[M4D deal ACTIVE] LiitoKala Lii-500S groupbuy

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Glad I was directed to this thread, I was wanting/needing another Lii 500 and it looks like the Lii 500S will be it. Thumbs Up

Personally, I greatly prefer & use my Lii 500’s much more than my Opus; which is ‘optimistic’ in it’s discharge capacity measurements.

Both are good, I just totally prefer the Liitokala.

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I should NOT have said last post!!! My bad,,,,,,,,,,,Forgive me,,,,,,,,It is my 59th Birthday[Last year in my 50’s! ]today,,,a beautiful day, not a cloud in the sky and was 47F when I got up,,,going up to 70F Thumbs Up

Freedom of choice is Great isn’t it? Wink The price is right for the Liitokala,,,,,WHY one would prefer to press ALL those buttons for info is beyond me,,,I guess they have more time than me and are not interested in documenting the results in a simple manner[One Photo]

I GREATLY prefer looking at ALL the info at once which I already explained in post # 24! Also it charges EVERY battery[except very old ones] to 4.20V and is relatively accurate in comparison to HKJ’s results,,,,,,,,average about 3% higher.

I TOTALLY prefer the Opus for reasons stated and many more!!! lol!

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Freedom of choice is Great isn’t it? Wink
Yes it is!! I 100% agree… Thumbs Up

But maybe this sale thread is not the best place to discuss all those choices in depth over & over again. Wink ymmv

HAPPY BIRTHDAY also wolfdog!!! Beer

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Oh yeah… don’t forget all the problems with the Opus that had to be solved. (by you & several of us)

Liitikala Lii500 or Lii500S for the win!!! Beer Party Love Crown Thumbs Up

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Get more accurate results but you must press 4 buttons

Or …

Press no button but get inaccurate results

Pick your poison kind of thing?

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Yeah… to me pushing a button is pretty easy. Since I log (write down) the results one at a time anyway… I much prefer reading & seeing the results for each bay separately. It cuts down on confusion for me.

‘My Opus’ is less accurate than my LII 500’s. Others may or may not find this to be so with theirs.

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So who is the judge as to which one is more accurate?? Let us NOT forget that ALL of these chargers can show slight inconsistency from Charger to charger.That goes for Liitokala and Opus and whatever,,,none are exactly the same.

I had **KING OPUS that was consistently within 3% of HKJ and Numerous times LESS than 1% difference and several times less than 0.1% from HKJ,,,,,,,,,It is all in the Opus threads on here and CPF.**PRINCE Opus is what I have had for 2 years now. It RARELY is more than 3% higher than HKJ,,,,,,,,Good enough for me and to each his own.

Lets NOT FORGET that besides the button pushing, the Liitokala will take TWICE as long to discharge! [500mah VS 1000mAh for Opus] Silly 90% plus of my batteries are 18650 and 26650

I already know what teacher is going to say!! His Liitokala is more accurate than his Opus!….Maybe so, he did not have King or Prince Opus!!! Wink

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Thanks for the Birthday wishes Teacher.

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wolfdog1226 wrote:
Freedom of choice is Great isn’t it? Wink
Yes it is!! I 100% agree… Thumbs Up

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WalkIntoTheLight wrote:
I use the 300mA setting for very old NiMH AA cells. Anything faster than that, and their high internal resistance causes the charge to terminate early.

Agreed, but I’ve also found that going too slow causes problems with failed Delta-V termination, at least on my BC-700. 300mAh is useful, whereas 200mAh is often too slow to ever terminate even on very old NiMH AAA’s. A balance must be found between premature and delayed termination.

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I also use it for AAA NiMH cells (though 500mA would probably do fine), and for 14500 lithum-ion (though again, 500mA is probably fine).

300mAh is a requirement for NiMH AAA’s, in my opinion. 500mA seems too fast unless the cells are nearly new. After all, that’s over 0.6C for a new 800mAh cell and even more for a worn one.

I suspect that few people that own these chargers use them for NiMH batteries, however. I still have a large collection of NiMH, but I suspect that people coming into battery-powered hobbies in the last decade have focused on Li-ion exclusively.

The Lii-500 doesn’t fully top off NiMH cells according to HKJ’s tests and my old BC-700 charger has more appropriate rates for that chemistry, so I use the Liitokala for Li-ion and the La Crosse for NiMH.

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leftdisconnected wrote:
WalkIntoTheLight wrote:
I use the 300mA setting for very old NiMH AA cells. Anything faster than that, and their high internal resistance causes the charge to terminate early.

Agreed, but I’ve also found that going too slow causes problems with failed Delta-V termination, at least on my BC-700. 300mAh is useful, whereas 200mAh is often too slow to ever terminate even on very old NiMH AAA’s. A balance must be found between premature and delayed termination.

Yes, I doubt the charger is using -dV to terminate my old NiMH cells. But they do eventually terminate, after putting about 2x more energy in them than they have in capacity. I suspect the charger must also terminate at some fixed voltage, if it doesn’t detect a -dV signal.

I do sometimes just remove the cells when I see the voltage has risen to about 1.55v. Since they old and worn-out anyway, I don’t really care if I’m damaging them by overcharging. I just like the fact that the old Li-500 charger has a 300mA setting so I can actually charge them.

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I really do like the display on this model but I have a ton of charges that fill this niche. Maybe I will pick one up later when they put them on sale without the power supply at the $15 to $16 range. I mean I like the display but I’m not going to look at it very long anyway. Great buy for those whom need a good charger though. I would buy it if I needed it.

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You see, charging NiMH cells is about as efficient as lithium-ion cells up to 70% capacity filled.
However, close to full, it goes down to around 60-70%.

0,5C is about the best current to charge any NiMH cells.
Low enough current not to produce too much heat, but high enough current to just produce enough heat for the charger to detect the voltage drop due to the heightened internal resistance.

Some chargers are very good about it, like my MiBoxer C4-12.

The Zanflare C4 wasn’t too good.

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

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Looks like they got rid of internal resistance.

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I was about to order one but the shipping was $14.16 to New York. That’s outrageous!

Edit: I just found an option to have it shipped Air Parcel Register for $1.30

Ordered!

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contactcr wrote:
Looks like they got rid of internal resistance.
Yup. It wasn’t very useful on this charger to begin with, so I’m not surprised they pulled it.
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/\ Amen…. Thumbs Up

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Why do some people feel they’re so special they have to continue to post the same thing over and over again in an unrelated thread? Like their opinion is gold and is more important than others…

Like beating a dead horse. Glad you got something that works for you and you like better, this is a group buy thread for a great charger at a great price, can we PLEASE stick to discussion of this charger???

Its like this in every thread he posts in! For someone who doesn’t have time to put 4 buttons they sure do have lots of time to post the same thing over and over again… Get a life man, glad your happy with the product you have and use, that’s great, but lots of people are happy with other stuff and don’t necessarily want to hear about your choices in every thread [not] on the subject. Talk about a time waster.

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atbglenn wrote:
I was about to order one but the shipping was $14.16 to New York. That’s outrageous!

Edit: I just found an option to have it shipped Air Parcel Register for $1.30

Ordered!

Yeah, it seems the most expensive shipping pops up as the ‘default’ now… it was $13.65 to Alabama. Facepalm

Of course I quickly found the cheap0 option…. $1.30 just like yours Theodore.. Wink

I guess they are hoping some people won’t take the time to change it…. Big Smile

Also, this time I had to add “+001” in front of my phone number to ba able to place the order. That has changed since the last time I ordered something.

Either way the order is placed. Thumbs Up

Hopefully it will ship close to the projected fulfillment date of 18 June. Wink

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atbglenn wrote:
I was about to order one but the shipping was $14.16 to New York. That’s outrageous!

Edit: I just found an option to have it shipped Air Parcel Register for $1.30

Ordered!

Yeah, it seems the most expensive shipping pops up as the ‘default’ now… it was $13.65 to Alabama. Facepalm

Of course I quickly found the cheap0 option…. $1.30 just like yours Theodore.. Wink

I guess they are hoping some people won’t take the time to change it…. Big Smile

Also, this time I had to add “+001” in front of my phone number to ba able to place the order. That has changed since the last time I ordered something.

Either way the order is placed. Thumbs Up

Hopefully it will ship close to the projected fulfillment date of 18 June. Wink

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Huh, what happened here?

Why is he so angry?

And his grammar… isn’t good to say the least of it.

[sb56637 edit: The above refers to a screenshot that was later removed.]

Back on topic though, why did they remove the internal resistance checker? Was it inaccurate?

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

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BlueSwordM wrote:
Was it inaccurate?
To put it mildly, yes. Smile

I believe there is a DIY fix for it, though. Link to fix: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/59346

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The issue has been corrected so out of respect for everyone else I removed the screenshot. Thank you SB

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teacher wrote:
atbglenn wrote:
I was about to order one but the shipping was $14.16 to New York. That’s outrageous!

Edit: I just found an option to have it shipped Air Parcel Register for $1.30

Ordered!

Yeah, it seems the most expensive shipping pops up as the ‘default’ now… it was $13.65 to Alabama. Facepalm

Of course I quickly found the cheap0 option…. $1.30 just like yours Theodore.. Wink

I guess they are hoping some people won’t take the time to change it…. Big Smile

Also, this time I had to add “+001” in front of my phone number to ba able to place the order. That has changed since the last time I ordered something.

Either way the order is placed. Thumbs Up

Hopefully it will ship close to the projected fulfillment date of 18 June. Wink

I haven’t used to the name Theodore in years! It’s Beaver dammit!

I thought you’d get a kick out of that my friend!! Big Smile Big Smile I watched a couple of episodes this morning…. those were the days. Wink . Thumbs Up
Take care buddy….. Smile

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You too pal. I’ll call you soon my friend Smile

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You too pal. I’ll call you soon my friend Smile
TY…. looking forward to it. Beer

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BlueSwordM wrote:
Huh, what happened here?

Why is he so angry?

And his grammar… isn’t good to say the least of it.

[sb56637 edit: The above refers to a screenshot that was later removed.]

Back on topic though, why did they remove the internal resistance checker? Was it inaccurate?

Dang, Hope it wasn’t me. I’m offended that everyone is always offended about something. I bet someone owes me something for something. Now I’m angry. See how this works.

Just to stay on subject so I don’t get my face bit off. I really use my Lii-500 a lot. I have 2 of them. With the couple of added features on the new unit, it will make this a very popular charger especially for the price.

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No 300mA charging current (unlike old lii-500).

I ordered the 500S based on the information on the Liitokala website that indicated it did include the 300mA charging current option, like the old model. I later emailed Liitokala to ask if that information was correct, when I found the instruction manual and saw it did not say the 300mA option is available in the new model. The answer from Emily indicates they eliminated the 300mA option.

I was at first upset about the incorrect information on their website, until I realized that my 16340 cells have between 650 and 750mAH capacity, and my AAA cells have a minimum of 750. A 500mA charging current will be fine for those cells, and I’ll charge my 18650’s at 1A. The cell manufacturers say a quality cell will remain perfectly healthy and maintain its full number of charging cycles when charged at up to 0.8C in a quality charger, and even above that rate in most cases. I don’t think I need to worry, given that 500mA will be below 0.8C for my smallest cells, and I don’t re-charge my small cells often. And this charger has very good over-heating and over-charging protection, as well.

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500mA is about perfect for AAA NiMH cells.

However, for smaller lithium-ion cells(10440), it’s pushing it a bit.

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

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Warning: off-topic, but still relevant to BG purchases.

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Yeah, it seems the most expensive shipping pops up as the ‘default’ now… it was $13.65 to Alabama. Facepalm

Yea, I’ve noticed this new “behavior” just over the past week or two. It’s ridiculous and probably not even profitable, since it gives customers a shock when they see the checkout price and they may simply cancel the order out of annoyance.

I added a $12 item to my cart and the default shipping charge was over $14. Do they think that such a tactic will sell more products? I felt slightly angry and highly insulted, which I wouldn’t consider to be an effective business strategy.

This is hopefully a programming or configuration error, but if not then it’s just Banggood being Banggood.

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@ leftdisconnected

I know what you mean, when I first saw that I thought… “do they really think ‘we’ are that stupid”? Big Smile

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@ leftdisconnected

I know what you mean, when I first saw that I thought… “do they really think ‘we’ are that stupid”? Big Smile

I think they’re hoping we wouldn’t notice.

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The flip side is they probably have just as many newbies who order and expect their item in 2-3 days. In those cases defaulting to faster shipping would reduce a lot of customer service issues.

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