[Review]Lumintop FW21 Pro - 10000lm destruction

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[Review]Lumintop FW21 Pro - 10000lm destruction
Lumintop FW21 Pro
 
This review was translated by my beloved girlfriend, she is good at this translation things, so I gave her a turn. Let's focus on that and take her lack of flashlight terminology with a grain of salt Wink


3 in 1 review. At the end there will be a summary for those who like only particulars, in each topic I will bold the key sentences for those who read a little more, and a long waffling for everyone else. Enjoy!

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For VERY large photos: click -> on the photo page right click -> "Open image in new tab"

 

I got this flashlight from Lumintop for review, they gave me a promo code for you:

15% Promotion Code: LMT2115
 

Table of Contents:

  • General parameters
    - Package content
    - Appearance, parameters
    - UI, runtime and charging
    - PWM
    - Waterproof
    - Light pattern, tint
    - Beamshots
    - Usage and my experiences
    - Gallery
    - Summary
 
 
General parameters

LED: 3x Cree XHP50.2
Lens: Aluminium OP reflector
Slide: AR-coated glass
Brightness: 10 000 lumens (my measurements show it's about 7596lm peak @1s, but it drops quickly)
Range: ~ 325m
Software: Anduril
The modes: ugh, it's pointless to rewrite it because it's an extensive UI: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/65241
Other functions: Battery status, beacon, several stroboscopes, candle light and other stuff
The battery: 1x 21700, unprotected, max. length 70.5mm, preferably high voltage ( it's not the best option in my opinion, but well...)
Controller: FET+7+1, low self-discharge of a switched off torch
Housing: Aluminium with hard anodisation
Switch: Electronic, back of flashlight
Water resistance: IP68
Weight: 120g without batteries
Dimensions: 40mm head x 102mm length x 28mm diameter

 
Package content


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In the package we got:
- Flashlight
- Plastic adapter for 18650
- 2 spare o-rings
- User manual and information on how to replace the battery

(optionally, a Samsung INR21700-30T battery can be purchased together with the flashlight)
I got a tactical rubber ring put on the cap to hold the torch like this:
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Supposedly in FW3A this ring was sliding down, but here is no such problem.

 

Appearance, parameters

 

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I will not hesitate to point out at the very beginning that this is my favourite flashlight from the FW3A family. It differs a bit from the original idea of the FW3A, the EDC pocket flashlight, because it is the largest, but it is very bright for its still small size.

 

See for yourself, it is the biggest one, but still (for its brightness) small and compact.
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As for the construction, we have:

- Aluminium ring with gasket


- Slide with AR-coating


- 3 aluminium mini OP headlamps


- 3 XHP50.2 cool light emitting diodes on a copper substrate


- Controller and spring (thick, hard)


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- Adapter for 18650


- The threads in the tube are very well greased and the gaskets are thick, and you will feel a clear resistance when you turn them on (which is of course a pro)


- Cap and e-switch


- The ring I got in the set (I don't know if you can buy it, I didn't find such an option). The head is too heavy to operate the torch in this way and therefore the ring is unnecessary anyway.


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The lack of a cover in the set makes it necessary to buy one - the popular Convoy's holster from S2+ is ok for length, but too narrow in the head, while the one bigger than the Convoy is too long. If you have this small cover, it will barely fit, but it is not a solution in the long run.
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Ultimately, I would recommend looking for something like a cover from DM70, which is slightly wider (maybe 1cm in width) and higher (2-3cm) than that one from Convoy.

 

UI, runtime and charging

 

IU
Anduril, more details at http://budgetlightforum.com/node/65241.
Personally, I like this software a lot - of course it takes time to learn some basics, but then it becomes very practical and the user discovers how intuitive and friendly it is.

Runtime
It would depend on the battery. Let's test it on two models: a high-voltage Samsung 21700-30T with 3082mAh capacity measured by me and a second battery with much higher capacity- LG M50T with 4741mAh capacity.
We will start the test on High mode (max mode available without a double click) - I will not start with Turbo, full FET, no point for me.

30T
I will add the chart soon


M50T
I will add the chart soon


And now the first 2 minutes, so let's see how the brightness decreases from Turbo mode. The temperature sensor is calibrated and the temperature at which the brightness decreases is set to 55°C

You can clearly see that the flashlight is very hot and it will shine for about 15 seconds with full brightness. Maybe in the nighttime conditions, when it is cold, it will shine for 20 seconds. This is a natural feature of small and bright flashlights, no surprise. That's why there's such a big difference in brightness between the High mode, which is available in normal brightness boost, and the Turbo mode, which is available in a double click - the last one should only be used for a while.

 
 
PWM

 

Yes, visible at the lowest mode, at the brightness used for walking no longer visible.

 
 
Waterproof


IP68
I tested for 2 hours at 25cm depth, no leakage, so the test passed with flying colours
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Light pattern, tint


The colour is cool, which doesn't bother, because it makes it brighter and the brightness is a point of this model. The light is even and very wide. Tint shift can be noticed, but it is ok since it doesn't bother me in the field.

 

 

Beamshots

ISO200, t2s, f/3.5 sunlight white balance.

 

Firstly, the pictures showing how this forest looks like:
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The right pictures:

High mode, i.e. the maximum mode available in ramping, no double-click


Turbo Mode

This mode gives a lot of light, seriously. I'm impressed because the flashlight is quite small, but it heats up very fast.

Max brightness is 7596lm, but during this shot flashlight already decreased its brightness, so I assume it is about 7000lm. Still impressive.

Usage and my experiences



For me, this is a great flashlight, considering its price and brightness. In addition, it is equipped with Anduril software - more advanced but fun - which I liked a lot. Cool light may be a downside, but it gives the flashlight a brighter light.

Gallery

 

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Summary 

FW21 Pro is a flashlight with 3 XHP50.2 diodes and declared brightness of 10000lm. With the addition of relatively small dimensions, the WOW effect is guaranteed. In short, I recommend this torch to anyone who is craving for lumens at a reasonable price.


Pros:
+ High brightness
+ Relatively compact dimensions
+ IP68

Cons:
- Cool light can bother some people

 

About host - threads, knurling o-rings and so on
Rating: 10/10

About light - UI, tint and so on
Rating: 9/10


1 - very bad flashlight hurts to look at, terrible quality, not worth any (even very low) price
5 - average flashlight, at a reasonable price - for the average person "great". Or better flashlight, but overpriced
10 - flashlight meets all my expectations in a given category (e.g EDC, headlamp, thrower), it's durable and neatly made, perfect light tint, worth its (even slightly inflated) price - just pure perfect, so I doubt any light can get a 10 from me




I hope you enjoyed!



 

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Edited by: Mocarny on 08/24/2020 - 05:26
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Thank you Mocarny for the very detailed illustration. Enjoyed it.

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hgzhm: Welcome to BLF!

Mocarny: Thank you for your comprehensive and valuable review!

This amazing light is a huge bright spot in the flashlight world. I got three, and gave two to friends. But first, a lengthy sermon about using high modes for brief burst, and all of the other safety pointers, too.

Thanks again!

 

 

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Thank you guys! Smile

This light is indeed dangerous, I’d set it in the Muggle mode before giving it to somebody.

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Thank you Mocarny!

Sorry for my poor english.

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Thanks for the review Mocarny Smile
I always like your outdoor beamshots! It gives a good perspective of what the flashlight “does” in terms of illumination!
Keep up the good work Wink

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Thanks for the review…

When I gotten mine, I was thinking if something is wrong with mine at Max Ramp. Looks like it’s about the same, dim as yours in Max Ramp.

Anyone has any idea the default Max Ramp step for this FW21 Pro? 120/150???

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Hi Mocarny, thanks for the review and detailed pictures also please thank your girlfriend for the great translation.

I just received an e-mail from Illumn explaining that the FW21 Pro will be on sale for $55.96 on the 4th of July. The code will be “JULY4”. If you buy a battery or two it will probably be free shipping.

That seems like a great deal especially for US buyers (sorry Mocarny) probably will go fast.

I’m just not really a tail clicky guy or I would be all over this but I thought I should pass it on.

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LTC wrote:

When I gotten mine, I was thinking if something is wrong with mine at Max Ramp. Looks like it’s about the same, dim as yours in Max Ramp.

Noticed this on mine.

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CM2010 wrote:
LTC wrote:

When I gotten mine, I was thinking if something is wrong with mine at Max Ramp. Looks like it’s about the same, dim as yours in Max Ramp.

Noticed this on mine.


You can always change it, but I think it is well designed – don’t overheat so quickly. FW3A is set too high and there is pretty much no difference between max ramp and turbo

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So TK explained to me the max ramping is probably 130/150, but it also is probably only 2.8A, and that is why it is so dim.

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My E07 is close to 6A 2000+ Lumens which is a good amount for max ramp.

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Thanks for checking with TK.

Mocarny wrote:
So TK explained to me the max ramping is probably 130/150, but it also is probably only 2.8A, and that is why it is so dimm.
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Is there any way to program the time or thermal sensor?

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Is there any way to program the time or thermal sensor?

You can only program stepdown temperature, check the link to Anduril firmware in the UI section Smile

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great review i look forward getting my copy soon.

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This light is tempting and seems really floody, but between high and turbo modes well high just doesnt seem to have much throw or not enough for my preferences and turbo is kinda hot rod very soon?
I been looking for a smallish single or double cell flooder with good throw too, but it seems that I cant have it all in same light.

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Congratulations Mocarny, very good your review I ordered mine because of that. Thank you.

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Very good review Mocarny. Can you make a time graph on high celling. I am intersted to view if FW21Pro can sustain about 1000 lumens for longer times. I think FW21 will be great helmet light if it can.

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MoreLumens wrote:
This light is tempting and seems really floody, but between high and turbo modes well high just doesnt seem to have much throw or not enough for my preferences and turbo is kinda hot rod very soon?
I been looking for a smallish single or double cell flooder with good throw too, but it seems that I cant have it all in same light.

You can make the ream ceiling higher, it is probably 120/150 so you can increase it to 150.
And if you want slightly more turbo time, you can get copper FW21 Pro, it will be very heavy though.

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I ordered mine because of that. Thank you.

You won’t be disappointed, I bought a second one. Just remember to not unscrew the bezel, it is very easy to break leds this way.

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Can you make a time graph on high celling. I am intersted to view if FW21Pro can sustain about 1000 lumens for longer times.

Ok I will check it Wink

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great review and great light!

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Mocarny wrote:
MoreLumens wrote:
This light is tempting and seems really floody, but between high and turbo modes well high just doesnt seem to have much throw or not enough for my preferences and turbo is kinda hot rod very soon? I been looking for a smallish single or double cell flooder with good throw too, but it seems that I cant have it all in same light.
You can make the ream ceiling higher, it is probably 120/150 so you can increase it to 150. And if you want slightly more turbo time, you can get copper FW21 Pro, it will be very heavy though.

Yep and its kinda pricey too. Is that copper one with coating because Im not really fan of that smell? Usually they are not.

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Has anyone measured the difference in output between the 30T and 40T.

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It is probably not coated. And I love this smell! Sad that you dont…

I will do those measurements between 30T and LG M50T and update you with the results. In my opinion it is not worth to put a higher drain cell in it, cause you have pure turbo only for a moment, only with full charged battery.

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I have a 40T but I’m thinking if it’s worth it to get a 30T. I’m guessing it’ll only be about 5% difference but that’s just a guess. On the skylumen website 40T is recommended for best performance.

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If “Best performance” means “400lm more on fully charged battery on turbo @1s which is impossible to notice anyway” then I’m sure it is true. Wink
But I’m gonna use my M50T because of 5000mAh, instead of 3000mAh

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Thanks for the review, I bought one. I need to order battery as well: Samsung INR21700-30T 3000mAh – 35A or 40T 4000mAh, the price is almost the same at nkon. The latter is the better choice, right?

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hpapagaj wrote:
Thanks for the review, I bought one. I need to order battery as well: Samsung INR21700-30T 3000mAh - 35A or 40T 4000mAh, the price is almost the same at nkon. The latter is the better choice, right?

That depends on whether you want more run time or more peak amp draw performance.

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I’d choose more runtime, you won’t even notice max brightness difference

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is it safe to use a 10A 5000mah battery in this light?

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When ramping I noticed that there are two blinks. One at about 300lm and the second at the top of the ramp. I’m guessing the first one is 1× 7135 and the second is 8× 7135. Is this correct?

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