LiitoKala lii-500S - New HIT or ...?

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Barkuti wrote:

The Lii-500S can also be bought in AliExpress at an even lower price than the current one in Bangbad Banggood, or bundled with a vehicle ashtray plug adapter. With “free” tracked shipping.


 


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AE is where I purchased mine; the Liitokala website even links to their “official store” on AE for this charger. I ordered mine two days ago and according to the tracking number, it has already left China.

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I can't even read it enough to figure out where to change it to English. Facepalm

Thanks anyway Barkuti.... Beer

teacher, if not redirected by some locale cookie you should see a default non-localized AliExpress site Lii-500S search link with an omnipresent horizontal advertisement banner. If you are redirected click on a Go to Global Site (English) clickable element up right.

I can't say I like what you say. I like the classic internet of yesteryear when by default I could see dozens of items filling my screen. Now I have to use custom dpi settings, use reduced zoom (85%) in accessibility browser options and just say NO to @#$% auto-zoom options.

 

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1. When did you order yours?

2. Did you get it from Banggood??

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Glad you received yours….. Beer

Ordered May 31 from Banggood

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I see around $27 at Aliexpress. I payed less at Banggood Big Smile

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1. When did you order yours?

2. Did you get it from Banggood??

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Glad you received yours….. Beer

Ordered May 31 from Banggood
Thanks for the info. I ordered 5 June so maybe mine will get sent soon after restocking. Thumbs Up

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Review of one of the buyers with Aliexpress:

“The charger is not very suitable for charging AA and AAA Ni-Mh cells. There is a recharging of the cells and the triggering of the battery emergency valve. Tested on four AA NiMH manufactured by Duracell (2500 mAh) and two AAA manufactured by GP (1000 mAh), the charge was carried out with a current of 300 mA and pressure relief valves were activated on all of them. Charging 18650 batteries from various manufacturers is normal.”

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Mishanchik wrote:
Review of one of the buyers with Aliexpress:

“The charger is not very suitable for charging AA and AAA Ni-Mh cells. There is a recharging of the cells and the triggering of the battery emergency valve. Tested on four AA NiMH manufactured by Duracell (2500 mAh) and two AAA manufactured by GP (1000 mAh), the charge was carried out with a current of 300 mA and pressure relief valves were activated on all of them. Charging 18650 batteries from various manufacturers is normal.”


I thought this charger didn’t even offer a 300 mA charge rate.
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Hmm… I find that “AliExpress review” hard to believe. In other words, I’ll have to see it myself to believe it. Wink

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AliExpress is a very broad market, this means there are lots of know jack shit lads. By default AliExpress does not list the latest reviews, looks like they pick the most convenient. I recommend changing the “Sort by default” into “Sort by latest” at the left side drop down as a general rule, when you feel like that, etc. Their translator engine sucks, by the way. I also recommend paying attention to any additional feedback, this is because many folks write reviews upon receipt, which is bad. I take my time, you can be sure. And spank ass via going dispute if required no matter the amount of time and resources. If you don't, you are allowing yourselves to be looted or spoiled, so be sure to hammer the stake.

 

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Yeah, something is horribly off.

AliExpress’s translation are crap.

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

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I’ve bought a Lii-500 a few years after the HKJ’s review and I’ve compared the voltage termination of the Lii-500 with the voltage termination of a Lacrosse RS1020 and there were the same for different Nimh : Tronic Lidl and Eneloop.

Eneloops go higher than the Tronics (in the 2 chargers). I think Liitokala have corrected the problem Wink .

It’s a pity the Lii-500S have lost 300 mA charge. It was convenient for AAA NimH.

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Pete7874 wrote:
I thought this charger didn’t even offer a 300 mA charge rate.

Even LiitoKala isn’t helping here, since they appear to have marketing photos showing 300mA, such as HERE. If you scroll a few photos down, you’ll find THIS one, which apparently took the rates from the old 500 and slapped them onto the new one.

There is no 300mA, but someone should tell the manufacturer Wink .

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Yes it’s not very intelligent to show a photo with 300 mA and write below : Fast charging function with 4 selective current : 500mA*4 /700mA*4/1000mA*4 / 2000mA*2.

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Some people here ordered in May.
Sure some of you must have received it by now? No first impressions or a few tests/comparisons you want to share?

Anyway, I wish more manufacturers would use a built-in power supply. Nitecore’s been doing that for years now and I love it. I have way too many stupid wall warts lying around and they often occupy 2 wall outlets so you can’t plug in anything next to them.

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RapidLux wrote:
Now I understand why my Ikea Ladda AA 2450 mAh batteries last considerable shorter in my Logitech Mx Mouse, compared to using disposable batteries. Hope they fixed it with Lii-500S.

I don’t think that problem’s caused by the charger but by the fact that you’re using NiMH cells.
The mouse expects full batteries to be 1.5V while rechargeables are only 1.2V
So it “thinks” a full NiMH is already partly drained. I’ve seen many cases where devices will never display a full battery icon when using rechargeables and showing low battery warnings while in fact the battery has more than enough power left.
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Now I understand why my Ikea Ladda AA 2450 mAh batteries last considerable shorter in my Logitech Mx Mouse, compared to using disposable batteries. Hope they fixed it with Lii-500S.

Besides what Nisei said, which has sense to a certain point, I really can't find any reasonable explanation to what you experience. My Lii-500 charger does good filling up Ni-MH imho. And anyway I prefer for cells to be left at 90 - 95% instead of being over-charged, which is detrimental for lifespan.

Your mouse must use very little power. I don't see how this can be a concern. Very few alkaline cells actually display higher effective capacity to that of Ni-MH, but Ni-MH does self discharge. The Ikea Ladda 2450mAh are claimed to be self-discharge, but they're not the best in this regard and may self-discharge more than claimed. Classic high power Ni-MH cells self-discharge quite fast. Let's see a graph:

 

Here (probably) is the best alkaline cell tested by Henrik.

 

Of course, 0.1A could be considered “high drain” for an AA alkaline cell.

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https://youtu.be/lh_s5VPP_A0

Conclusions from this Russian-language review:

Negative:
1.18650 charges up to 4.25V!!!!!
2. Removed charge current 300mA
3. Removed the measurement of internal resistance
4. The screen after 15s goes into energy-saving mode and there is no information visible on it, you need to press the buttons to light up the screen.

Positive:
1.21700 support
2.2A charging current for 2 cells

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Mishanchik wrote:
https://youtu.be/lh_s5VPP_A0

Conclusions from this Russian-language review:

Negative:
1.18650 charges up to 4.25V!!!!!
2. Removed charge current 300mA
3. Removed the measurement of internal resistance
4. The screen after 15s goes into energy-saving mode and there is no information visible on it, you need to press the buttons to light up the screen.

  1. The overall user consciousness in these matters is lacking. The high charging voltage is probably partly motivated to show “correctly blown up” figures in the capacity tests. Even if not for everyone, take a peek here: DIY: Generic way to lower voltage termination on li-ion chargers.
  2. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (I also can't say I like it).
  3. The original Lii-500's implementation was botchy. I still prefer to have it as it lets me know if there is something wrong in the rail or cell contacts (rust, debris, etc.), yet I know what is going on and don't complain. Other users just complain and shite happens.
  4.  Like putting your canary housepet on a diet halving his seeds to save money. I really wish for they to stop with this endemic electronic bull$#%&@. Really. Flat Stare

 

I live with it but I hate my multimeter auto-power off feature. 

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Mishanchik wrote:
https://youtu.be/lh_s5VPP_A0

Conclusions from this Russian-language review:

Negative:
4. The screen after 15s goes into energy-saving mode and there is no information visible on it, you need to press the buttons to light up the screen.


Why is that a negative?
The channel LED color will show charging (red) or finished (green).
The screen doesn’t need to stay on all the time. Only when you put in a battery or when you need to check progress. You don’t sit down in front of your washing machine for 2 hours to see what’s going on either. Or do you? Wink
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In Lii-500 at any time it was possible to see indications on the display without pressing buttons. In all chargers Miboxer is done in the same way – information is visible at any time of the charge, only the screen backlight goes out.

I love passing by to look at the charge process. Who doesn’t need all this, he buys for $ 2 a charger with two bulbs – red and green.

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Mishanchik wrote:

I love passing by to look at the charge process. Who doesn’t need all this, he buys for $ 2 a charger with two bulbs - red and green.

Ball-busting stuff Mishanchik. Looks like LiitoKala is run by a gang of ball busters LoL. Big Smile

Jokes aside, it surprises me why certain decisions are taken (how the screen goes off for your viewing pleasure): https://youtu.be/OeqbAeqGn5E?t=399

Is there a need to save a ridiculous amount of power in a device meant to be plugged?

In any case, is there any sensical reason to deprive electronic devices from hidden switches or special menus meant to please advanced users by removing their retarded and restrictive annoyances? No need to tell me “warranty voided”, as far as I am concerned they could even stick the warranty paperwork up their arses at the very factory in exchange for all sorts of power user options. 

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Mishanchik wrote:
I love passing by to look at the charge process. Who doesn’t need all this, he buys for $ 2 a charger with two bulbs – red and green.

This charger displays info for 1 slot at a time. So without pressing a button you could never glance at the charge status of all 4 channels anyway.
Mind you, I’d rather had a choice for display on/off as well. Like I still wish I could turn off the backlight of my Maha MH-C9000. The damn thing lights up the whole room at night.
I’m not sure though if the 500S completely turns off the display or just the backlight. If it’s just the backlight it might be fixed by soldering the backlight to a terminal on the board that’s powered all the time.
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Nisei wrote:
… Like I still wish I could turn off the backlight of my Maha MH-C9000. The damn thing lights up the whole room at night.

Sure you can fix that, c'mon. With a piece of dark cardboard, a small glass cleaning cloth or something similar.

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Barkuti wrote:

Nisei wrote:
… Like I still wish I could turn off the backlight of my Maha MH-C9000. The damn thing lights up the whole room at night.

Sure you can fix that, c’mon. With a piece of dark cardboard, a small glass cleaning cloth or something similar.


I find touching a button to turn on the display far more elegant than having to cover the display with cardboard or a cloth to “turn it off”. Cool
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Nisei wrote:

I find touching a button to turn on the display far more elegant than having to cover the display with cardboard or a cloth to "turn it off". Cool

You like modding, don't you? I am sure that is an easy mod. If you take some good photographs of the C-9000's LCD control mainboard it is very very likely some backlight controlling MOSFET will be found. Cutting down its gate line and placing a small SPST switch or self-locking pushbutton in between gets the job done or should be so.

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You’re right Barkuti.
But my priority will be finding how the 500S is shutting down the display. I“m hoping it just turns off the backlight. Should be an easy fix.

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Barkuti wrote:

The Lii-500S can also be bought in AliExpress at an even lower price than the current one in Bangbad Banggood, or bundled with a vehicle ashtray plug adapter. With “free” tracked shipping.


 


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Thank you Barkuti. It’s a good reminder to read the full thread before buying 2 of them with the first code one reads:-) Your link is still cheaper.

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Couchmaster wrote:
Thank you Barkuti. It’s a good reminder to read the full thread before buying 2 of them with the first code one reads:-) Your link is still cheaper.

No this is still the best deal:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67412
$21.90 free shipping.
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Barkuti wrote:

Nisei wrote:
… Like I still wish I could turn off the backlight of my Maha MH-C9000. The damn thing lights up the whole room at night.

Sure you can fix that, c’mon. With a piece of dark cardboard, a small glass cleaning cloth or something similar.

That’s why I consider my Opus BT-3100 so far the best-designed of them all. Long press (5 sec) the ‘Display’ button if you want the backlight to be ON all the time, otherwise, it stays off YET the LCD screen shows ALL channels doing their thing all the time. Beautiful UI, I should say.

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Nisei wrote:
… my priority will be finding how the 500S is shutting down the display. I"m hoping it just turns off the backlight. Should be an easy fix.

Should be. The Lii-500's display backlight also works briefly, but as it is a classic passive LCD it has good visibility without backlight. On the other hand the new Lii-500S display looks nice, features a bigger screen with some senseless fancy graphics and stingy information for its size. If you are right the Lii-500S display will have an easy fix like this one meant for the Lii-500 (check Q35 with a gate voltage injecting resistor, I made it with 470Ω; the smaller the closer the brightness is to standard):

 

This is 

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