Cost of production in China????

I hate this origin discussion.
I mentioned things that can be bought in states but cant in china. Even if they are made in china, factories are closed and dont show china in any way - this is claster of special people with external management and US-experienced QC and etc.
BMW is making cars in russia - and they dont feel like lada. Because factory feels more like small piece of bavaria neither samara region.

You don’t f…k with Lada! That statement is what owners of much more expensive off roads vehicles(Hummer, Mercedes G, Defender etc.) realize when they meet Lada off road… Lada Niva has extreme off road capabilities and all that with only 1700 cc motor and it cost like 4 aluminum rims with tyres of lets say gmc hummer. We had 3 of them in my family.

Now bad side… Rust eats her(yes even new one) in very short time and you got to have tools and parts in a trunk for field repairs of very soft and low quality Russian parts, and spare lada niva or 2 for saving the first one that stuck in the mud cause no other stock off road vehicle will reach to it.
Most owners when they re tune(modd) it with domestic parts have extreme off road vehicle… Proper tuned Lada Niva is the only vehicle I would like to have for zombie apocalypse :smiley:

So very good car is destroyed by Russian cheap manufacturing parts. low QC, and low rust protection… I would buy new again(around 10 000 usd) if they ever overcome that “child illness” factory issues…

Probably even Chinese people would make it better with better care.

:smiley:
And front wings (not sure this is right word) are not removable without right angle grinder…
There are still some small old-style off-road winners available at the market. For example, suzuki jimny.

Yes I agree… Or Mercedes G and Defender as a good choice if you are good friend with Mr. Budget.
But as mentioned above even cheap lada or suzuky will have better off road capatibilities than them (they are heavy while Lada and Jimny ain’t so they are climbing like a goats)

My dream off roader is the Unimog.

Yes that is true beast. But it cost around 100 000 - 200 000$ if not more… And for example in some countries you can actually buy a good house for 50-80k $

Edit: Forgot that some guys are building off road vehicles(mercedes G,Daimler Steyr Puch) on unimog platform so you can actually build off road vehicle much cheaper if you are good in finding parts and at car modding :slight_smile:

Yes, very expensive and I would never own a new one but I have looked at some really old ones from the 60’s and 70’s that are a lot cheaper. Still too much money for a toy. Always though it would be a good idea for hospitals in heavy ice/snow prone areas to have one for transporting doctors and nurses in emergency situations.

Russia have special car for such areas:

(And yes, it is still in production)

Also from Russia, the Sherpa.

There have been talks about South America being new China. There wages are historically low, as well as cost of living and number of insured. Besides UAW shops, the pay rate for SKILLED factory work is more around $15. Lots of other factory work at $10 - $12.