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My First Real Mods/Builds

I finally got the nerve to try doing something more than a simple spring bypass.

The 2 lights I decided I would either sacrifice, or make better, were the Thorfire C8 and a Small Sun ZY-T16 to try my first real Mods or Builds on.

Both Lights DO have spring bypasses at both ends on these. The ThorfireC8 was a fairly simple removal and swap of driver and MCPCB and replacing both. I used a17mm FET+1 six mode driver (moon – turbo) with 120 second turbo timer and a 20mm Noctigon MCPCB with dedomed XM-L2 U3 1A emitter. A little bit of sanding on the insulator gasket (centering ring) and focus was just right. Getting 4.57 amps at tailcap with 18650 LG HE4’s. I don’t have a lux meter or any way of testing lumen output (just yet).

I added the 175yd shot BEFORE the build (on the C8) for comparison in the beamshots below.

Beam Profile / Light 3ft from Light Gray wall

Gate 100 yards (Turbo)

Before The Build at 175 yards

After build 175 Yards (turbo)

The far WHITE marker is at 400 yards
400 yards (turbo)

400yards ENLARGED

The Small Sun ZY-T16 I used a 20mm FET “guppydrv” for the driver (lots and lots of settings) and a 20mm Noctigon MCPCB with a dedomed XM-L2 U4 1C emitter.
Driver here (scroll down to Universal guppydrv Rev 1),,,,,,, http://www.mtnelectronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=67_11...

After installing everything the heat dissipation and the focus were both pretty bad on this one, so I had to make a copper disk (started out with a piece of copper tubing) to go under the MCPCB to get that fixed and moving some heat. I had to mess with the focus ALOT. I got the heat management doing great and the focus is good now, other than close up when wall hunting it has some slight rings. (these are not noticeable in normal use a little further out)

Made the copper disk from this,

Finished the disk and put it in the pill with thermal paste under it,

Then used thermal paste under the MCPCB and got everything put back together.

The end result with this Small Sun I am really pleased with, as the tint and the output are a lot better than I had expected out of it, and it was being such a pain in he rear to get everything just right. Getting 4.19 amps at tailcap with 4000 mAh 26650 King Kong (black) unprotected button tops.

Beam profile / Light 6ft from Light Gray wall

Gate 100 yards (high)

175 yards

400 yards

400 yards ENLARGED

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Maxtoch M24 Sniper / Maxtoch 2X Shooter (2016 factory dedomed) , 2X - XHP 70.2 / Maxtoch Xsword / M1 Archer *** ### ThruNite // Archer 2A V3 / Ti4T / TN4A HI / TH10 / TH20 / C2 Mini / TC12 V2 / T01 /  , neutron 2C V3 , TC20 / Catapult V6 / TC15 / TC15 CE *** ###  Olight // H2R Nova , S10R III / S30R III / H1 Nova / H1 R Nova / X7 Marauder , PL Mini ,  M2R warrior //// Orca T11 / Nitecore EC20 / BLF A6 / Custom Convoy C8 / Lixada Triple 3800LM / Lixada 1000LM / LuxStone X30 / Manker E02 / Manker E14 II /  ### Thorfire /// PF03PF04 , Upgraded PF04 , C8 , S-50 ,  VG-10 , VG25 , C8s , BL30 , TK4A  , S1 , VG15 S  , TK 18 //// ##WowTac// A4 , A1 (original) , A2 headlamp , A3 //// Acebeam L16 /// Massdrop (Lumintop) Brass EDC

Edited by: robo819 on 01/22/2016 - 08:57
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Nice Job, Rob!

Thanks for showing!

-Chuck

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Nice mods! Great tint on that C8, looks CW and not greenish at all.

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I’d say that was quite a bit more then a spring bypass Shocked Looks like you’re a natural modder. My modding experience was removing a reflector from a light once.

thanks for sharing, it encourages the faint at heart.

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Thanks guys,

Yes the tint is a cool white on the C8 but not quiet as cool or bluish as the photos show. I didn’t adjust anything on the pictures from the beamshots, so they are as the camera captured them, and not exactly as my eye sees them (although fairly close), the Small Sun is a very good neutral white.

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Maxtoch M24 Sniper / Maxtoch 2X Shooter (2016 factory dedomed) , 2X - XHP 70.2 / Maxtoch Xsword / M1 Archer *** ### ThruNite // Archer 2A V3 / Ti4T / TN4A HI / TH10 / TH20 / C2 Mini / TC12 V2 / T01 /  , neutron 2C V3 , TC20 / Catapult V6 / TC15 / TC15 CE *** ###  Olight // H2R Nova , S10R III / S30R III / H1 Nova / H1 R Nova / X7 Marauder , PL Mini ,  M2R warrior //// Orca T11 / Nitecore EC20 / BLF A6 / Custom Convoy C8 / Lixada Triple 3800LM / Lixada 1000LM / LuxStone X30 / Manker E02 / Manker E14 II /  ### Thorfire /// PF03PF04 , Upgraded PF04 , C8 , S-50 ,  VG-10 , VG25 , C8s , BL30 , TK4A  , S1 , VG15 S  , TK 18 //// ##WowTac// A4 , A1 (original) , A2 headlamp , A3 //// Acebeam L16 /// Massdrop (Lumintop) Brass EDC

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Thanks for posting. I plan on attempting a C8 build in the future. Do you remember you camera settings ?

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It is a point and shoot camera (Fuji 14mp), I just set it for night time shots and use tripods.

I don’t have a clue what the setting would be.

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Maxtoch M24 Sniper / Maxtoch 2X Shooter (2016 factory dedomed) , 2X - XHP 70.2 / Maxtoch Xsword / M1 Archer *** ### ThruNite // Archer 2A V3 / Ti4T / TN4A HI / TH10 / TH20 / C2 Mini / TC12 V2 / T01 /  , neutron 2C V3 , TC20 / Catapult V6 / TC15 / TC15 CE *** ###  Olight // H2R Nova , S10R III / S30R III / H1 Nova / H1 R Nova / X7 Marauder , PL Mini ,  M2R warrior //// Orca T11 / Nitecore EC20 / BLF A6 / Custom Convoy C8 / Lixada Triple 3800LM / Lixada 1000LM / LuxStone X30 / Manker E02 / Manker E14 II /  ### Thorfire /// PF03PF04 , Upgraded PF04 , C8 , S-50 ,  VG-10 , VG25 , C8s , BL30 , TK4A  , S1 , VG15 S  , TK 18 //// ##WowTac// A4 , A1 (original) , A2 headlamp , A3 //// Acebeam L16 /// Massdrop (Lumintop) Brass EDC

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Well you did a good job on the photographs. If you check the properties of the photo it should tell you camera settings.

I would like to see the settings for the pics with the gates.

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Nice job on these mods Smile i have the same Thorfire C8, but have not modded it yet.

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chadvone wrote:
Well you did a good job on the photographs. If you check the properties of the photo it should tell you camera settings.

I would like to see the settings for the pics with the gates.

Doh I knew that brain dead ATM I guess………

here ya go….

4608×3440
600 dpi
Bit depth 24

ISO-200
focal length 6mm
Max apeture 3.44
Brightness -4.67
Landscape Mode

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Maxtoch M24 Sniper / Maxtoch 2X Shooter (2016 factory dedomed) , 2X - XHP 70.2 / Maxtoch Xsword / M1 Archer *** ### ThruNite // Archer 2A V3 / Ti4T / TN4A HI / TH10 / TH20 / C2 Mini / TC12 V2 / T01 /  , neutron 2C V3 , TC20 / Catapult V6 / TC15 / TC15 CE *** ###  Olight // H2R Nova , S10R III / S30R III / H1 Nova / H1 R Nova / X7 Marauder , PL Mini ,  M2R warrior //// Orca T11 / Nitecore EC20 / BLF A6 / Custom Convoy C8 / Lixada Triple 3800LM / Lixada 1000LM / LuxStone X30 / Manker E02 / Manker E14 II /  ### Thorfire /// PF03PF04 , Upgraded PF04 , C8 , S-50 ,  VG-10 , VG25 , C8s , BL30 , TK4A  , S1 , VG15 S  , TK 18 //// ##WowTac// A4 , A1 (original) , A2 headlamp , A3 //// Acebeam L16 /// Massdrop (Lumintop) Brass EDC

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DBSAR wrote:
Nice job on these mods Smile i have the same Thorfire C8, but have not modded it yet.

It is a good one to mod, the one I have came with the solid screw out pill in it, I have heard they were putting a pill with a hole in the middle of it for awhile.

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Maxtoch M24 Sniper / Maxtoch 2X Shooter (2016 factory dedomed) , 2X - XHP 70.2 / Maxtoch Xsword / M1 Archer *** ### ThruNite // Archer 2A V3 / Ti4T / TN4A HI / TH10 / TH20 / C2 Mini / TC12 V2 / T01 /  , neutron 2C V3 , TC20 / Catapult V6 / TC15 / TC15 CE *** ###  Olight // H2R Nova , S10R III / S30R III / H1 Nova / H1 R Nova / X7 Marauder , PL Mini ,  M2R warrior //// Orca T11 / Nitecore EC20 / BLF A6 / Custom Convoy C8 / Lixada Triple 3800LM / Lixada 1000LM / LuxStone X30 / Manker E02 / Manker E14 II /  ### Thorfire /// PF03PF04 , Upgraded PF04 , C8 , S-50 ,  VG-10 , VG25 , C8s , BL30 , TK4A  , S1 , VG15 S  , TK 18 //// ##WowTac// A4 , A1 (original) , A2 headlamp , A3 //// Acebeam L16 /// Massdrop (Lumintop) Brass EDC

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Got you PM. I m very impressed what these C8’s will do. I am working on a shopping list right now.

Did you dedome the LED yourself ? Thinking I might just get a HI version.

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I have dedomed a few LED’s, but I got these from Richard at Mtnelectronics already dedomed on the boards.

Be sure if you do order from him you check the box for it to be dedomed at the bottom of the image if you are in fact wanting a dedomed emitter.
http://www.mtnelectronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60_61...

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Maxtoch M24 Sniper / Maxtoch 2X Shooter (2016 factory dedomed) , 2X - XHP 70.2 / Maxtoch Xsword / M1 Archer *** ### ThruNite // Archer 2A V3 / Ti4T / TN4A HI / TH10 / TH20 / C2 Mini / TC12 V2 / T01 /  , neutron 2C V3 , TC20 / Catapult V6 / TC15 / TC15 CE *** ###  Olight // H2R Nova , S10R III / S30R III / H1 Nova / H1 R Nova / X7 Marauder , PL Mini ,  M2R warrior //// Orca T11 / Nitecore EC20 / BLF A6 / Custom Convoy C8 / Lixada Triple 3800LM / Lixada 1000LM / LuxStone X30 / Manker E02 / Manker E14 II /  ### Thorfire /// PF03PF04 , Upgraded PF04 , C8 , S-50 ,  VG-10 , VG25 , C8s , BL30 , TK4A  , S1 , VG15 S  , TK 18 //// ##WowTac// A4 , A1 (original) , A2 headlamp , A3 //// Acebeam L16 /// Massdrop (Lumintop) Brass EDC

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Great mods. The small sun is one of those lights that has all kinds of possibilities.

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nice mods, looks great!

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Sweetness!!! Can definitely see the difference. The beamshot at 175yrds looks a bit like daylight. Sure you didn’t call on the sun gods to help you in that shot?!??

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Nice work. Fun, isn’t it?

My Favorite Modded Lights: X6R, S8 , X2R , M6, SP03

Major Projects:  Illuminated Tailcap, TripleDown/TripleStack Driver

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It is satisfying to see the results in the end for sure pilot.

Getting there can be a hair pulling experience at times though when you just kind of winging it…..lol

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Maxtoch M24 Sniper / Maxtoch 2X Shooter (2016 factory dedomed) , 2X - XHP 70.2 / Maxtoch Xsword / M1 Archer *** ### ThruNite // Archer 2A V3 / Ti4T / TN4A HI / TH10 / TH20 / C2 Mini / TC12 V2 / T01 /  , neutron 2C V3 , TC20 / Catapult V6 / TC15 / TC15 CE *** ###  Olight // H2R Nova , S10R III / S30R III / H1 Nova / H1 R Nova / X7 Marauder , PL Mini ,  M2R warrior //// Orca T11 / Nitecore EC20 / BLF A6 / Custom Convoy C8 / Lixada Triple 3800LM / Lixada 1000LM / LuxStone X30 / Manker E02 / Manker E14 II /  ### Thorfire /// PF03PF04 , Upgraded PF04 , C8 , S-50 ,  VG-10 , VG25 , C8s , BL30 , TK4A  , S1 , VG15 S  , TK 18 //// ##WowTac// A4 , A1 (original) , A2 headlamp , A3 //// Acebeam L16 /// Massdrop (Lumintop) Brass EDC

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The attention to detail shows in the beam shots.  I have found that I really like working with the KD C8.  If you are looking for a host, they have a complete light for 10 bux with brass pill.  They have a good selection of reflectors for XM and XP emitters in smooth and LOP.  I actually like to run a de-domed XP-G2 with a LOP reflector so that there is some usable light outside of the pencil beam. 

Good focus and good work in general, keep up the good work.

EDC rotation:
FW1A, LH351D 4000k (second favorite)
FW3A, LH351D 3500k
FW3A, SST20 FD2 4000k
FW3A, Nichia 4000k sw40 r9080 (favorite light!)
FW3A, Cree XP-L Hi 5A3
Emisar D4V2, SST20 4000k
S2+, XM-L2 T6 4C

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Thanks for the info matt, have plenty of C8’s ATM but I will keep those in mind. Right now I have plans to put a dedomed XP-G2 S2 2B in my XinTD V5 C8 with FET and guppydrv , already got the spring bypass done on the tail end and waiting on parts. I think it will give me a heck of a throw, although I don’t know what kind of spill I will get with it.

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Maxtoch M24 Sniper / Maxtoch 2X Shooter (2016 factory dedomed) , 2X - XHP 70.2 / Maxtoch Xsword / M1 Archer *** ### ThruNite // Archer 2A V3 / Ti4T / TN4A HI / TH10 / TH20 / C2 Mini / TC12 V2 / T01 /  , neutron 2C V3 , TC20 / Catapult V6 / TC15 / TC15 CE *** ###  Olight // H2R Nova , S10R III / S30R III / H1 Nova / H1 R Nova / X7 Marauder , PL Mini ,  M2R warrior //// Orca T11 / Nitecore EC20 / BLF A6 / Custom Convoy C8 / Lixada Triple 3800LM / Lixada 1000LM / LuxStone X30 / Manker E02 / Manker E14 II /  ### Thorfire /// PF03PF04 , Upgraded PF04 , C8 , S-50 ,  VG-10 , VG25 , C8s , BL30 , TK4A  , S1 , VG15 S  , TK 18 //// ##WowTac// A4 , A1 (original) , A2 headlamp , A3 //// Acebeam L16 /// Massdrop (Lumintop) Brass EDC

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A de-domed XP-G2 4C, yes I said 4C.  I like warm light, I maybe should have used a 3C since it is a bit yellow.

EDC rotation:
FW1A, LH351D 4000k (second favorite)
FW3A, LH351D 3500k
FW3A, SST20 FD2 4000k
FW3A, Nichia 4000k sw40 r9080 (favorite light!)
FW3A, Cree XP-L Hi 5A3
Emisar D4V2, SST20 4000k
S2+, XM-L2 T6 4C

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Warm is ok with some of my lights but in a thrower I prefer to have a neutral if I can end up with that, just my personal preference.

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Maxtoch M24 Sniper / Maxtoch 2X Shooter (2016 factory dedomed) , 2X - XHP 70.2 / Maxtoch Xsword / M1 Archer *** ### ThruNite // Archer 2A V3 / Ti4T / TN4A HI / TH10 / TH20 / C2 Mini / TC12 V2 / T01 /  , neutron 2C V3 , TC20 / Catapult V6 / TC15 / TC15 CE *** ###  Olight // H2R Nova , S10R III / S30R III / H1 Nova / H1 R Nova / X7 Marauder , PL Mini ,  M2R warrior //// Orca T11 / Nitecore EC20 / BLF A6 / Custom Convoy C8 / Lixada Triple 3800LM / Lixada 1000LM / LuxStone X30 / Manker E02 / Manker E14 II /  ### Thorfire /// PF03PF04 , Upgraded PF04 , C8 , S-50 ,  VG-10 , VG25 , C8s , BL30 , TK4A  , S1 , VG15 S  , TK 18 //// ##WowTac// A4 , A1 (original) , A2 headlamp , A3 //// Acebeam L16 /// Massdrop (Lumintop) Brass EDC

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Excellent work on these mods! Small Sun's can be a challenge - the quality and consistency is somewhat lacking, but it's all work-able. I bought a T43 for modding, but ended up a total disaster - not simple modding at all - stripped out the threading, etc.

I use purchased copper discs in various thickness's so try to work out the vertical spacing in advance but it's not always easy. Generally on the bigger lights that use 25 mm stock MCPCB's you are replacing 2.0 mm MCPCB's with 1.6 mm copper MCPCB's so you start out going in the wrong direction from where you want to be. I really like the 26 mm Maxtoch MCPCB's but they are costly, and still too thin.

I'll reflow the copper spacer to the MCPCB so it's one solid chunk of heat sink, which helps.

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Thanks Tom. I have a Zy-T43 in there with stripped threads too, hahaha…..the threads came out with the head when trying to take it apart so there it sits.

Thanks for the rest of the info also, I will be putting this in my knowledge bank for future reference.

You will have to let me know where to get those copper disk though , that would save about and hour of time trying to make one as I did.

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Maxtoch M24 Sniper / Maxtoch 2X Shooter (2016 factory dedomed) , 2X - XHP 70.2 / Maxtoch Xsword / M1 Archer *** ### ThruNite // Archer 2A V3 / Ti4T / TN4A HI / TH10 / TH20 / C2 Mini / TC12 V2 / T01 /  , neutron 2C V3 , TC20 / Catapult V6 / TC15 / TC15 CE *** ###  Olight // H2R Nova , S10R III / S30R III / H1 Nova / H1 R Nova / X7 Marauder , PL Mini ,  M2R warrior //// Orca T11 / Nitecore EC20 / BLF A6 / Custom Convoy C8 / Lixada Triple 3800LM / Lixada 1000LM / LuxStone X30 / Manker E02 / Manker E14 II /  ### Thorfire /// PF03PF04 , Upgraded PF04 , C8 , S-50 ,  VG-10 , VG25 , C8s , BL30 , TK4A  , S1 , VG15 S  , TK 18 //// ##WowTac// A4 , A1 (original) , A2 headlamp , A3 //// Acebeam L16 /// Massdrop (Lumintop) Brass EDC

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Great work, a couple of nice lights you have there.

I wish I had more open space nearby to let my throwers stretch their legs, all woods and hills around here.

I remember a time, when I searched for lights to fit my needs. Now I search for needs to fit my lights.

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Itinifni wrote:
Great work, a couple of nice lights you have there.

I wish I had more open space nearby to let my throwers stretch their legs, all woods and hills around here.

Thanks, we have a lot of woods around but also a lot of cattle/ranches also , so we have a good mix of both open and wooded.

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Maxtoch M24 Sniper / Maxtoch 2X Shooter (2016 factory dedomed) , 2X - XHP 70.2 / Maxtoch Xsword / M1 Archer *** ### ThruNite // Archer 2A V3 / Ti4T / TN4A HI / TH10 / TH20 / C2 Mini / TC12 V2 / T01 /  , neutron 2C V3 , TC20 / Catapult V6 / TC15 / TC15 CE *** ###  Olight // H2R Nova , S10R III / S30R III / H1 Nova / H1 R Nova / X7 Marauder , PL Mini ,  M2R warrior //// Orca T11 / Nitecore EC20 / BLF A6 / Custom Convoy C8 / Lixada Triple 3800LM / Lixada 1000LM / LuxStone X30 / Manker E02 / Manker E14 II /  ### Thorfire /// PF03PF04 , Upgraded PF04 , C8 , S-50 ,  VG-10 , VG25 , C8s , BL30 , TK4A  , S1 , VG15 S  , TK 18 //// ##WowTac// A4 , A1 (original) , A2 headlamp , A3 //// Acebeam L16 /// Massdrop (Lumintop) Brass EDC

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Very nice mods and thanks for showing us.

 

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Old-Lumens. Highly admired and cherished member of Budget Light Forum. 11.5.2011 - 20.12.16. RIP.

 

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Thanks MRsDNF and YW

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Maxtoch M24 Sniper / Maxtoch 2X Shooter (2016 factory dedomed) , 2X - XHP 70.2 / Maxtoch Xsword / M1 Archer *** ### ThruNite // Archer 2A V3 / Ti4T / TN4A HI / TH10 / TH20 / C2 Mini / TC12 V2 / T01 /  , neutron 2C V3 , TC20 / Catapult V6 / TC15 / TC15 CE *** ###  Olight // H2R Nova , S10R III / S30R III / H1 Nova / H1 R Nova / X7 Marauder , PL Mini ,  M2R warrior //// Orca T11 / Nitecore EC20 / BLF A6 / Custom Convoy C8 / Lixada Triple 3800LM / Lixada 1000LM / LuxStone X30 / Manker E02 / Manker E14 II /  ### Thorfire /// PF03PF04 , Upgraded PF04 , C8 , S-50 ,  VG-10 , VG25 , C8s , BL30 , TK4A  , S1 , VG15 S  , TK 18 //// ##WowTac// A4 , A1 (original) , A2 headlamp , A3 //// Acebeam L16 /// Massdrop (Lumintop) Brass EDC

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Nice work. Simple, yet effective is my style Smile

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Thanks Lotus_Darkrose yes simple is definitely the eaisiest way to do things usually and my preferred method also.

Click any link to see MY REVIEWS:

Maxtoch M24 Sniper / Maxtoch 2X Shooter (2016 factory dedomed) , 2X - XHP 70.2 / Maxtoch Xsword / M1 Archer *** ### ThruNite // Archer 2A V3 / Ti4T / TN4A HI / TH10 / TH20 / C2 Mini / TC12 V2 / T01 /  , neutron 2C V3 , TC20 / Catapult V6 / TC15 / TC15 CE *** ###  Olight // H2R Nova , S10R III / S30R III / H1 Nova / H1 R Nova / X7 Marauder , PL Mini ,  M2R warrior //// Orca T11 / Nitecore EC20 / BLF A6 / Custom Convoy C8 / Lixada Triple 3800LM / Lixada 1000LM / LuxStone X30 / Manker E02 / Manker E14 II /  ### Thorfire /// PF03PF04 , Upgraded PF04 , C8 , S-50 ,  VG-10 , VG25 , C8s , BL30 , TK4A  , S1 , VG15 S  , TK 18 //// ##WowTac// A4 , A1 (original) , A2 headlamp , A3 //// Acebeam L16 /// Massdrop (Lumintop) Brass EDC