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Hello there! First post. I’ve read lots of older posts discussing this, but has technology moved on since 2017?

I’m looking for:

Very high CRI (92+)
Uniform beam with gentle falloff and no rings or holes
Zoom, or a 1-handed way of restricting the light to spot
Quick power adjustment – rotary dial is ideal but anything quick and fine-grained is OK.
SAFE! No unprotected batteries or chance of fire while bouncing around during travel (or perhaps I just worry too much?)
Ideally 5600K, but if the CRI is really good, I can change it with filters.

Previous suggestions were to mod a zoomie with a Nichia high CRI, use cinefoil to snoot a wider light like the Astrolux mf01, or get a Jaxman Z1. All get fairly close… but is there anything better now?

The purpose is to add accent light to small parts of photos – it’s not the main light, so it doesn’t need masses of power – maybe 1000 lm but more is welcome. Avoiding spill in the wrong places is as important as power in the right places.

An almost perfect device has recently been invented: the “Bitlighter, but at 12” it’s too long for me. I’m looking for closer to half the length, and don’t need its extended battery life (and would prefer a cheaper price tag!).

Thanks for any help or suggestions! Warm wishes, Dean

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Welcome to BLF!

I don’t have specific flashlights to recommend, but I have some questions that might lead to more suitable recommendations.

Will this be used for long-exposures? Will the light be in a fixed position or used with a ‘light painting’ technique?

You mentioned 5600K. Are you using strobes as main lights?

Is this for macro work, or more standard focal lengths?

What’s the distance between the flashlight and subject?

Would a speedlight with a snoot be more suitable? Do you prefer a flashlight because of size/cost/convenience or other reasons?

Most compact flashlights with one 18650 cell and one LED can sustain 1000 lumens for only a couple of minutes before heat becomes an issue. Most lights have a time or temperature-based ‘stepdown’ and the light will dim to protect itself.

Will you need the light to remain at a constant output for longer than a couple minutes? If you’re taking multiple photos, your exposures may be affected by a slowly dimming flashlight.

Do you already own any LED flashlights?

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Hi Goshdogit, thanks for the welcome!
The light will be on a “voice activated light stand” – i.e. an assistant!
It’s mainly for static shots, mainly indoors in industrial settings or offices. There will be some some long-time exposures, but using a time-stacking technique, so it only needs to be a bit brighter than the surroundings to work (i.e. hundreds of exposures in normal indoor light using with overlaying frames – only adding what gets lighter).
We will sometimes mix it with strobes – the 5600K is more because my brain can translate any light into 5600K, and we have every filter needed to tune 5600K into whatever we could meet or want. 3200K would work too, but it’ll look cheap under office fluoros without lots of extra filters, whereas 5600K still feels “classy” even if it doesn’t fit the ambient.
Not for macro – it’s normal focal lengths. Mostly as a separation light, but sometimes as a deliberately harsh spotlight in darker settings.
Distance normally 2-8m.
A speedlight or strobe would be far more suitable, but we’re currently working with engineers who only have iPhones, so no option for flashes. We’re using it to show how much you can do without studio gear or camera gear if you know what you’re doing.
We don’t need constant output for long – a couple of minutes is fine.
I’ve got Led Lenser P17 (original 220 lumen model) with unusable rings to the light at anything other than full spot or full flood. A couple of small zoomies to test – horrible colour makes them difficult to use (although with 1/4 CTO and 1/8 minusgreen gels it’s in the right ballpark, but still not what I’d want to use).

If you know a way to get rid of the orange fringe at the edge of the beam from aspheric lenses in zoomies, I’ll be super-keen to know! I plan to try slightly frosting the back of the lens with sandpaper to see if it helps at the cost of throw.
Thanks again for the questions! Dean

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Thanks, Armytek. Looks promising… incredible 10m drop resistance too! I hope I’m not still holding it when it falls that far. The beam is a bit floody for me at 70 degrees… a zoom is a key part of what I’m after, as it’s keeping light off things that lets me emphasise just the things it touches. I’d be back to wrapping it in cinefoil.

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Jaxman E2L high CRI version 5700K https://www.aliexpress.com/i/32812945810.html

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 I plan to try slightly frosting the back of the lens with sandpaper to see if it helps at the cost of throw.

I think slightly frosting the front of the lens wil be more likely to get the wanted result.
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Thanks djozz. In Australia we do most things upside down! I was copying the Bitlighter that seems to use an aspheric that’s frosted on the back (not certain… never held one). But if you think the front is better, I’ll try that.

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Thanks Max-Max. That ticks nearly all the boxes perfectly. Love the 5700K high CRI and decent power in a tiny, cheap flashlight. It doesn’t have a zoom, but at this price it would make sense to just get a couple and keep the cinefoil glued to one to snoot it down by hand.

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 I plan to try slightly frosting the back of the lens with sandpaper to see if it helps at the cost of throw.

I think slightly frosting the front of the lens wil be more likely to get the wanted result.

Scratch what I said. I just checked with two cheap zoomies with plastic lens, frosting one on the front, the other on the back. First, the frosting needs done very evenly because any unevenness in the frosting directly causes a flakey beam, and second: the beam unevennness is much worse with the front of the lens frosted than the back. But it does get rid of the orange edge and makes the edge softer in general. I suggest to do check how the frosting is with a already frosted film like DC-fix to keep the beam even, but you then have no control over the amount of frosting of course. I just got the best result using careful sanding with 1000 grit sandpaper on an acryl lens.
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Wow! Thanks, djozz for trashing two lenses to help answer a question. I really appreciate it. Just to clarify – it was frosting the back (nearest the LED) that got rid of the orange edge or frosting the front that got rid of it? I don’t mind unevenness within reason – it’s the colour that’s really bugging me. Making the edges softer is a very good thing for me.

Good idea regarding the film. I’ve got a Rosco swatch with every possible strength of diffusion and hadn’t even thought of using it. It’s designed to use against hot tungsten lights, but I may still keep the fire extinguisher handy just in case, though!

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Looks like that Bitlighter is another example of overpriced photo equipment. While it’s performance probably is worth it to a busy pro photographer, there sure is a healthy margin on the product..

Anyway, it seems they use a Nichia 144 emitter and a frosted (backside) aspheric lense with a short hood/snoot. This is a good and simple approach, so following their lead wouldn’t be a bad idea. The large LES (light emitting surface) of the 144 should help achieve smoother beam profiles.

I’d be curious how a large SunLike COB emitter would do with a frosted or dc-fix modded aspheric lense. I’m not sure if a larger or smaller diameter optic would be better, nor what focal length is better. My gut would steer me towards larger diameter and shorter FL – but really i don’t know. UF-1504 host maybe with a XHP35 driver and a GT-FC40 5000K 95CRI emitter? Should be good for ~1500lm @ 1.25A.

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Thanks, Jared. That’s impressive reverse-engineering. The curve on all the lenses I’ve seen suggests seriously short FL, but I don’t have a point of references for flashlights of what’s considered long or short. Would the FL be the distance of the lens to the emitter at full zoom? If so, large diameter and short FL would capture the most light, but I’m not sure of the effect of the dome or not on the emitters. I’m Googling the rest of your terms to try to keep up!

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I do a some photography with flashlights myself, but it’s a totally different type of photography. I have some photos in the link in my signature below, and a few in here too: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/40927

For me what is important is the width of the beam in full flood mode. Almost all of the zoomies I’ve found are too narrow for my purposes. I’ve only found one that is wide enough without requiring modifications to the body: https://www.fasttech.com/products/1601/10002775/1206500 This body can be found all over the place with different names.

However, I replace the driver with one of my own and also install different LEDs so I still modify them. This light gives a nice uniformed beam, but bare in mind that I’m not too concerned about the edge of the beam. This one does have a little shift on the edges.

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The Wuben TO50R is not the “ideal” light you are searching as it doesn’t have zoo, but it has 5000K 90CRI leds, it has 2800 lumens on max, floody beam with no artifacts, uses protected batteries, has different levels for brightness adjustment.

Not sure if it suits your needs, but maybe you can take a look Beer

[REVIEWS] ACEBEAM: H20 / TK16 // AMUTORCH: S3 / S3 vs 219c / AM30 / AX1 / VG10 // BLITZWOLF: BW-ET1 // BRINYTE: T28 // DQG: AA Slim Ti // FIREFLIES: ROT66 GEN II // HC-LIGHTS: SS AAA // KLARUS: XT1C // LIVARNOLUX: 314791 // LUMINTOP: Tool AA V2.0 + Tool 25 // NITEFOX: UT20 / ES10K / K3 // ODEPRO: KL52 / B108 // OLIGHT: M2R Warrior // ON THE ROAD: M1 / i3 / M3 Pro // ROVYVON: A2 + A5R / E300S / A8 // SKILHUNT: M150 / M200 // SOFIRN: SF14 + SP10A / SP32A / SP10B // WUBEN: TO10R / E05 / T70 / E10 / TO50R / E19 // XTAR: PB2 Charger // Tricks: 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6 / 7 / 8 // TIR: 1 / 2 // Others: Biscotti 3 + 1*7135 / Triple TIR w/ XP-G2 /// My Collection /// My Review's Blog (PT) /// OL Contest 2019 /// GIVEAWAY: 1 / 2

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MascaratumB wrote:
The Wuben TO50R is not the “ideal” light you are searching as it doesn’t have zoo, but it has 5000K 90CRI leds, it has 2800 lumens on max, floody beam with no artifacts, uses protected batteries, has different levels for brightness adjustment.

It looks good, and I see has optics available giving slightly more throw. The smooth beam pattern is perfect too. Thanks for the suggestion!

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dholland wrote:
MascaratumB wrote:
The Wuben TO50R is not the “ideal” light you are searching as it doesn’t have zoo, but it has 5000K 90CRI leds, it has 2800 lumens on max, floody beam with no artifacts, uses protected batteries, has different levels for brightness adjustment.

It looks good, and I see has optics available giving slightly more throw. The smooth beam pattern is perfect too. Thanks for the suggestion!


Taken from my review of the light:
Distance: + 50m

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[REVIEWS] ACEBEAM: H20 / TK16 // AMUTORCH: S3 / S3 vs 219c / AM30 / AX1 / VG10 // BLITZWOLF: BW-ET1 // BRINYTE: T28 // DQG: AA Slim Ti // FIREFLIES: ROT66 GEN II // HC-LIGHTS: SS AAA // KLARUS: XT1C // LIVARNOLUX: 314791 // LUMINTOP: Tool AA V2.0 + Tool 25 // NITEFOX: UT20 / ES10K / K3 // ODEPRO: KL52 / B108 // OLIGHT: M2R Warrior // ON THE ROAD: M1 / i3 / M3 Pro // ROVYVON: A2 + A5R / E300S / A8 // SKILHUNT: M150 / M200 // SOFIRN: SF14 + SP10A / SP32A / SP10B // WUBEN: TO10R / E05 / T70 / E10 / TO50R / E19 // XTAR: PB2 Charger // Tricks: 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6 / 7 / 8 // TIR: 1 / 2 // Others: Biscotti 3 + 1*7135 / Triple TIR w/ XP-G2 /// My Collection /// My Review's Blog (PT) /// OL Contest 2019 /// GIVEAWAY: 1 / 2

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Mike C wrote:
I do a some photography with flashlights myself, but it’s a totally different type of photography.

Hi Mike, nice pictures! How do you get the light so even along the length of the long tunnels? I love the shots with the ambient light streaming in mixed with flashlight, and the deep multi-exposure (3/27/17) is delicious! I wouldn’t be able to resist gelling the lights slightly blue and yellow from different directions, and it would probably end up looking like a disco.

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dholland wrote:
Hi Mike, nice pictures! How do you get the light so even along the length of the long tunnels?

Almost all of those photos are long exposure shots, so I’m either running around “painting” with the flashlight, or painting from a stationary position. For longer tunnels (that I’m not running around in) I start with widest zoom and then gradually zoom in. It usually takes a few shots before I get the “choreography” right.

dholland wrote:
I wouldn’t be able to resist gelling the lights slightly blue and yellow from different directions, and it would probably end up looking like a disco.

I’ve seen many photos similar to mine but with multiple colors. I think it’s very hard to get it right, most of them like you say end up looking like discos, and personally I don’t think that suites those kind of environments.

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and the deep multi-exposure (3/27/17) is delicious!

Thanks, but that one isn’t a multi-exposure shot, it’s a single exposure with a lot of running around Smile While switching locations I only use a dim headlamp and never point it in the direction of the camera.
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There is Jaxman Z1 zoomie with XHP50 Hi CRI (5000K, CRI 90)

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I normally use Klarus P20 on low setting to provide some extra light on the subject indoors during longer exposures. Nichia 219C and a smooth beam pattern.

Here’s one recent example:

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Maybe a noctigon meteor M43 with SST20 3000k high CRI. Then you can buy the carclo triple optics to control the beam from spot to super diffused floody. It can easily sustain 1000 lumens and uses a constant current driver with no pwm.

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Mike C wrote:
For longer tunnels (that I’m not running around in) I start with widest zoom and then gradually zoom in.

That’s clever!

Mike C wrote:
Thanks, but that one isn’t a multi-exposure shot, it’s a single exposure with a lot of running around Smile While switching locations I only use a dim headlamp and never point it in the direction of the camera.

Wow! Results are lovely. You’ve clearly spent a while perfecting your craft.

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Pete7874 wrote:
I normally use Klarus P20 on low setting to provide some extra light on the subject indoors during longer exposures. Nichia 219C and a smooth beam pattern.

Looks perfect for close-ups. Nice moody product shot!

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Pavlo wrote:
Maybe a noctigon meteor M43 with SST20 3000k high CRI. Then you can buy the carclo triple optics to control the beam from spot to super diffused floody.

Looks great and easy to control. Couldn’t swap the optics on a job though – a zoom would be easier.

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There is Jaxman Z1 zoomie with XHP50 Hi CRI (5000K, CRI 90)

From all the discussions, it’s looking like a strong contender with the back of its lens slightly frosted. Do you know if it’s easy to change its existing operating system to make the interface easier, and if there’s a slightly higher CRI emitter option?

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dholland wrote:
Thanks Max-Max. That ticks nearly all the boxes perfectly. Love the 5700K high CRI and decent power in a tiny, cheap flashlight. It doesn’t have a zoom, but at this price it would make sense to just get a couple and keep the cinefoil glued to one to snoot it down by hand.

I assume your “voice activated light stand” would provide a zoom capability i.e. feet.

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I assume your “voice activated light stand” would provide a zoom capability i.e. feet.

True! Using feet and using zoom give different lighting effects, though, and that’s what I want the zoom for – it’s not just the size of the beam. Getting close with feet increases the falloff of the light, so close things get massively brighter while distant things barely brighten at all. Hanging back and doing it with zoom makes the closer and distant things both increase in brightness. The camera amplifies this effect compared to what our eyes see, letting me choose from a huge range of looks just by changing the zoom and distance of the light. It lets me get expressive and change the relative brightness of things with one light. I can’t do that with a fixed beam.
Also, because light in nature nearly always comes from above, we’re often using poorly-placed balconies etc, so I can’t always choose my distance. I need an assistant with wings.
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Thanks, everyone – you’ve all been super-helpful with fabulous suggestions. Here’s the summary (assuming a zoomie), and a final question: which is easiest to get modded to perfection, or to mod for a person who has never wielded a soldering iron… ever:

Jaxman Z1 or UF-1504 each with a slightly frosted rear to their aspheric lens for smoothness and removing the coloured fringe. Maybe DC-fix to frost, maybe 1000-grit sandpaper and LOTS of care. Huge thanks to djozz and JaredM for confirming this, djozz even sacrificing gear to confirm it!

UF-1504 would need a substantial mod, and the suggestion is XHP35 driver and a GT-FC40 5000K 95CRI emitter.

Jaxman Z1 has 90 CRI, 5000K emitter available as off-the-shelf option – very close to target. Is there any easy upgrade to improve?

Looks like I’ll have to sacrifice the easy rotary UI for brightness. Can either the Jax Z1 or UF-1504 use Anduril or Ramping OS? I don’t see either on the list of build targets from Toykeeper http://toykeeper.net/torches/fsm/?C=M;O=D but I’m not sure if I’m reading it right (or reading the right thing!).

Huge thanks to Goshdogit, MaxMx, djozz (thanks for sacrificing lenses!), JaredM, MikeC (love the pictures), MacaratumB, samyy, Pete7874, Pavlo, and Mr.Scott for making me feel welcome and all the great input.

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It’s great to see so much activity in this thread! Kudos to everyone involved, including dholland for being so interactive with folks offering advice. Thumbs Up

A ramping UI would be great for your application. I love Andúril, but it requires a light with an electronic switch. Most other ramping UIs do too.

One exception is ‘Crescendo’ by ToyKeeper, which works with a simple on/off tailswitch instead of an e-switch. Here’s a video demonstrating it on another flashlight.

It seems like a zoomie would be great for you, and the Jaxman Z1 is well respected.

I’m not sure if the Z1’s driver could be reprogrammed with Crescendo, but swapping a replacement driver running Crescendo would only require basic tools and a few soldered connections.

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I’m not up to date with all the different firmware options and drivers these days, so others can chime in on that front.

I think the simplest option could be the Jaxman Z1, DC-Fixed lens, and Samsung LH351D in 5000K or 5700K. I’m sure with some patience and an hour or so of practice, you surely could handle an emitter swap. It’s just two wires and many folks here would be glad to help you along the way.

With minus green filters, Maukka has demonstrated impressive color rendering and tint from these Samsung emitters (5000k and 4000k). Djozz has tested the 5700K I believe, as he mentioned the results in the “what did you mod today” thread. Maybe he could post some screenshots of that here? Unlike most other emitters that decrease Duv (get less green/more pink) with increasing current, these actually get slightly more green the harder you run them, and most of their shift runs parallel to the BBL, increasing in CCT with drive current. This could actually be advantageous to you, comparatively.

I actually have a Z1 in like new condition that’s on my for sale or trade list. I could swap in an emitter for you if I had time to acquire one. I’d love to see how it works for you and iterate on some designs. Right now it’s got the stock 70CRI XPLHI.

PS: If there’s a need for 100+ degree flood beams, a second, compact light would be your best bet instead of trying to do it all with one light. Just use the same emitter in a wide angle triple/quad host like an FW3A or any other one on the growing list lights in this format. The few that grab my attention besides the FW3a are Emisar D4, Wuben T050R, and Jaxman E2L. The D4 might be my top suggestion of them all, balancing price, performance, and modularity. If you want a real powerhouse flood light, the Emisar D18 with the wide optic option would be really sweet (but ~$100). The good news is that you can EDC this second light, so it’s not just one-dimensional! Could be a good excuse to treat yourself to a nice torch Wink

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