It gets brighter on its own. Wonder if it is in some kind of test mode. Maybe Toykeeper might know?
[♛ FreemeGB] Fireflies PL47 Gen II 4*XP-L/ Nichia/ SST20 Hi CRI 21700 Right Angle Flashlight - ENDED
How do you guys deal with the warranty?? Do you send the defective light back to china??
From what I’ve read, seems like Jack will just send you a new one. You might have to show him a video to show how it’s defective.
Guys one question please
what's the difference between Anduril UI and Narsil UI please?
You could look to Lexel for an explanation/solution.
I think that he is responsible for the overall electronic design. Basically just yet another derivative FET +n knockoff.
He also designed the aux. LED board but has chosen not to share the details with us.
I doubt that you will hear anything from FF. Communication is not what he does.
The firmware seems to be based on TK’s open source, but not necessarily tailored properly. so Caveat Emptor. As always. Do your homework.
That said, your failure reports suggest basic manufacturing problems, not just firmware/hardware integration issues.
I wrote to Fireflies about my faulty light next day I receive mail from Jack, he asked for a video and said they will send me replacement light. Yesterday I sent them the video and now I’m waiting for reply.
Just wondering, around how much current to push the 219B to give a purplish bluish tint?
How about a full-charged 40T? Will it also give the PL47 219B purplish bluish tint?
Same here last night with my Samsung INR21700-50E fully charged, be careful with nichia 219b turbo mode.
Narsil, actually NarsilM for "Multi" channel output support was further developed/released for the BLF Q8.
Narsil - dates back to 2015/02, vers 1.1 released in 2016/07
NarsilM - v1.0 released in 2017/05, v1.1: 2017/08, v1.3 is the active version
Narsil is the culmination of many inputs from the BLF community with UI contributions from BLF/Q8 members, and software components from ToyKeeper, JohnnyC, Werner and others. I put it all together and added some unique twists of my own. Because of it's rich history and support for many UI options, it's gotten a bit complicated.
Anduril is considered the next generation of Narsil(M). If you are familiar with the Lord of the Rings, Anduril was the sword forged from the fragments of Narsil, so the firmware is very much along the same lines. TK wrote Anduril from the ground up so it's a cleaner re-birth, but with same/similar features. She has taken it further in some areas, like brightness controls over the AUX LED's, campfire/candle mode, etc.
NarsilM has a bit more traction out there right now, more hours of use, maybe a bit more proven, specially for it's uses in the Q8, GT, and associated lights.
I can't make a true comparative list since I'm just not that familiar with the details of Anduril. You would probably find better and more info in the firmware threads. Sorry, I just haven't had the time to keep up with things as I should have.
awesome! Thanks a 1000000
jack replied my email within 7 hours… he asked for the video… I summit already.
I post the video here too. Post # 1672
I dunno - weird, but was the light warm/hot to begin with? Not sure if Anduril has full thermal regulation and not just thermal limiting. It almost looks like it's turning up power after recovering from thermal dropping output. If the firmware doesn't do that, then something weird goin on with the switch I'd suspect .
Here: https://budgetlightforum.com/t/-/32545/1899
Looks like thermal regulation is having issues, though not sure this is enabled in Anduril in the PL47??
That definitely looks like a hardware problem, like it thinks the switch is being pressed when it’s not.
It’d be worth cleaning the contacts and trying to remove any potential dirt or debris from inside the light. I’ve had what looks like little hair-like bits of aluminum floating around in some lights, causing problems. But if that doesn’t help, it’ll probably need a replacement.
There is no such test mode. It looks like it’s in stepped ramp mode and it’s getting phantom button presses.
Speaking of doing one’s homework, I’d appreciate it if you followed your own advice instead of spreading FUD. I’ve confirmed repeatedly in public that I made the code for this light and sent it to Fireflies. The code is published, the compiled binaries are published, and the details are available for anyone who wants them. Speculating about it isn’t merely unnecessary; it has a negative effect by spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt about things which are not uncertain or doubtful.
The PL47 uses thermal regulation, but the behavior in the video is something else entirely. The thermal regulation system doesn’t go that low, and when it makes adjustments it’s smooth instead of going in steps.
There is only one known bug in the thermal code, and the PL47 uses a workaround for it. Sometimes on lights which heat up incredibly fast, the normal regulation algorithm doesn’t ramp down fast enough. So the PL47 errs on the side of caution by using a hardcoded fast step-down (er, ramp-down) on turbo before switching to the normal regulation.
About the link above… TA has been having thermal issues on a light he built, and is trying to get the code to work, and it’s doing really bizarre things… but as far as I can tell, the problems appear to be caused by his own tinkering. I’ve tried to point him in the right direction, but I think he needs me to actually fix it for him, not just give tips and ideas. And I’ve been too busy to do that for free. In any case, it’s completely unrelated to the PL47.
As far as I can tell, Newlumen’s light has a hardware problem, like burrs inside the light shorting the switch… or something like that.
Ok - good to know bout the thermal reg. I've seen 1 or 2 other reports on PL47's that sounded like switch problems, just that rising output looked strange. I got a PL47 on the way for a long time now - China shipping seems completely shutdown for 2-3 weeks now, least for me for several orders.
Where can I find the PL47 binaries? Is the link from the PL47 page (http://www.ff-light.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59&product_id=54) to Anduril the current actual code they are using? That link they use simply points to the trunk, so wouldn't that always be updated? I would think there would be a snapshot taken of the exact version and full set of files Fireflies is using?
Sorry, I'm still confused with bazaar.
Ohh, I helped TA out previously, yeah he gets into some strange issues.
That is actually a pretty good answer. They’re similar in concept, similar in terms of broad strokes, but the details differ in many many ways.
It would be difficult to list all the differences. I can go over some of the main ones though…
- NarsilM has two completely independent interfaces available — one for ramping, and one for mode sets. Anduril uses one ramping-style interface for both, and makes them easy to switch between.
- NarsilM provides about a dozen mode sets to choose from, configured by the firmware author. Anduril’s stepped ramp uses only a single mode group, but it’s defined entirely by the user so it can be anything.
- NarsilM keeps the config settings in a master config menu with many options. Anduril uses a few smaller config menus instead, attached to the modes they configure.
- NarsilM uses a thermal step-down or a turbo timer to manage heat. Anduril uses PID thermal regulation.
- NarsilM is older and more widely used. Anduril is newer and just starting to find its way onto production lights.
- Anduril adds a variety of extra features, like: adjustable strobes, candle mode, lightning mode, sunset, and a muggle mode. Also, more aux LED / button LED modes, but those mostly don’t work on Fireflies lights so it’s not very relevant here.
The main thing people tend to notice right away is that NarsilM uses delayed on and immediate off, while Anduril uses immediate on and delayed off. In other words…
- Delayed on: NarsilM waits until a “click” is either released or held before turning the main LEDs on.
- Immediate on: Anduril turns the main LEDs on at the ramp floor level as soon as the button is pressed, then either goes up to the memorized level when the button is released, or gives a brief “blip” as a timing hint when it has been held long enough to stay at the floor level.
- Immediate off: NarsilM turns off the main LEDs as soon as the button is released. If there are any clicks afterward, it turns the LEDs back on again. So, doing a shortcut to turbo means turning the light off for a moment along the way.
- Delayed off: Anduril waits until it’s sure the user is done pressing the button before turning off or taking other actions. This means double-click to turbo doesn’t cause the LEDs to turn off first, and a click-release-hold to ramp down doesn’t cause a blink either. It also allows other actions without interruptions. However, it means there’s a small delay after click before the light turns off.
The biggest difference is something people generally don’t notice though. The source code for the two projects is completely different. It’s a bit like if someone sent a vague story idea to both J.R.R. Tolkien and J.K. Rowling, and they both wrote books about the same idea… the two books would be very different. But that’s all under the hood where users don’t see it.
I’ve been publishing builds here:
http://toykeeper.net/torches/fsm/?C=M;O=D
I think FF used the 2018-10-27 version for the PL47. If anyone reflashes it though, I’d suggest using a newer version. It should work fine, but there are a steady stream of little improvements over time.
It could potentially be the 2018-11-19 version, but I don’t think so. To determine which one it is, put the light in lockout mode (4 clicks) and then quickly press the button a bunch of times. If it stops lighting up after 3 clicks, that’s the 10-27 version. If it keeps lighting up no matter how many times it’s pressed, that’s the 11-11 version or later. My E07 shipped with the 10-27 version though, and they use the same firmware, so I think the PL47 does too.
Only 1 clarification there: NarsilM has 2 config menus. An Advanced Configuration is for indicator LED options.
I would disagree with calling what NarsilM does as a "delayed on". It's as quick as you click - no delay. Depends somewhat on the mechanics of the switch, and the user, but the firmware doesn't add any delay time.
With my memory I find it impossible for me to use Narsil. I just can’t keep how it works in my head somehow.
On the other hand, I absolutely love Anduril and flash every e-switch light I get with it. I find it much more intuitive… this is for me and my use so someone else may see it entirely different of course.
While we are on subject of instant and delayed on, I wonder why when you double click from off Anduril powered light it blinks before it goes to ramp top?
Narsil is way smoother here and that’s the only thing that bugs me about Anduril. Otherwise I love it and I want Anduril based flashlight in every form factor way down to 14500 and 16340.