Sony VTC6A 3000mah,will you choose it?

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Sony VTC6A 3000mah,will you choose it?

VTC6 upgrade version ,the super sony vtc6a 3000mah 30A discharge current

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if it not too more expensive than samsung 30Q, i will definitely buy

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Depending on the price. The ones out there like VTC5A, 30Q, regular VTC6 and LGHG2 are more than good enough for most applications.

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Depends on the price.
The VTC5A is already quite expensive, but they are the best high drain 18650.
So the VTC6A would be very interesting, but not if they’re more than $6 a piece.

..waiting for parts..

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Is there a review of this from HJK yet?

Hope it can be shipped to my country (at economy shipping rates)..

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Sony VTC6A 3000mah,will you choose it?

Would be wise to make a list of countries where you can actually deliver li-ion cells, just not to get our hopes up.

 

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I regularly use the VTC6 3150 mah in high drain lights and find it excellent. I also love a reasonably sized flat top that has a slightly raised positive which works in my Haikelite MT03II and MTO7S.
I really dont see the need for more amps unless its tests out better.
Now if it was 4.35V with 15A continuos and low internal resistance, Sony would be on to something.

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Pretty much no matter the price, I would take a couple. But only after seeing a review that I would trust, which would show it offering higher power than VTC5A.

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wstrachan wrote:
I regularly use the VTC6 3150 mah in high drain lights and find it excellent. I also love a reasonably sized flat top that has a slightly raised positive which works in my Haikelite MT03II and MTO7S.
I really dont see the need for more amps unless its tests out better.
It will have less voltage sag, so you can run those Haikelites on full output longer.
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Now if it was 4.35V with 15A continuous and low internal resistance, Sony would be on to something.
The VTC5A and the new VTC6A have very low internal resistance. That’s why there is little voltage sag.
But for 4.35 Volts you will need a special charger.

..waiting for parts..

Still looking for 5” parabolic reflector (for recoil light)

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BTW, found the following data:
http://enecrosse.ru/akkumulyatoryi/18650/sony-us18650vtc6-30a-3000-mah.html
Note that the name states VTC6, but specs don’t match. Instead they match that minimal info that Trisky provided.

On paper it seems to be pretty much the same as VTC6, except lower capacity and higher voltage at the end of discharge. Which may even out.
If it’s not better I don’t see the point.

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If they are shipped to Uruguay
Depending on the final price

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Are these for sale? The OP doesn’t actually say. If so, what’s the price? Also, are they New or Used or New-old-stock cells? And, what countries can you ship to? And what’s shipping cost?

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Jerommel wrote:
Depends on the price. The VTC5A is already quite expensive, but they are the best high drain 18650. So the VTC6A would be very interesting, but not if they're more than $6 a piece.

It's just a sample stage for the time being. I hope that a huge amount of production will be produced next year, and the price is favorable.

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DavidEF wrote:
Are these for sale? The OP doesn't actually say. If so, what's the price? Also, are they +New+ or +Used+ or +New-old-stock+ cells? And, what countries can you ship to? And what's shipping cost?

New and original batteries,but only some samples in stock

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Absolutely.. i upgraded all my 18650 to sony vtc5a and vtc6.. vtc6a is even better just like a vtc5a ( extra mah)..

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The biggest improvement with the vtc5A is the lower resistance and LESS HEAT!

If the vtc6A comes with lower resistance I would buy those if I need anymore high discharge cells.

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Shouldn’t it be called the Murata VTC6A?

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Sony Corp. said Wednesday it will complete the sale of its battery business to electronic parts maker Murata Manufacturing Co. on Sept. 1 [2017], having obtained the necessary approval from antitrust regulators.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/07/19/business/corporate-business...

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SubLGT wrote:
Shouldn’t it be called the Murata VTC6A?
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Sony Corp. said Wednesday it will complete the sale of its battery business to electronic parts maker Murata Manufacturing Co. on Sept. 1 [2017], having obtained the necessary approval from antitrust regulators.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/07/19/business/corporate-business...


Well, with a company name as recognizable as “Sony”, you don’t just throw the name away for something nobody has ever heard of. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if the name itself was the biggest selling point for the buyout. Panasonic bought the Fujitsu Eneloop business, apparently just to get ownership of the Eneloop name. Now they’re marketing their own Chinese NiMH cells under the “Eneloop” name. Facepalm

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Sirius9 wrote:
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Sony VTC6A 3000mah,will you choose it?
Would be wise to make a list of countries where you can actually deliver li-ion cells, just not to get our hopes up.

Totally agreed with u Smile

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I have two 4.35V chargers and really think it’s not such an issue separating 4.2V and 4.35V batteries. I have several sets of 4.35V 18650 D1 and E1 batteries I bought from MTN electronics that I run in xm-L2 lights like the Thrunite TN11SV2. With two of them in series, that Thrunite is VERY impressive.
I am starting to favor almost all of the Sony VTC offerings over say the Samsung 18650-30q. I just wish as I said above, a low internal resistance 18650 at 4.35V and somewhere over 10 amps would be a dream come true for me…

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The Sony VC7 is apparently available for purchase, and a VTC7 is rumored to arrive soon.

http://www.mountainprophet.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=955

At a 10A discharge, the VC7 will reach 3300mAh and 68 degC.

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SubLGT wrote:
The Sony VC7 is apparently available for purchase, and a VTC7 is rumored to arrive soon. http://www.mountainprophet.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=955 At a 10A discharge, the VC7 will reach 3300mAh and 68 degC.

 

we have some Vc7 in stock,   hope vtc7 will arrive soontongue-out

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wstrachan wrote:
I have two 4.35V chargers and really think it's not such an issue separating 4.2V and 4.35V batteries. I have several sets of 4.35V 18650 D1 and E1 batteries I bought from MTN electronics that I run in xm-L2 lights like the Thrunite TN11SV2. With two of them in series, that Thrunite is VERY impressive. I am starting to favor almost all of the Sony VTC offerings over say the Samsung 18650-30q. I just wish as I said above, a low internal resistance 18650 at 4.35V and somewhere over 10 amps would be a dream come true for me...

 

LG D1 and e1 is nice and cheap,but few battery is 4.35v

P=UI.  will have more power

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I’d be quite interested if HKJ tests show that it has a high drain performance at least equal to vtc5A. Then it’d be better because of the higher capacity.

So I’ll wait for his tests. Of course one must find a vendor that ships to his country, which is becoming increasingly difficult…

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Interested depending on price and shipping

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Is there a point where some of these high drain batteries might provide too much amperage for lights that use direct drive FETs?

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nquinn wrote:
Is there a point where some of these high drain batteries might provide too much amperage for lights that use direct drive FETs?

Yes.
You’ll need a REAL driver.

..waiting for parts..

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nquinn wrote:
Is there a point where some of these high drain batteries might provide too much amperage for lights that use direct drive FETs?

Well yes and no, depending on configuration of host, emitters, thermal path with cooling etc.
Due to new generation of emitters that have forward voltage less than 3.5V at 6A or more you will probably need current regulated driver. Member led4power have great solutions with his regulated linear constant current drivers with a configurable option of direct drive on “Turbo” for 3V emitters and in near future 6v and 12V as well.
For more information search for “LD-4 CC linear drivers”.

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Yes. I will choose vtc6a if the battery spec is same as vtc5a.. extra mah.

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So it seems between VTC6 and VTC5A in both IR and capacity; at very high currents a batter tradeoff than either of them. Definitely a very good cell, but since I have both VTC5A and VTC6, I see no need for this one. Especially that I don’t have any light that would draw 20A / cell. Let alone one that would do so continuously.

If I could afford only 1 high-current cell type, this would most likely be VTC6A.
If I was not constrained by budget, I would get VTC6 + VTC6A + VTC5A.
Well, I’m between and what I have now seems the best choice.

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