( 4 mode )

 

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I ordered myself a P60 drop in from Int'L Outdoor Store just to see how much things have improved the last couple of years . I chose the Cool White emitter and 4 mode . It looks to be reasonably well made and certainly does what I wanted it to ( I had my fingers crossed ) .

Lets get straight to some measured performance figures , and current is a good place to start .

Himax 18650 Battery :

Batt 1) 2A on High , 0.560A on Medium , 0.057A on low , and Moon Mode ( lets call it that ) 0.005A .

Batt 2) 2.4A on high , 0.7A on medium , 0.058A on low and Moon mode 0.006A

Xtar 18650 Battery :

H-2.4A , M-0.7A , L-0.056A , Moon-0.006A

Samsung 18650 Battery :

H-2A , M-0.635A , L-0.054A , Moon-0.005A

Solarforce 18650 Battery :

H-2.6A , M-0.6A , L-0.056A , Moon-0.006A

Sanyo 18650 Battery :

H-2.5A , M-0.675A , L-0.057A , Moon-0.005A

Panasonic 18650 Battery :

H-2.2A , M-0.7A , L-0.056A , Moon-0.005A

Current results are what was measured , and there would be some variance involved ..

Next lets try some measured Light Output figures . I used my light box for this ( Calibrated with a Jetbeam PA40 of know output ) and again please be aware there might be some variance . I used the Solarforce Battery is it was performing best on the day :

High returned between 890Lumen to 920Lumen

Medium returned some 261Lumen

Low returned some 23Lumen

And Moon mode was so low my light box was unable to measure it ...

What I really liked was the lack of heat related output sag . Previously with hot P60 pills , output sag was almost immediate , and within seconds 200 to 300 lumen could be lost as the pill / emitter heated up . I saw no such output sag from this pill , in fact it seemed to hold very steady from the get go . And I had not even wrapped the pill in alfoil yet . Another nice feature is the mode memory seems to be relatively fast . I turned the light on chose a mode and ran it for about 5 seconds , turned the light off for 5 seconds and then back on , and it was in the same mode ( Low ) .  The beam is typical XM-L P60 and the colour shift is not as bad as can be when walling . I haven't tried it in anger yet ( in the dark ) but hope to do so tonight .

 

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Beams tonight I hope ... 

Flashlight is actually brighter than the pictures show , to the naked eye .

But a comparison of levels ( modes ) , Moon mode was so low the camera could not pick it up . If I had lengthened the exposure , then it might be more like the real deal ( what the eye sees ) But its a little hard to do in the dark ... 

In fact what the camera sees , is a little like the naked eye , only Low mode would be moon mode and med would be low and high would be medium .  So I hope that did not confuse anyone ...  So these pictures would represent ( To the naked eye ) , the first image is much like moon mode to the naked eye .. These images turned out a little darker than what I would have liked .. Perhaps a full second exposure ? 

 

 Always remember , the easiest thing in the world to do , is to expel hot air from your lungs and through some vocal chords ..
The resulting sound may , or may not be worth listening too ….

 

Edited by: old4570 on 01/23/2015 - 07:00
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Looking forward to beam shots.

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I have a couple of Int’l Outdoor p60’s. I have the Nichia219B with a SMO and 2 mode config. It’s superb, on a Samsung 25R I get 2.38 amps at the tailcap.

Very nice, warms up but doesn’t get anywhere near as hot as my Nichia219B Convoy M1 (Qlite 3.0A) and seems almost as bright.

I also have the XP-L U5 7A3 (WW) set on 4 mode. With the Samsung I see an exact 3.04 amps with my DMM at the tail cap. Guess it would be nice if the moon mode was still a little lower.

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Thanks for these test’s. The copper mcpcb with direct thermal path has really improved the output of p60 lights.

Nice to have someone with a light box confirm this.

I have a couple of the earlier, lower vf XM-L2 p60’s with east-092 drivers pulling close to 6 amps, one with a Noctigon and the other with a Sinkpad 2.

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Thanks for posting your findings.

Can you see what stuff that is on the fourth star? Looks like something easy. Probably don't need a soldering iron..Just curious what that stuff is.

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ChibiM wrote:

Thanks for posting your findings.

Can you see what stuff that is on the fourth star? Looks like something easy. Probably don't need a soldering iron..Just curious what that stuff is.

4th star = The solder bridge for the 4 Modes ..  Depending on what star you bridge , you can select the modes you want ..

 Always remember , the easiest thing in the world to do , is to expel hot air from your lungs and through some vocal chords ..
The resulting sound may , or may not be worth listening too ….

 

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Hi-Beam wrote:
Thanks for these test's. The copper mcpcb with direct thermal path has really improved the output of p60 lights. Nice to have someone with a light box confirm this. I have a couple of the earlier, lower vf XM-L2 p60's with east-092 drivers pulling close to 6 amps, one with a Noctigon and the other with a Sinkpad 2.

I still have some of the HOT Manafont drop ins , one with the right battery could see 5A or better .. All of that power went to producing heat and the output sag was horrendous ..

With a nice cold emitter you could see 1200Lumen+ but the sag was almost instantaneous , and you could see the output drop and drop past 600Lumen if you kept the light on long enough . And with so much output sag , there was little point to such current levels .. 

 Always remember , the easiest thing in the world to do , is to expel hot air from your lungs and through some vocal chords ..
The resulting sound may , or may not be worth listening too ….

 

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old4570 wrote:

ChibiM wrote:

Thanks for posting your findings.

Can you see what stuff that is on the fourth star? Looks like something easy. Probably don't need a soldering iron..Just curious what that stuff is.

4th star = The solder bridge for the 4 Modes ..  Depending on what star you bridge , you can select the modes you want ..

Is it solder? I thought it was something else... therefore my question. I thought it was something that could be applied without having to use any tools. guess I am wrong

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If its not solder it might be liquid silver ...

We used to use liquid silver a long time ago to unlock AMD CPU's ...

It actually came in a sort of dispensing PEN ! 

 Always remember , the easiest thing in the world to do , is to expel hot air from your lungs and through some vocal chords ..
The resulting sound may , or may not be worth listening too ….