UPDATED: H4 (HB2/9003) Car headlight XM-L2 - quick review inc 7" round lamp

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UPDATED: H4 (HB2/9003) Car headlight XM-L2 - quick review inc 7" round lamp

Thought I’d give these LED car headlights a try. Bit of a minefield buying them, all the usual Chinese lies and bad descriptions, but eventually found some on Amazon. These were listed as Cree MK-R, but the pictures obviously showed XM-L2’s.

So I decided to take a punt. They are about double the cost of high output halogen options.

I opted for these specifically because I wanted a good beam profile and cutoff. And the COB variants and such just didn’t inspire confidence that they would be an good.

I fitted them to my 1999 Subaru Impreza Turbo. They use a clear lens and a shaped reflector with a scatter guard.

Installation is pretty easy, although the fan unit makes the bulbs bigger behind the light unit and makes fitting the retaining clip a little harder. I also had to leave off the rubber dust covers from the back of the headlight, although I could adapt them to make them fit.

Here is a first comparison. The LED is rated at 6000k, which is a little cool for my tastes. The halogen is an Osram Nightbreaker.

My biggest concern was beam profile and cutoff. I’m not someone who would want lights glaring and blinding other cars. Which is a prime reason why I didn’t opt for a HID kit.

However in these lamps the cut off with the LED is superb. And is no worse than the halogen, as you can clearly see in this picture.

Yes the tint is very white of the LED. For my flashlights I much prefer 4000-5000k. But it seemed impossible to find LED headlight bulbs in this range. That said, it is just cool white rather than blue and much nicer than the 6000k HIDs that I’ve seen.

I was suitably impressed that I went ahead and fitted the other side.

Low:

High:

With the Osram Nightbreakers the low beam was always very patchy, lots of shadows and dark spots. This is probably due to the actual lamp as much as anything. But with the Nightbreakers it was worse. The LEDs haven’t illuminated this, but they are massively improved. The low beam has a much more even illumination.

And the high beam is very very good. Lights up way more up close and at distance than the halogens did. My biggest gripe with the Nightbreakers was the colour shift on Main (high) beam. They have a part painted blue glass. Low they were nice, high beam made them a horrible muddy colour and bleached the colour from what you were looking at. The LEDs might be a more brilliant white, but it’s actually a nicer beam on high. I’m still a tint convert, but I’ll happily use 6000k bulbs for the improvement in lighting.

Yesterday morning was foggy, so I got to try them in the fog. And I don’t know why or how, but the LEDs caused a lot less haze than halogens do and simply cut through the fog better. This was hugely clear to see when comparing to other cars on the road with halogen lights.

I’m sure these lights aren’t perfect, and are currently more pricey than halogen or HID options. But they are still affordable. And I can’t comment on durability. But as of now they certainly get the thumbs up and a very big positive improvement in my Impreza’s lights. And having not been flashed once by oncoming traffic. Have been and stood in front of the vehicle with the lights on and checked the beam cut off. This improvement seems to be at no cost to anyone else, with no glare or dazzling of other cars.

Low cutoff:

High cutoff:

UPDATE:

Ok, so I was so impressed with the performance of these bulbs, I bought a 2nd set for my 1979 Land Rover Series III. It uses the fairly common 7” round headlight unit.

It currently runs Wipac aftermarket lenses and stock 55w/65w halogen H4 bulbs (in itself a big step up from the sealed beam units that were factory fitted).

Removal of old units. These lamps sit in bowls, not loads of room back there. Hoping there is enough air flow too.

First hurdle, the LED bulbs seem to have slightly larger flanges and don’t sit in the recesses fully.

Quick bit of trimming with a pocket knife and they fitted a treat.

Almost impossible to tell they are in there with the lamp off.

No other fitment issues noticed.

I did take some pics of the units working outside of the housings. Dip/low beam uses the two leds under the little sheilds.

While main/high beam uses all 4 LEDs. The big advantage here is, you don’t loose the low beam profile like you do with a halogen H4, which doesn’t illuminate both elements at once.

Low beam cut off, it looks better in the pic than maybe it is in real life (wall shot to follow later on). It certainly isn’t bad, but maybe not as good as the Impreza’s. These lamps uses a smooth reflector and a focused lens to generate the beam profile. So I don’t know if that makes a difference.

That said, the spill around the cut off is full of shadows and dim. And having gone and stood in front of the vehicle with the lights on, it produces very little glare. So as far as I can tell the beam profile is good and safe and not dazzling other traffic.

Main beam is very good.

If I had to make any observations with the 7” round lamps. These LED bulbs are still an upgrade and an improvement. But to a much lesser extent than they were in the Subaru. These Wipac units worked very well with stock bulbs and were probably better than the Subaru lamps, even with Nightbreakers fitted.

The LEDs seem less of a jump for the Land Rover, but still a good improvement. Although the beam pattern doesn’t seem any smoother with the LEDs.

Also oddly the tint seems less harsh cool white. I don’t know if this is just due to a different LED batch, or more likely the focusing lenses of these lamps have maybe caused a tint shift.

They still get the thumbs up from me however.

Low:

High:

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Edited by: Chicken Drumstick on 10/31/2016 - 19:00
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Need a wall shot to really see what the cutoff is like.

The low mode should be lower.

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Yup, a wall shot would be nice Smile
Also, could you give us the purchase link ?
I’d like to convert my motorcycle to LED

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Thank you very much for this review.  I ordered a set.  There is a very similar 80w version that have a one 4 die emitter on each side of the tower, but I chose this one you reviewed because I want lower power consumption and want to swap one led per side with warm while XM-L2's.

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The low mode should be lower.

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I had the same problem with my dual headlight kawasaki c14 until someone pointed out that the headlight stem unscrewed from the retaining plate, you remove the old head light and boot, unscrew the new light from the locking plate, install the plate into the socket and clamp it down. you can then slide the boot (hopefully) over the light stem and insert and screw(twist) lock the stem into the plate. here is a photo series that pretty much shows the steps. It really is easier than it looks,

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71tknWWS4EL.jpg

the lights that I used are here:

https://smile.amazon.com/Evitek-Headlight-Bulbs-Motorcycles-9003/dp/B017...

These work very well on my bike , never had anyone flash their lights at me, i did a white wall comparison and they appeared essential identical to the oem pattern.

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Xhp50 version doesn’t have the cutoff shield that hopefully works very well. Can’t wait to see a wall shot.

The low mode should be lower.

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leaftye wrote:
Xhp50 version doesn’t have the cutoff shield that hopefully works very well. Can’t wait to see a wall shot.

That picture clearly shows that it has one, and you also see the XHP50 :

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For those interested, and UK based, these are the ones I purchased:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01LER2PZ0/ref=pe_1909131_77697001_tnp_email...

Fast shipping in the UK. I did see some on Aliexpress, but didn’t want to wait weeks for delivery.

I will attempt to get a wall shot and post that, but sadly no walls near by easy to drive close too. So might not be until next week now. However I was very pleased with the cut off.

Since getting these I actually purchased another set, which I’ve just installed in some 7” round lamps on a Land Rover. But need to wait until it’s dark to see how they perform. So far the cut doesn’t look quite as good on these lamps with the LEDs, compared to the halogens. But I can’t really tell until the sun has gone down if they will adjust up ok or not. So it might be they are lamp sensitive. The 7” round lamps uses the lens for beam cut off and angle and don’t have scatter shields, so this might make all the difference.

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Chicken Drumstick wrote:
For those interested, and UK based, these are the ones I purchased: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01LER2PZ0/ref=pe_1909131_77697001_tnp_email... Fast shipping in the UK. I did see some on Aliexpress, but didn't want to wait weeks for delivery. I will attempt to get a wall shot and post that, but sadly no walls near by easy to drive close too. So might not be until next week now. However I was very pleased with the cut off. Since getting these I actually purchased another set, which I've just installed in some 7" round lamps on a Land Rover. But need to wait until it's dark to see how they perform. So far the cut doesn't look quite as good on these lamps with the LEDs, compared to the halogens. But I can't really tell until the sun has gone down if they will adjust up ok or not. So it might be they are lamp sensitive. The 7" round lamps uses the lens for beam cut off and angle and don't have scatter shields, so this might make all the difference.

Looking at your pics, it appears this is the model they sent you (looking at the box), but I see no low beam shielding in the pictures in this ad:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/272160525664?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

 

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Since i tried lots of those some tips:
- never evey buy COB based ones, youll fry them in no time, especialy the chips, they WILL start blinking in 2-3 weeks of moderate usage
- prepare to lube the fans regulary, and clean them every 10-15 days or so, if not they will fail on you in no time
- 2 x xml based ones arent sufficient, look for 3x or even 4x ones at least, they are also most durable

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Low beam cut off:

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Dude, your car has a dash remora! Nice pic of the cutoff on those lights…

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ReManG wrote:
Cool review, I think this fits well with BLF and with RMM bringing out his light bars, something BLF needs reviews on.

I would absolutely love some 4000K Headlamps out here in a dusty region…


Be aware that the 4000K option is just a yellow filter that slides on the LEDs to make it warmer…
But you always have the possibility of swapping the emitters ^^

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Cool review, I think this fits well with BLF and with RMM bringing out his light bars, something BLF needs reviews on.

I would absolutely love some 4000K Headlamps out here in a dusty region…


Be aware that the 4000K option is just a yellow filter that slides on the LEDs to make it warmer…
But you always have the possibility of swapping the emitters ^^

Oh yeah, I am only looking at some 4000K if it is that from the LED’s. The filters just block more light…

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Wow, I was always thinking like every single one of these LED-replacements were rubbish Smile

Good review!

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But is there any good option for H7 replacement? Question

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Updated the op with more photos and info on using these LED H4’s in 7” round lamps.

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UPDATE:

Ok, so I was so impressed with the performance of these bulbs, I bought a 2nd set for my 1979 Land Rover Series III. It uses the fairly common 7” round headlight unit.

It currently runs Wipac aftermarket lenses and stock 55w/65w halogen H4 bulbs (in itself a big step up from the sealed beam units that were factory fitted).

Removal of old units. These lamps sit in bowls, not loads of room back there. Hoping there is enough air flow too.

First hurdle, the LED bulbs seem to have slightly larger flanges and don’t sit in the recesses fully.

Quick bit of trimming with a pocket knife and they fitted a treat.

Almost impossible to tell they are in there with the lamp off.

No other fitment issues noticed.

I did take some pics of the units working outside of the housings. Dip/low beam uses the two leds under the little sheilds.

While main/high beam uses all 4 LEDs. The big advantage here is, you don’t loose the low beam profile like you do with a halogen H4, which doesn’t illuminate both elements at once.

Low beam cut off, it looks better in the pic than maybe it is in real life (wall shot to follow later on). It certainly isn’t bad, but maybe not as good as the Impreza’s. These lamps uses a smooth reflector and a focused lens to generate the beam profile. So I don’t know if that makes a difference.

That said, the spill around the cut off is full of shadows and dim. And having gone and stood in front of the vehicle with the lights on, it produces very little glare. So as far as I can tell the beam profile is good and safe and not dazzling other traffic.

Main beam is very good.

If I had to make any observations with the 7” round lamps. These LED bulbs are still an upgrade and an improvement. But to a much lesser extent than they were in the Subaru. These Wipac units worked very well with stock bulbs and were probably better than the Subaru lamps, even with Nightbreakers fitted.

The LEDs seem less of a jump for the Land Rover, but still a good improvement. Although the beam pattern doesn’t seem any smoother with the LEDs.

Also oddly the tint seems less harsh cool white. I don’t know if this is just due to a different LED batch, or more likely the focusing lenses of these lamps have maybe caused a tint shift.

They still get the thumbs up from me however.

Low:

High:

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Excellent report.  Thank you Chicken Drumstick.  I think this thread marks the beginning of real automotive LED headlight reviews and mods.  This has so needed to happen for a long time.  Thank you.

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Excellent report.  Thank you Chicken Drumstick.  I think this thread marks the beginning of real automotive LED headlight reviews and mods.  This has so needed to happen for a long time.  Thank you.

I agree, good stuff!

I recently ordered and tested a set of H7 bulbs with XHP-50.

It turns out they put about 40% less peak lux BUT the area for peak lux is much larger.

This was when comparing to Good incandescents. Lower quality, basic incans have somewhat the same lux.

So, I would assume these pack more power in lumens than regular bulbs. Too bad the tint was too blue to my taste.