Rolling wave of High CRI Triple or single N219b, or stock Jetbeam RRT-01 Rotaries

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Rolling wave of High CRI Triple or single N219b, or stock Jetbeam RRT-01 Rotaries

FS Original Jetbeam RRT-01 NOS w short pocket clips, modded to Carclo Triple with choice of N219b High CRI.

Triple High CRI LED options $150 plus shipping:

  • Note the triples have a more uniform beam than the singles.

1. Triple N219b 3500k 9080

2. Triple N219b 4500k 9080.

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Single High CRI LED options, $120 plus shipping:

  • Note the singles have a ring in the spill of the beam.

3. Single N219b 3500k 9080 with the stock Orange Peel reflector and short clip.

4. Single N219b 4500k 9080 with the stock Orange Peel reflector and short clip.

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Single Low CRI LED option, $90 plus shipping:

  • Note the original has a ring in the outer spill of the beam.

5. Stock unmodified Original RRT-01 with short clip and Orange Peel reflector, NOS

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If interested, please send me a PM to discuss your preferences, and any questions.

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backstory
I have located a batch of Original RRT-01 and arranged to have half a dozen modded to High CRI triple for resale. If there is interest I will continue to offer these…

I have been EDCing an RRT-01 for a few months, modded to single N219b 4500k 9080. I am in love with the LED, and the UI. This week I started carrying a triple N219b 3500k 9080, and I love it in the evening, indoors, and as a nightstand light.

These lights accept UnProtected 18350, plus protected 16340, and CR123 Primaries. They produce about 350 lumens on 16340 and about 450 lumens on 18350. I really like the ability to smoothly ramp to super low levels, below anything I could do with any of my other lights, without ever using a clicky code. In fact, there is No Button to click!

This is the most KISS UI I have ever tried, even a muggle can do it!;-)

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three side by side beamshots, for color comparisons
The light in the middle is the Original RRT-01 body style, with short clip, and is the model being offered.
On the left is my EDC sample triple N219b 3500k 9080, middle is RRT-01 N219b 4500k 9080, right is a stock Eye10 XM-L 6000k

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This Set includes 10 lights, of which 7 are spoken for

there are 3 remaining lights available

If you PM me this weekend, you can choose the configuration:
1. triple 3500k
2. triple 4500k
3. single 3500k
4. single 4500k
5. unmodified.

some details about the difference between the Original model this thread is offering, and the new version RRT-01

Original has short clip, new has long clip
Original weighs 1 oz less
Original is not as fat
Original takes UnProtected 18350, new version accepts protected 18350
Original has no trit slots, new version has Yes trit slots.

I prefer the Original version RRT-01, which is why Im making them available.

Others are offering the new version, if you want a single LED, vinh is selling a number of different LED options. If you want a quadtrix with E17a, Clemence will probably offer that configuration, once he finishes testing the light. Contact them directly, Im not in charge of those offerings.

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This original RRT-01 has been discontinued since 2016 as far as I know. None NIB could be found anywhere for several years, it was difficult just to find a used one someone would be willing to let go of. This is a great opportunity to own a classic light that has to be ranked at the top of the 10 best EDC lights of all time, at least if I was ranking them Big Smile .
It’s a awesome 18350, short clip, easy to operate, lite weight, super low moonlight, and tough with the options for high cri and a triple.
Thanks jon_slider for offering possibly the last NIB original RRT-01’s around with great options. Thumbs Up

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Very Nice Thumbs Up

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Awesome, dropped you a PM.

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Update
replied to all PMs
8 out of 10 lights are firm interest
1 person on the fence

One more available in this set.

PM me how you want it built, and shipping address so I can get you a quote..

thank you all for the interest
Nobody is obligated, until you give me an address and accept the price with shipping, and then paypal me.

Estimated timeline
this week I hope to have all ship quotes
the lights will then go to the modder, and within a few weeks (2-3 is my guess)
modded lights will ship to your address

Im hoping that by next month at this time you will have your light in hand.

for those ordering stock lights, unmodified, I expect they will ship this coming week

Have a great weekend!

ps, I did some shipping calculations, Economy shipping costs are $12.20 to USA, $16 to Europe

I used this link, if you want to check other options, note the link uses Oz Dollars:
https://auspost.com.au/parcels-mail/calculate-postage-delivery-times/#/o...
I entered the weight as 0.5 Kilos, and I weighed my Eye10 in stock packaging and it came out to 180 grams, so the ship price would actually fit 2 lights, afaict…

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PM sent for your last available.

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This set of 10 lights is spoken for, but not everyone has paid yet

if anyone else wants one, I still have a day before I place the order, and can order more than 10, if there is interest,

or if someone decides not to commit, there may be one or two left

Please PM me if you want to order or have questions.

Thank you all for your interest and encouraging words

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some beamshots, iPhone, auto white balance, 8am overcast. This is to show beam shape, not tint or color temperature.

imho, the triple Carclo 10507 (narrow clear), has the best beam with the least artifacts or rings. The center IS brighter than the spill, but the transition is quite smooth. I really like the consistency and spread of the triple, useful for indoors and close range:

the single 219b has the most rings in the beam, and the tightest hotspot, it throws the most. I really like the small hotspot of the single 219b, but not the rings in the spill. I tolerate irregularities in the beam, though I wish they were not there, some of my use is very low light, and then I only see the hotspot, not the spill. Also, I am a whitewall hunter and very very picky. Some people would not notice these rings in actual use:

The stock XM-L has a larger hotspot, and some rings in the spill, less obvious than the single 219b. The stock XM-L is Low CRI, which is why I have my lights modded. Im all about High CRI:

My thoughts on LED choices and applications:
imho, the 4500k is the most versatile EDC. During the day it looks pink, at night it looks bright white. This is due to differences in the white balance of my brain, under different ambient color temperatures.

The 3500k is a beautiful warm color, I prefer it at night, and on the nightstand, at which time the 4500k is cooler white than necessary, imo.

bear in mind my bias is that I use 3000k incandescent in my home. Compared to incandescent the 3500k looks slightly “whiter”, as it is slightly cooler. The 4500k actually looks blue by comparison.

For these reasons, I EDC a single 4500k, and switch to the triple 3500k at night. A single LED is more efficient, imo. It takes half as many lumens to illuminate a small target, compared to a triple, which illuminates a larger target. Im not into efficiency though, I use rechargeables, and these Original RRT-01 accept 18350 (Unprotected only, the new model accepts protected, but its an ounce heavier, and its fatter, so I prefer the Original.)

I have not tried the 4500k in a triple, note to self, keep one for myself Wink

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Thanks Jon,

That triple looks great.

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Geuzzz wrote:
Thanks Jon,

That triple looks great.

glad you like it, I do too

we all owe a huge debt of gratitude to pinkpanda3310, who has agreed to build these lights for us.

Im also very grateful to everyone that is participating in this group buy project. It is my first experience organizing, and Im honored to have everyone’s trust.

will keep you all posted on progress.

here is how it broke out
5 stock
2 3500k triples
5 4500k triples

I will place the order for a total of 12 lights in this set, later today.

Anyone on the fence, this is Last Call.. speak now, or Peace!:-)

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Status
a total of 12 lights have been ordered and paid for
Optics, boards and LEDs have also been ordered.

The ship has sailed.
Thank you all for coming on board, forecast is for smooth sailing Smile

We should be docking for Shore Leave in about 10days, to begin modding and assembly.

This is a truly International Crew, LEDs coming from Andy Zhu in California, Lights flying across OZ, to be modded by pinkpanda3310, currently on 10 day leave in Japan, reservations organized by yours truly in Cali, with additional support from Msrs Noctigton and Carclo 10507 (with a bonus 10508 included at no added expense to you), from parts known.

Stay tuned for further updates and weather forecasts..

Anyone who missed the boat and is interested in catching the next Wave, PM me and I will start an interest list, and will update if another Cruise can be organized. There are potentially 50 berths available but presently no Master Modder has been enlisted. This round is being built with the generous support of pinkpanda, because he wanted to show some love to the BLF community, as he is working for peanuts. The man is an Artiste with a Big Heart!

I am very grateful to be on board with all of you.

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Thanks for everyone’s effort and Jonathan’s excellent communication!

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Those NOS models really do look great. Thanks for making this possible (I mean I missed out, but still)

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jon_slider wrote:
Status
a total of 12 lights have been ordered and paid for
Optics, boards and LEDs have also been ordered.

The ship has sailed.
Thank you all for coming on board, forecast is for smooth sailing Smile

We should be docking for Shore Leave in about 10days, to begin modding and assembly.

This is a truly International Crew, LEDs coming from Andy Zhu in California, Lights flying across OZ, to be modded by pinkpanda3310, currently on 10 day leave in Japan, reservations organized by yours truly in Cali, with additional support from Msrs Noctigton and Carclo 10507 (with a bonus 10508 included at no added expense to you), from parts known.

Stay tuned for further updates and weather forecasts..

Anyone who missed the boat and is interested in catching the next Wave, PM me and I will start an interest list, and will update if another Cruise can be organized. There are potentially 50 berths available but presently no Master Modder has been enlisted. This round is being built with the generous support of pinkpanda, because he wanted to show some love to the BLF community, as he is working for peanuts. The man is an Artiste with a Big Heart!

I am very grateful to be on board with all of you.

Great work jon Wink
As a happy owner of RRT01s, I know you’ll made many folks here happy too Wink Beer Beer Beer

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Thank you MascaratumB
it was you that inspired me to discover the RRT-01, after which I sold my HDS Rotary, because I prefer the RRT-01.

fwiw
Ive asked pinkpanda to add a glow ring to the tail, its not definite that will happen, but Im hopeful:
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self adhesive and removable, whats not to like?

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jon_slider wrote:
This round is being built with the generous support of pinkpanda, because he wanted to show some love to the BLF community, as he is working for peanuts. The man is an Artiste with a Big Heart!

Well done Jon & pinkpanda. Thumbs Up
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jon_slider wrote:
Thank you MascaratumB
it was you that inspired me to discover the RRT-01, after which I sold my HDS Rotary, because I prefer the RRT-01.

fwiw
Ive asked pinkpanda to add a glow ring to the tail, its not definite that will happen, but Im hopeful:
(pic is a link)

self adhesive and removable, whats not to like?

That would be great Jon. Thanks for trying.

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Hey you all. Since i’ve missed first wave i’d like to get on another one.
Please put me on the interest list for RRT-01 Triple 219B 4500K

Cheers folks!

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Theoretically wouldn’t the output be higher with the new RRT-01?

Either way, I’d like to be on the interest list for the triple if you ever make more

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interest list for RRT-01 Triple 219B 4500K

glad to help, if I can
will need to determine if pinkpanda is willing to build more, after this round is done..

Ozythemandias wrote:
Theoretically wouldn’t the output be higher with the new RRT-01?

Either way, I’d like to be on the interest list for the triple if you ever make more

Yes, I think the new model has higher driver current. Stay tuned for the offering from Clemence, he is testing a new model to be built with E17a quadrix and triple.

thanks for your possible interest in the Original model.. I will post here when a new batch is planned. Im happy to organize the build, there are many more Original RRT-01 available in stock form.. I just dont know yet if pinkpanda will be interested in the job again. He agreed to do this round more out of kindness than capitalism. Wink

Im also interested in promoting a batch of single LED Original RRT-01, converted to N219b, but there are rings in the beam that I have not yet figured out how to overcome. Im hoping someone with a lathe will take the project on. It entails a bit more than just an LED swap.

The triple that pinkpanda builds has a truly excellent beam imo, but a single throws more, and is more suited to outdoor distances. otoh, the triple makes a beautiful wall of light at close range. Both is better.. LOL

now the waiting begins Smile

I will post updates in this thread, and there will be photos when my sw45 triple arrives.. for now, enjoy an inspirational photo of my triple sw35 Wink

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fwiw, until I can organize another group

anyone interested can buy the stock light directly
this is the source:
http://www.aushunteronline.com.au/spotlights/torches-accessories/jetbeam…

and for anyone interested in N219b LEDs, contact
Andy Zhu
http://andyzhu.com/

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I would like to organize another batch of modded RRT-01, w single N219b.

I need a modder interested in doing the LED swaps

If anyone here wants to collaborate, please PM me.

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btw, just to show how picky I am about beam quality, one of the reasons Im not impressed with HDS is

rings in the beam

so, when I tell you the single LED mod to the RRT-01 has rings in the beam, it does, just like an HDS.. LOL!

tbh, the RRT-01 reflector is worse, has more rings:

I live with it, but, I wish I knew how to improve it

other trivia
for reference, the stock XM-L with 18350 gives 700 lumens, on my homebrew meter
I put a fresh 18350 into my triple 3500k and got 470 lumens, thats a 33% drop to gain High CRI
I put a fresh 18350 into my single 4500k RRT-01 and got 360 lumens, thats a 49% drop to gain High CRI

from which I infer that with 18350, the triple 3500k, despite having a less efficient LED is making 30% more lumens than the single 4500k.

for reference, the stock XM-L with 16340 gives 640 lumens, on my homebrew meter
I put a fresh 16340 into my triple 3500k and got 370 lumens, thats a 42% drop to gain High CRI
I put a fresh 16340 into my single 4500k RRT-01 and got 320 lumens, thats a 50% drop to gain High CRI

from which I infer that with 16340, the triple 3500k, despite having a less efficient LED is making 16% more lumens than the single 4500k.

fwiw, the single 4500k LED uses half as many lumens as the triple 3500k to illuminate its hotspot, because its a smaller area..

no wrong choices
more is more better

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Need to swap in a different reflector to get rid of the rings in the beam. And even then there may still be a slight ring at the edge due to reflection of the edge of the bezel.

I like the shape of the old RRT-01 better than the 2019 version. However, the 2019 version definitely has a better beam pattern.

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Firelight2 wrote:
Need to swap in a different reflector to get rid of the rings in the beam.

which reflector do we need, something from an early SPA Defense Novatac?

fwiw, there are 2 reflectors on Original RRT-01 and Eye10 lights, some are smooth, some are Orange peel
I only have Orange peel on mine.. they are not very good, they have rings in the beam, in fact, they look like the reflectors in the later issued Novatacs, that have visible rings at the base of the reflector surface itself, almost like a fresnel lens..

earlier novatacs had better reflectors, with tighter hotspots and no rings.

Firelight2 wrote:
the 2019 version definitely has a better beam pattern.

The new smooth reflector does seem to lack the rings present in the Original RRT-01 OP reflector
found these pics of the new version RRT-01 modded to 219c:
contactcr wrote:
Put a 219C in mine…


I agree the new model RRT-01 has a better reflector and better beam than the Original RRT-01 OP reflector

here is the beam of the Original stock Eye10 w XM-L (which I consider essentially identical to the Original RRT-01):

I can see concentric rings in the corona, that resemble the rings in the reflector pictured on the right in the group of 3 reflectors above. The rings get worse with the smaller N219b swap.

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I have a beat-up early run old version RRT-01. That light originally shipped with a smooth reflector. It had one of the ringiest beams I’ve ever seen. Absolutely horrible. The new 2019 version’s beam pattern looks perfect in comparison.

I recall at the time the old RRT-01 came out lots of other people complained about the bad beam pattern. Someone found an OP reflector on one of the big budget sites that fit with only slight modification. That reflector gives a fairly clean beam pattern. Unfortunately, I don’t recall which budget site I got the reflector at or what the correct size is.

I recall the Niteye Eye10 shipped from the start with an OP reflector which gave a better beam. I think later run early version RRT-01s were changed to an OP reflector and short clip.

I really love my TCR-01. Great light. But when it comes time to grab a light it feels awkward. I could grab the beautiful TCR-01 with 5A2 XPL HI installed and maybe 500 lumens output, or I could grab my modded Emisar D4 with 18500 tube, metal switch button, quad 95CRI 4000K SST20 and Lee 279 minus green filter.

Both lights are about the same size and feel great in the hand, but the Emisar has 6x the output, better CRI, better tint, more throw, and more flood.

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Firelight2 wrote:
I have a beat-up early run old version RRT-01. That light originally shipped with smooth reflector. It had one of the ringiest beams I’ve ever seen.

yes, so Ive heard
here are pics of the smooth reflectors
smooth reflectors:
you can see the “fresnel” rings at the bottom of the reflector in this pic:

here the rings dont show

Im also unimpressed with the OP reflectors that followed in the second run of Original RRT-01 and Eye10 that also have short pocket clips.

and fwiw, the TCR-1 also has the same smooth and OP reflectors used in second run RRT-01.. Im underwhelmed

part of the issue is not only the fresnel like rings in the OP reflector, there is also the fact that the base of the reflector has a rather large hole, to accomodate the larger XM die

the smaller N219 die is not well matched to the OP reflector in the second run Original RRT-01, that are the ones this Group Wave has obtained.

though although I like and want single N219b moddedf Original RRT-01.. the beam is a concern, until someone with beam tuning skills, possibly a lathe, or a source of better reflectors, enlightens us on how to improve the beam of Original RRT-01, especially when swapping to smaller die LEDs

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We should visit some of the budget sites and see if we can find a reflector that is a better match. Or maybe a single-emitter TIR.

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Are those HDS beam shots an older light that was modded to 219? The currently used reflector sits a little lower I think. My 219b HDS has no rings at all in the beam.

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We should visit some of the budget sites and see if we can find a reflector that is a better match. Or maybe a single-emitter TIR.

yes, Tir would solve the rings problem Im seeing with Original RRT-01 reflectors.

can Tir give as small a hotspot as a reflector?

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Are those HDS beam shots an older light that was modded to 219? The currently used reflector sits a little lower I think. My 219b HDS has no rings at all in the beam.

glad youre happy with the beam. Im a lot pickier than most

the light on the right is hogos High Noon, same reflector you have
the light on the left is the older reflector. Both have the darker ring in the outer spill

most people do not notice those HDS rings in actual use. I do, only because I know they are there. Im a whitewall hunter. Most of the time when I use a reflector, Im focusing on the hotspot, not the outer spill. And in common use, irregularities in the spill are hidden by terrain and distance variations, unless your common use includes whitewall hunting Wink

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I have swaped emitter in my new RRT-01 but i’ve also remove centering ring. That way reflector droped down a bit (the thicknes of that ring) and all rings went away.
The only thing i had to do extra is to apply thermal adhesive, electrical non conductive to the emitter contacts to avoid shorting to the reflector.
If someone would be so kind to post a few photos of an old rrt inards that would be great.
Swapping emitters in single mods are not a problem but making triples is a bit challenging since you have to grind MCPCB and maybe bezel to accomodate optic and MCPCB.

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