Review request for HKJ [Rechargeable Batteries]

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Grace vivian Aweite wrote:
the answer is no ! we did not re-wrap the other brand battery, we are the AWT !!! Original and Authentic !!! Anyway, it is glad to know you! wish you good day ! Regards Grace Vivian Aweite (AWT)

hmmmmmm. That is strange. EVERY AWT battery that HKJ has done you did NOT provide information as to what CELL it is?!! Why is that? What is the big secret?!! Wink

It looks to me they are claiming they manufacture the batteries themselves and don’t rewrap. So the cell inside (if it is true) are AWT.

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^^^^ Thanks,,,,ya,,those Ultrafires concerned me about their legitimacy as a seller/manufacturer!

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Grace vivian Aweite wrote:
the answer is no ! we did not re-wrap the other brand battery, we are the AWT !!! Original and Authentic !!! Anyway, it is glad to know you! wish you good day ! Regards Grace Vivian Aweite (AWT)

hmmmmmm. That is strange. EVERY AWT battery that HKJ has done you did NOT provide information as to what CELL it is?!! Why is that? What is the big secret?!! Wink

It looks to me they are claiming they manufacture the batteries themselves and don’t rewrap. So the cell inside (if it is true) are AWT.

Exactly,that is what they claim.

My point is :If it is true WHY don’t they mentioned the cell used? Every single battery that they sent HKJ they DO NOT reveal the cell? Why is that? Are they hiding something?

To the best of my knowledge Sony, Panasonic, Samsung ect. always do?! They are proud of them and have nothing to hide!

Still waiting for GRACE to reply to my post!

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I don’t understand your point, if it is a AWT IMR18650 2500mAh 35A battery then that IS the cell inside. If it is true that they are making there own cells like they claim & don’t rewrap.
Just as if you have a Panasonic NCR18650PF then that is the NCR18650PF cell inside.

The only time i remember HKJ adding cell information that differ from the “Name” of the cell, is when it is a rewrap like keeppower or oribitronic for example & not if the information is unavailable.

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I don’t understand your point, if it is a AWT IMR18650 2500mAh 35A battery then that IS the cell inside. If it is true that they are making there own cells like they claim & don’t rewrap.
Just as if you have a Panasonic NCR18650PF then that is the NCR18650PF cell inside.

The only time i remember HKJ adding cell information that differ from the “Name” of the cell, is when it is a rewrap like keeppower or oribitronic for example or if the information is unavailable.

It is not that complicated!

Did you ever use HKJ’s comparator??

Look at AWT reviews/specifications and the CELL that is used is BLANK and NEVER mentioned. Look at Sony, Samsung,LG ect., The cell “Used” is always mentioned in the specs! Wink

Below is what HKJ says at the end of the review of the AWT IMR 2500mAh battery. In this case, “The Unspecified Cell” gets good grades!

Conclusion

Usual a battery with unspecified cell will not get better rating than acceptable, but there is no doubt it is a very good cell that is used here.

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I thin you both are not understanding each other.
Cajampa meant that if they have their own cell… They do not need to mention another manufacturer cell as if it were a rewrap so if you are reviewing a 18650 2450mAh 38A… At the point… CELL Used you won’t read INR18650-25R5… But just nothing because it’s their own cell

Now I don’t know if wolf dog just wanted AWT to put a code on their own cell if this is the case… So an AWT 18650 2450mAh 28A… Would be marked as CELL ID something like (AWT18650XYZ38A)

My guess….

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I thought I was VERY clear!!

I am NOT alone in speculating/wondering that AWT, EFEST and others may be re wraps because they do NOT verify or mention what cell they are using. For Crying out loud,,,HKJ mentions it every time at the end of the review when the cell is NOT specified!

WHY WOULD THEY LEAVE IT BLANK?!!

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I include the cell used if I am told what cell it is and allowed to include the information. I.e. the information is not what I can guess about the cells used, but what I am told.

Generally I doubt the different Chinese brands has their own cell factory, but if a brand states clearly that a cell is made in their own factory, I will probably include that information.

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Thanks HKJ for clarifying! 8)

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I don’t understand your point, if it is a AWT IMR18650 2500mAh 35A battery then that IS the cell inside. If it is true that they are making there own cells like they claim & don’t rewrap.
Just as if you have a Panasonic NCR18650PF then that is the NCR18650PF cell inside.

The only time i remember HKJ adding cell information that differ from the “Name” of the cell, is when it is a rewrap like keeppower or oribitronic for example or if the information is unavailable.

HUGE difference between Panasonic[established/verified/trusted] and AWT or Efest!

That is like saying if it is EFEST IMR 18650 2500mAh 35A then that is what cell is inside?! Wink

Sorry, if someone I do not know says something I need some proof or verification before I believe them,,especially from a communist country like China! They thrive on American support,,,,,,,,,,,,regardless of that when it comes to money, people can and will do anything to make sure that it[$] continues to flow!

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I don’t understand your point, if it is a AWT IMR18650 2500mAh 35A battery then that IS the cell inside. If it is true that they are making there own cells like they claim & don’t rewrap.
Just as if you have a Panasonic NCR18650PF then that is the NCR18650PF cell inside.

The only time i remember HKJ adding cell information that differ from the “Name” of the cell, is when it is a rewrap like keeppower or oribitronic for example or if the information is unavailable.

It is not that complicated!

Did you ever use HKJ’s comparator??

Look at AWT reviews/specifications and the CELL that is used is BLANK and NEVER mentioned. Look at Sony, Samsung,LG ect., The cell “Used” is always mentioned in the specs! Wink

??? Yes I know it is not complicated, that is why I was trying to explain that to you.

But you seemed to not realize (in the post i was replying to) that the name of the battery WAS the cell inside. Of course we couldn’t have know that before Grace claimed AWT make there own cells, but until that is disproven I will assume that is what they are.

They only thing i didn’t understand about your point, was why you where asking a question that was already answered.

I also have doubts that AWT truly make all there own cell & seemingly can compete with the massive battery manufacturer like LG, Samsung & Panasonic. And just “happen” to launch new spec cell very near the launch of these often rewrapped cells in similar specs & capacity as the big & well know manufacturers.
If they really can make such high end products WHY would they ever want to taint there reputation, with Ultrafire products that makes no sense to me at all :~

But as i said before in this thread if HKJ test says they are good compared to other cells in the market, then they are an option to buy for me Smile

Thanks TheBo Smile you got it, and yes Wolfdog you aren’t alone in suspecting them, but now AWT have at least officially claimed by there representative Grace to be “original & authentic” Wink battery cell manufacturers, so we will have to see how this all plays out in the future Wink

The Chinese manufacturers have at least produced 2 cells that i know of that beats anything the usual big manufacturers have made yet, the Windyfire 14500 600mha 10A & the Efest IMR10440 350mha cells + many of the good 26650 & 32650 cells i think also are Chinese made…..right?. So at least we know in “unusual” sizes they can compete.

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That is like saying if it is EFEST IMR 18650 2500mAh 35A then that is what cell is inside?! Wink

Inside I assume is the EFEST IMR 18650 2500mAh 35A cell Wink

I don’t try to defend the supposedly rewrapers, but if you don’t trust there claims in regards to AWT, then just says so instead of asking the same question again, so there will be less confusion.

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Good news on the ordered MKNE 26650 3500mAh cell :), i know some are suspecting that that is the base cell for the Efest purple 26650 3500mha. It is going to be interesting to find out if it could be Wink

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That is like saying if it is EFEST IMR 18650 2500mAh 35A then that is what cell is inside?! Wink

Inside I assume is the EFEST IMR 18650 2500mAh 35A cell Wink

I don’t try to defend the supposedly rewrapers, but if you don’t trust there claims in regards to AWT, then just says so instead of asking the same question again, so there will be less confusion.

The reason it seemed like the same question to you is because you could NOT grasp what I was saying about the specs in HKJ’s review of AWT and the FACT that the cell information was left blank! That was my whole point that I had to repeat over and over!

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Maybe it’s time to review the whole manufacturing process?

Where is the production line done?

What machinery is used?

Want one? http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/lithium-ion-battery-making-machine.html

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lol,( sorry,but i can not helping laughing) Thanks, Hank, you are smart!!! See your man fights with batteries is a great pleasure on me. ( not mean to offend) cuz you guys cares about battery, cares about the Chinese factory made or re-wrapped. I am here assure you guys, the AWT is AWT !!! Poor Chinese AWT workers in produce line…….If they know the AWT battery they produced be seem as the LG , Samsung, Panasonic or Sony, what will they think? happy or sad ? I guess they will say the same as i do, : AWT IS AWT !!! Their hands become black as they touch the battery. they hear that noise made by the machine. some of them search the best solution to improve the capacity with a little high ampers. to test the battery themself. though, they can not vape or use the expensive flashlight. but , they made their effort, and did their good job.

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Grace, it is good to see that you enjoy our fiery discussion on batteries. To be honest i was concerned you would find it off putting, so i am glad you find it enjoyable Smile

And i would hope your workers in the produce line, would be proud that they are competing with the big manufacturers in performance & that is what leads to these speculations.

What you could do to easier present the performance of your batteries, is to publish a discharge curve with different amp loads like HKJ does.
Because only the max amp rating & mha rating, isn’t enough to really know the performance of a battery in various applications & under various loads.

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Their hands become black as they touch the battery. …. some of them search the best solution to improve the capacity

This is actually not reassuring. I hope you will post pictures of the operation, and the quality control test results that you make each time someone changes anything about the production line. Yes, you can increase capacity by making small changes in material or construction. But capacity is a tradeoff for other important things you also want to know.

You get better “capacity” by substituting different separator material, for example —- but that has been the cause of a number of fires because someone in a factory substituted “almost the same” material, and it took a few years before it broke down and the chemicals mixed. That was in the news several years ago.

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Cylindrical cells are manufactured and assembled as follows. The electrolytes are formed from pastes of active material powders, binders, solvents, and additives and are fed to coating machines to be spread on current collector foils, such as aluminum for the cathode side and copper for the anode side. Subsequent calendaring for homogeneous thickness and particle size is followed by slitting to the correct width. The components are then stacked to separator-anode-separator cathode stacks followed by winding to cylindrical cells, insertion in cylindrical cases, and welding of a conducting tab. The cells are then filled with electrolyte. The electrolyte has to wet the separator, soak in, and wet the electrodes. The wetting and soaking process is the slowest step and therefore is the determining factor in the speed of the line. All other needed insulators, seals, and safety devices are then attached and connected. Then, the cells are charged the first time and tested. Often cells have to be vented during the first charge. First charging cycles follow sophisticated protocols to enhance the performance, cycling behavior, and service life of the cells. — http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0809/daniel-0809.html
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All lithium-ion batteries must be tested in accordance with specifications detailed in UN 3090 regardless of lithium content (UN manual of Tests and Criteria, Part III, subsection 38.3). This precaution safeguards against the shipment of flawed batteries. — http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/is_lithium_ion_the_ideal_battery

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22lithium-ion%22+battery+technology+spe...

Poor Chinese workers, indeed.
Sounds like you are getting the bad side of capitalism, just like every other country has at one time.

US history you may find applies: “Don’t mourn. Organize.”

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hank wrote:
Maybe it’s time to review the whole manufacturing process?

Where is the production line done?

What machinery is used?

Want one? http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/lithium-ion-battery-making-machine.html

hahahaha! Nice to see that there are people who are so Trustworthy with Word of mouth information that is unverified!! Wink

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Nice to see that there are people who are so Trustworthy with Word of mouth information that is unverified!!

er, what? I know China is a long way off for most of us, but let’s say they have a street address for their factory —- that sort of thing that can be verified.
Would that help?

If they’re really being as careless about handling lithium-ion chemicals as the “black hands” story suggests, eventually we could find it by looking for the plume of smoke and following the ambulances. But I hope that was exaggeration and they’re a legitimate producer of good batteries.

Time will tell.

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Would you mind taking a look at the new Olight 3600mah 18650?
www.banggood.com/1PCS-Olight-3_6v-3600mah-Rechargeable-Protected-18650-L...

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Interesting, i guess those can only be based on the panasonic NCR18650G 3600mAh cell.
Crazy expensive though……

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Would you mind taking a look at the new Olight 3600mah 18650? www.banggood.com/1PCS-Olight-3_6v-3600mah-Rechargeable-Protected-18650-L...

Not at the current time, I have way to much in queue.

I have put them on my low priority list, if they are still available when my queue is running low I will get them.

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Banggood has started selling
LG18650HG2 3000mAh 20A
Sanyo NCR18650GA 3500mAh 10A
Samsung NR18650 30Q 3000mah 15A You hadn’t added a buy link for these (or the LG HG2) so I am not sure if you still needed a seller for these. They call them Keeppower but the picture shows the Samsung cell,
LG INR18650 MH1 3200mAh
HETER 26650 4500mAh that was discussed earlier in this thread.
Sony US18650VTC5 these have started to show up at most trustworthy sellers now, i guess the supply problem is solved? or they are all fakes…..time will tell.

Good to see bangood picking up there cell game, soon we will hopefully be able to always count on them to sell the latest & greatest cells around, for reasonable with free shipping prices Smile

Some cell manufacturers i hope they start selling cells from are Efest, Windyfire & AWT.

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cajampa wrote:
Banggood has started selling
LG18650HG2 3000mAh 20A
Sanyo NCR18650GA 3500mAh 10A
Samsung NR18650 30Q 3000mah 15A You hadn’t added a buy link for these (or the LG HG2) so I am not sure if you still needed a seller for these. They call them Keeppower but the picture shows the Samsung cell,
LG INR18650 MH1 3200mAh
HETER 26650 4500mAh that we discussed earlier in this thread.
Sony US18650VTC5 these have started to show up at most trustworthy sellers now, i guess the supply problem is solved? or they are all fakes…..time will tell.

Good to see bangood picking up there cell game, soon we will hopefully be able to always count on them to sell the latest & greatest cells around, for reasonable with free shipping prices Smile

Some cell manufacturers i hope they start selling cells from are Efest, Windyfire & AWT.

+1 on all, except the HETER i have no interest….

the new 3KmAh roundup would be very very important, comparison below the 15A mark could be nice. all those single applications, where you have a single cell, maybe with a triple led in parallel and you don’t want the cell to dry out in few mins

also can’t wait to see how BAD the NL147 will perform…my sample it’s the worst cell I ever paid for…and was relatively EXPENSIVE

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cajampa wrote:
Banggood has started selling
LG18650HG2 3000mAh 20A
Sanyo NCR18650GA 3500mAh 10A
Samsung NR18650 30Q 3000mah 15A You hadn’t added a buy link for these (or the LG HG2) so I am not sure if you still needed a seller for these. They call them Keeppower but the picture shows the Samsung cell,
LG INR18650 MH1 3200mAh
HETER 26650 4500mAh that we discussed earlier in this thread.
Sony US18650VTC5 these have started to show up at most trustworthy sellers now, i guess the supply problem is solved? or they are all fakes…..time will tell.

Good to see bangood picking up there cell game, soon we will hopefully be able to always count on them to sell the latest & greatest cells around, for reasonable with free shipping prices Smile

Some cell manufacturers i hope they start selling cells from are Efest, Windyfire & AWT.

http://www.sun-vapers.com/how-to-spot-a-fake-sony-vtc5-battery/

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I am sorry, but as far as i understand it that was the old kind of VTC5 fakes. Nowadays trustworthy shops are starting to stock what seems to be genuine performing cells.
At least from various reviews i have read on these recently stocked VTC5’s that seems to show up everywhere.

But with all the fakes in the past when there was a drought on them i am extremely hesitant to buy some unfortunately.

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Fasttech is selling the Samsung INR18650-30Q also.

But i have always gotten much faster shipping to Sweden with Banggood Wink

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Some more sellers links this time from Gearbest, who also seem to have up there effort on batteries lately, although they still sell Ultrafires :Sp I will always be extra suspicious at any new cell they pick up until they stop sell those fakers Flat Stare

Olight 3600mAh 18650 Protected

Samsung INR18650 3000mha 30Q

Sanyo NCR18650GA 3500mah

DQG 320mAh 3.7V 10440“http://www.gearbest.com/batteries/pp_187025.html I think these are new. I can’t find any tests or reviews of these anywhere. I always look for that 10440 that will beat the Efest IMR10440 Wink

AWT IMR 2600mAh 40A I think this is the newest high drain cell. Good to see some more sellers picking up the AWT’s.
EDIT FAKES It seems i was right to be suspicious about Gearbest’s honesty, I missed it at first, but Billy X pointed out later in the thread that Gearbest actually admits that they sell fake AWT cells………

Nitecore Ni14500A 3.7V IMR 650mAh 6.5A
Another 14500
Skilhunt BL – 109 3.7V 900mAh Protected

TrustFire 950mAh 10A 14650 3.7V IMR An interesting size could possible fit in some 14500 lights if we don’t use springs & can move the driver or drill out the bottom, for some extra capacity. If they are good that is Smile At least the 32650 Trusfire’s are good, that always ups the chance these could be one of those rare *fire cells that are nice.

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reveal his findings ,all this speculation is just that speculation there have been a few good results and I have communicated with Grace she appear to be a very informed knowledgeable woman who contrary to other Chinese vendor ,a he did not spam any forums or try any flash sales she sent her companies batteries directly to HKJ for an honest review not jus hyped up uninformed sales rep trying to push their companies product.What is the worst that could happen your right they are rewrapped and you get bragging rights to say I told you so if your wrong we as a community get some superior qaulity batteries. By the way Grace does know her product and she has pride in her product

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