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I just stumbled over this:

https://www.banggood.com/Convoy-S9-XM-L2-580Lumens-4Modes-USB-Rechargeab...?

1,4A, 580lumens + strobe – not too god, but I like it anyway. I’m sure Simon will listen if we want a non-Strobe-Model Smile

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Quite an interesting design!

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At first I questioned the legitimacy of that, but I guess it’s for real. Simon has it listed in his Aliexpress store:

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Convoy-S9-flashlight-cree-xml2-...

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Long click for off… come on Simon, you can do better than that

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Long click for off… come on Simon, you can do better than that

Hm? I heard a few people grex about that. How would you turn it off w/o a long-press?

Me, I’d hate to have to cycle through all the modes (especially when I don’t want to ruin my night-vision) just to turn it off.

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Long click for off… come on Simon, you can do better than that

Hm? I heard a few people grex about that. How would you turn it off w/o a long-press?

Me, I’d hate to have to cycle through all the modes (especially when I don’t want to ruin my night-vision) just to turn it off.

Half-click vs full-click. I’m generally not a fan of lights which do the long-press off thing but it’s not a deal-breaker either.

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Long click for off… come on Simon, you can do better than that

Agreed, I’d much rather see click for off and hold to change modes instead of the other way around. Have an Armytek Prime C2 Pro and a UTorch UT01, and I definitely prefer the Amrytek’s UI, which uses the click for off, hold to change modes system.

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can someone talk Simon into Narsil firmware?

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Lexel wrote:
can someone talk Simon into Narsil firmware?

Can someone talk Simon into a forward clicky 18650 tube light with extra switch for mode change, single frequency strobe, and memory for all modes including strobe.
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Lexel wrote:
can someone talk Simon into Narsil firmware?
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X3 wrote:
Long click for off… come on Simon, you can do better than that

Hm? I heard a few people grex about that. How would you turn it off w/o a long-press?

Me, I’d hate to have to cycle through all the modes (especially when I don’t want to ruin my night-vision) just to turn it off.

Half-click vs full-click. I’m generally not a fan of lights which do the long-press off thing but it’s not a deal-breaker either.

On a side-clicky??

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Lightbringer wrote:
X3 wrote:
Long click for off… come on Simon, you can do better than that

Hm? I heard a few people grex about that. How would you turn it off w/o a long-press?

Me, I’d hate to have to cycle through all the modes (especially when I don’t want to ruin my night-vision) just to turn it off.

The setup used on this light is click to turn the light on, click to change modes, and long press to turn the light off. Double click activates strobe.

On their e-switch lights, Armytek (and I believe OLight as well) uses a click to turn on, hold (aka long press) to switch modes, and click to turn off. Armytek also has double click to moonlight, triple click to turbo, and I think 4 clicks to strobe.

I find the 2nd option more intuitive. Easier to quickly shut the light off. Not having to click multiple times to cycle modes makes it less likely to accidentally double click. And having strobe something other than double click makes it extremely hard to accidentally activate strobe.

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Lexel wrote:
Simon is now also listing his 20mm DTP stars again

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https://de.aliexpress.com/store/product/Free-shipping-20mm-1-6mm-copper-...

It also looks like Simon is also preparing to offer 7135×12 drivers. Currently listed at $666 though, lol.

Not sure how practical it would be in an S-series light, but should provide some nice oomph in a C8. Trying to stay competitive with the D1S maybe?

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Delta_V wrote:
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Simon is now also listing his 20mm DTP stars again

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https://de.aliexpress.com/store/product/Free-shipping-20mm-1-6mm-copper-...

It also looks like Simon is also preparing to offer 7135×12 drivers. Currently listed at $666 though, lol.

Not sure how practical it would be in an S-series light, but should provide some nice oomph in a C8. Trying to stay competitive with the D1S maybe?

to fit it in a C8 you would need to widen the driver retaining ring removing the threads to get to 22mm

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Somehow I missed the 22mm diameter. Now I’m confused. Even the L2 only uses a 20mm driver AFAIK. Not sure what this thing would be for.

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Somehow I missed the 22mm diameter. Now I’m confused. Even the L2 only uses a 20mm driver AFAIK. Not sure what this thing would be for.

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SoCalTiger wrote:
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X3 wrote:
Long click for off… come on Simon, you can do better than that

Hm? I heard a few people grex about that. How would you turn it off w/o a long-press?

Me, I’d hate to have to cycle through all the modes (especially when I don’t want to ruin my night-vision) just to turn it off.

Half-click vs full-click. I’m generally not a fan of lights which do the long-press off thing but it’s not a deal-breaker either.

On a side-clicky??

On my Olight S10 R III a single click from off turns on to the last used mode, and a single click from on turns the light off. A long press while on changes modes. Long press from off goes to moonlight, double-press from off or on goes to max, and triple-press for strobe.

I really like that UI, and I’d love to see it on more lights.

One of the nice things about it is that you can hand the light to anyone and they’ll be able turn it on and off without instructions.

The Utorch UT01 and Convoy S9 are ok, but if you hand them to someone who’s not familiar with them they’ll probably end up looping through the modes when they try to turn it off.

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L4M4 wrote:
1,4A, 580lumens + strobe – not too god, but I like it anyway. I’m sure Simon will listen if we want a non-Strobe-Model

I really wanted to like this light, but the combination of 580 lumen high mode, no moonlight mode, not especially useful thread on the tail cap and muggle-unfriendly (IMO) UI, I’m pretty underwhelmed. The best feature seems to be the choice of colour temperature.

However, Simon has already committed to changing the tail cap thread for the next batch, and everything apart from max output can be fixed in firmeware, so I’m hopeful that this light will turn into something really good eventually. Smile

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stephenk wrote:
Lexel wrote:
can someone talk Simon into Narsil firmware?
Can someone talk Simon into a forward clicky 18650 tube light with extra switch for mode change, single frequency strobe, and memory for all modes including strobe.

How many light painters are there on BLF? Enough to commission a BLF special?

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skinny_tie wrote:
stephenk wrote:
Lexel wrote:
can someone talk Simon into Narsil firmware?
Can someone talk Simon into a forward clicky 18650 tube light with extra switch for mode change, single frequency strobe, and memory for all modes including strobe.

How many light painters are there on BLF? Enough to commission a BLF special?


Not many on BLF, but plenty not on BLF. Thorfire TK15S with single frequency strobe (instead of two frequency) would be the ultimate budget light for light painting. Even better if it could come with Convoy’s choice of tints!
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L4M4 wrote:
1,4A, 580lumens + strobe – not too god, but I like it anyway. I’m sure Simon will listen if we want a non-Strobe-Model

I really wanted to like this light, but the combination of 580 lumen high mode, no moonlight mode, not especially useful thread on the tail cap and muggle-unfriendly (IMO) UI, I’m pretty underwhelmed. The best feature seems to be the choice of colour temperature.

However, Simon has already committed to changing the tail cap thread for the next batch, and everything apart from max output can be fixed in firmeware, so I’m hopeful that this light will turn into something really good eventually. Smile

Well, based on the 1.4A current, it seems this is using a 7135×4 driver, so the lumen output should be fixed by offering 7135×6 and 7135×8 configurations. Heck, those might already be available on request for all I know. Hopefully we can get an XP-L HI option as well.

Then the only remaining issue is the UI. If we can convince Simon to switch to an OLight/Armytek style UI, or even Narsil, this could be a winner.

This light with an XP-L HI, 7135×8, and improved UI could take the Zanflare F1’s place as the best budget light with built in charging.

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stephenk wrote:
Lexel wrote:
can someone talk Simon into Narsil firmware?
Can someone talk Simon into a forward clicky 18650 tube light with extra switch for mode change, single frequency strobe, and memory for all modes including strobe.

You monster Shocked

I hate dual switch lights. They’re just so annoying when you have to turn the light around for mode switching and vice versa for turning it off.
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I think we can all agree, that a UI with a side-clicky can be just awesome – Emisar D4.
The S9 with a FET driver, XP-L and this firmware… bought

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L4M4 wrote:
stephenk wrote:
Lexel wrote:
can someone talk Simon into Narsil firmware?
Can someone talk Simon into a forward clicky 18650 tube light with extra switch for mode change, single frequency strobe, and memory for all modes including strobe.

You monster Shocked

I hate dual switch lights. They’re just so annoying when you have to turn the light around for mode switching and vice versa for turning it off.
Convoy L4, L2 – The L4 now has a single-side-clicky-driver so the tail-swiutch is just a lock-out, and the L2 is a too good overall package

I think we can all agree, that a UI with a side-clicky can be just awesome – Emisar D4.
The S9 with a FET driver, XP-L and this firmware… bought

The problem is you ideally need two switches to be able to change modes on a forward clicky. Side switches for on/off aren’t great for light painters as they are located within the connectors between the flashlight and tool.
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May be, but how many people use theire lights for that?
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Aiming towards those people won’t sell a manufacturer any more lights.

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The Lumintop SD Mini uses a 22 mm driver, many others I've gotten and modded.

 

Long OFF's or long ON's -- ugh!!

 

Why not this:

From OFF:

click - last used mode

click&hold - lowest mode, keep holding to advance modes higher

 

From ON:

click - OFF

click&hold - advance modes, repeat quickly, advances modes lower

 

2X click from anywhere: max/turbo or strobe

 

Very similar to our NarsilM ramping, but using a fixed set of modes instead. Easily do-able in a ATtiny 13A, keeping the LVP features, etc.

 

114 mm is still too long for such a simple light. Dunno why he's goin with an XM-L2? XP-L2 or Luxeon V maybe? smile I'd love to see the internals - how the USB charging and switch is configured/wired, etc.

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Tom E wrote:

The Lumintop SD Mini uses a 22 mm driver, many others I’ve gotten and modded.


 


Long OFF’s or long ON’s — ugh!!


 


Why not this:


From OFF:


click – last used mode


click&hold – lowest mode, keep holding to advance modes higher


 


From ON:


click – OFF


click&hold – advance modes, repeat quickly, advances modes lower


 


2X click from anywhere: max/turbo or strobe


 


Very similar to our NarsilM ramping, but using a fixed set of modes instead. Easily do-able in a ATtiny 13A, keeping the LVP features, etc.


 


114 mm is still too long for such a simple light. Dunno why he’s goin with an XM-L2? XP-L2 or Luxeon V maybe? smile I’d love to see the internals – how the USB charging and switch is configured/wired, etc.

Yeah, this is basically what I’m hoping for. As far as the LED, yeah, not sure why the XM-L2. But I’d expect the XP-L HI to at least be available on request in the future. Just like you can order an M1 or M2 with XP-L HI even though it’s not listed on the store.

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I just placed an order for one from Simon - just too curious. No info on stock though - suspect it's not ready to ship based on BG's listing.

Weird the tail has an M6 screw hole??

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Tom E wrote:

The Lumintop SD Mini uses a 22 mm driver, many others I’ve gotten and modded.


 


Long OFF’s or long ON’s — ugh!!


 


Why not this:


From OFF:


click – last used mode


click&hold – lowest mode, keep holding to advance modes higher


 


From ON:


click – OFF


click&hold – advance modes, repeat quickly, advances modes lower


 


2X click from anywhere: max/turbo or strobe


 


Very similar to our NarsilM ramping, but using a fixed set of modes instead. Easily do-able in a ATtiny 13A, keeping the LVP features, etc.


 


114 mm is still too long for such a simple light. Dunno why he’s goin with an XM-L2? XP-L2 or Luxeon V maybe? smile I’d love to see the internals – how the USB charging and switch is configured/wired, etc.


So in two words : Olight UI
I’ve owned all their models since 2015 and even if I tried Nitecore, Klarus, Convoy, Thorfire, Sofirn, Skilhunt… Olight is my prefered UI.
The thing is, if you choose to do a long-press-to-cycle-modes UI, the modes have to cycle fast enough to not fall asleep waiting for the right one, and slow enough to avoid missing it… 0,5s between two modes is great IMHO

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Both the S9 and the new 22mm driver seem to be somewhat late stage prototypes, he even says in the s9 listing the the tail screw hole with be a different diameter in a next batch.

Would be interesting if the threads would lego with the S2+, as it looks like it was modeled over the S6

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K, looked at an S1A manual here: https://olightworld.com/index.php?route=product/download/download&did=21

Yes, very close to what I described, and yes - almost all implementations I've seen of press&hold to change modes are too slow. Also the feel and responsiveness of the switch makes a big difference. I have a couple Olight lights, but I would not call them "mod friendly", and set them aside. I though I also saw differences in the UI of Olight models as well, so that kind of bugged me.

This S1A UI if done well with a good switch and good timing sounds bout perfect though. Only thing missing is changing from cycling up and cycling down.

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