Interest list for Armytek Wizard Pro with Nichia 144A

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Interest list for Armytek Wizard Pro with Nichia 144A

I reviewed the Wizard Pro and put 90 CRI 144A in it. Several people thought that’s a good idea and Armytek is considering producing them.

Here’s the interest list

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Link not working

how does it gets a quality beam not the “Spiegelei” color change?

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The Wizard has a TIR lens with built in diffusor. It should have an even tint with any possible LED.

Why don’t they just use an XHP-50.2 with high-cri? Seems more logical to me.
The Nichia requires a very special PCB to have good heatsinking. The djozz pcb used in the mod is not as good as a real DTP pcb.

Generelly I am interested though. I currently have a Wizard v1 with the XM-L2 high-cri and have been thinking of upgrading it with a XP-L2.

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Here’s a beamshot.

As to 144A vs high-cri Cree, I find Nichia usually just looks nicer, and the 144A in this optic is beautiful. Armytek uses their own MCPCBs, so there should be no issue with that for them, unlike us hobbyists.

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Link doesn’t work for me. What colour temp? Hmmm. Interesting…

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Fixed the link.

The color temperature I used and keep telling them to use is 4500K. Specifically, I suggested the NV4W144AR sm453 R9050.

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I like my tint to be below the black body line with a rosey hue to it. I’m not seeing any rosyness in that beamshot you posted. Do you see it in person?

For reference I like the tint to be right around where the Eagtac nichia is in this chart. How does the NV4L144AR sm453 R9050 compare?

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Not rosy, just a slightly creamy white.

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zak.wilson wrote:
Armytek uses their own MCPCBs, so there should be no issue with that for them, unlike us hobbyists.

The problem here is that this LED has only two solder contacts. 50% of the heat goes through each one. It requires a very special PCB and/or a very high quality dialectric to make a good PCB for this LED.

I wonder if Armytek realizes what they need to do here.

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A Wizard Pro driver won’t run it that hard. The XHP50 is 1700-1800 lumens OTF, which is doable, if a bit less efficient on a Djozz board with no direct thermal path at all.

We’re trying to make 1500 lumens here, not 5000.

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That was the idea but Armytek refused to do so. We (me and Chouster) wanted to order a small batch with the bezel pre installed so we can install any 144AM we want. AT, dropped my request. I think it’s more about secrecy.

- Clemence

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And yes, the dual thermal pad of 144AM is another thing to consider too. I think a better solution for us DIY-ers s to order a special bezel remover from Armytek. Freedom!! Party LOL

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Armytek posted this on Reddit today.

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Oh my oh my!!

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Wow, they’re fast

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Meh, E21A > 144A

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puglife2 wrote:
Meh, E21A > 144A

Can you explain the benefits of E21a being better than 144A?

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E21As have higher CRI and arguably nicer tint. Quad E21A has similar output to the 144A.

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I have a Virence Tiara, thats why I am asking.
I am curious about the beam profile. My Tiara is quite floody especially due to the spacing between e21a leds.
Maybe the 144A will have a tighter hotspot?

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The 144A with the original Armytek optic is more throwy than the Virence quad with any of the three Yajiamei honeycomb TIR options.

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Chatika vas Paus wrote:
Wow, they’re fast

You wanna know how fast? I asked them.
Armytek: “We hope next year”