I’m interested in the cool white version, I just filled out the form. Glad I didn’t miss out on this group buy like I have the last two, the BLF Q8 and the BLF GT. Love my BLF Q8.

teacher wrote:

OrangePeel wrote:

I feel really uneasy now spending another $220 for the NW version with such fluid transactions.

Wow…. Seems like the acessory purchases are ‘all over the map’…. with nobody knowing the real story.

I personally don’t know enough details on the bag stuff. I know Lumintop does not make bags, caps and straps so they have to source them from outside. Maybe it’s from Neal? It’s possible the stock at Lumintop ran out and they are waiting for another shipment. I don’t really know. TA probably has the current details.

jmkarstetter wrote:

I’m interested in the cool white version, I just filled out the form. Glad I didn’t miss out on this group buy like I have the last two, the BLF Q8 and the BLF GT. Love my BLF Q8.

Did you get the confirmation email? This is how you will get back to your order.

I got the Google Forms response email if that’s what you are talking about.

teacher wrote:

OrangePeel wrote:

I feel really uneasy now spending another $220 for the NW version with such fluid transactions.

Wow…. Seems like the acessory purchases are ‘all over the map’…. with nobody knowing the real story.

But why do you feel “uneasy” about purchasing another light??

Did you have problems receiving your GT70 also???

My uneasiness is not due to the light itself (although I had to fix the 360 rotating cap that was jammed with metal shavings), but with Lumintop backing out of their own commitment. I asked prior to buying the accessories if they would be shipped with the light and was told twice that yes they would be. When they did not arrive with my light I asked when they will ship and am told that they never intended to ship them in the first place. Not a relationship I look for when I am spending $440 for lights. Maybe the Lumintop direct thing was more than they could handle. Don’t get me wrong. This is an amazing, milestone light that the GT70 team did a tremendous job on. I certainly could not have pulled it off. As with most BLF projects, things are not always perfect when you push cost vs state-of-the-art. But it is such a shame that something as simple as the cap and strap orders going through is such a hurdle. I’ll have to find some solution to protect such an expensive light, which is not a big deal; but it’s unfortunate that something unrelated to the quality of their lights has tarnished my opinion of Lumintop.

This is how group buys can be. Messy!

To be fair though, this is by far the smoothest Group Buy I have ever seen.

Edit: I would think that if Lumintop ran out of inventory, they would set up a deal with Banggoid for the customers to order the same items for the same price. I don’t think they would try to force a higher price on somebody just because they may not have it in stock right now.

TA would need to sort it out.

I got the email for the CW version, will I get a PM/Email when the NW version is ready to order, or will it only be a PM?

I´m planning to dedome the LED.
Should I choose the CW Version?
This is a 6500K 1A?

Is this LED better for warmer (not greener) Tint after dedoming / shaving:
http://kaidomain.com/Cree-XHP70_2-P2-1A-White-6000K-LED-Emitter?search=xhp70.2

Thanks

square74 wrote:

I´m planning to dedome the LED.
Should I choose the CW Version?
This is a 6500K 1A?

Is this LED better for warmer (not greener) Tint after dedoming / shaving:
http://kaidomain.com/Cree-XHP70_2-P2-1A-White-6000K-LED-Emitter?search=xhp70.2

Thanks

I noticed the new emitter info was not in post #4. I updated it.

CW is 6500K P2 1A.
NW is 5000k P2 3C

TA says he would go with the CW for slicing the dome off over the NW. It’s the better looking of the two choices. If you can reflow leds then it might be best to shop around and get something that better suits you. If you like NW, maybe a 2A or 2D would be better?

I’m sure TA will give more details tomorrow.

I_like_lamb wrote:

I got the email for the CW version, will I get a PM/Email when the NW version is ready to order, or will it only be a PM?

JasonWW wrote:

I_like_lamb wrote:

I got the email for the CW version, will I get a PM/Email when the NW version is ready to order, or will it only be a PM?

This I’m not sure. Maybe someone who has ordered a CW light can say. Did you guys get just an email with the order instructions or a PM?

I got an email with instructions and a link, but that was for the CW version, not NW.

I_like_lamb wrote:

JasonWW wrote:

I_like_lamb wrote:

I got the email for the CW version, will I get a PM/Email when the NW version is ready to order, or will it only be a PM?

This I’m not sure. Maybe someone who has ordered a CW light can say. Did you guys get just an email with the order instructions or a PM?

I got an email with instructions and a link, but that was for the CW version, not NW.

Quote:

TA says he would go with the CW for slicing the dome off over the NW. It’s the better looking of the two choices. If you can reflow leds then it might be best to shop around and get something that better suits you. If you like NW, maybe a 2A or 2D would be better?

Are 2A oder 2D (5700K) available with Binning P2?

Not found one till now.

square74 wrote:

Quote:

TA says he would go with the CW for slicing the dome off over the NW. It’s the better looking of the two choices. If you can reflow leds then it might be best to shop around and get something that better suits you. If you like NW, maybe a 2A or 2D would be better?

Are 2A oder 2D (5700K) available with Binning P2?

Not found one till now.

Here is a P2 5700K but I don’t know the tint code. Could be A, B, C or D.

I recently ordered one of these and should be receiving it any day now.

What’s the exact package of our XHP70.2s we have in our GT70 ?
(d’thing is: many suppliers ask you to select a package first)

Kingjohn wrote:

What’s the exact package of our XHP70.2s we have in our GT70 ?
(d’thing is: many suppliers ask you to select a package first)

This is what TA posted earlier: 5000k XHP70B-3C-P2

Maybe he can answer later today.

jmkarstetter wrote:

I'm interested in the cool white version, I just filled out the form. Glad I didn't miss out on this group buy like I have the last two, the BLF Q8 and the BLF GT. Love my BLF Q8.

I second that thought.  The BLF Q8 5000 -  by far is the best bang for the buck ($40-$49) for everyday carry, and power consumption.  You will not be disappointed.  I personally have 6 of them. 

OrangePeel wrote:

Texas_Ace wrote:

Lothar wrote:

Texas_Ace wrote:

Those that want the bags, batteries and other add-on’s I would recommend waiting to place your order until it is sorted out.

Texas_Ace wrote:

Ok, I got a minor update on the bags and caps. Basically they will not be available with the group buy BUT they will ship them separately later once they are in stock. So watch for these later.

Texas_Ace wrote:

Ok, The 30Q cells are officially live on the Lumintop website

Ok, so just checking: I can order the BLF GT70 CW with batteries, lens cap and strap so long, and then order the bag separately and they will ship that for free to the US?
I’m not in a hurry, so I don’t mind for everything to be available to send them out at once. Should I maybe email Leo and arrange this?

Yes, you can now place an order for everything except the Bag which will take several weeks to be produced. Everything available now will start shipping next week if all goes well.

On the bag you can order it at a later date and yes, shipping should be free then as well seeing as it would ship in a separate box even if it was ordered now.

This is not true according to Leo at Lumintop. Here is what he replied today when I inquired about when my caps and straps would be shipping:

Quote:

Jim,

We cannot organize the accessories together when I arrange the shipment because you paid twice. We will send refund of covers and straps to you soon.

If you need the accessories, pls buy them from banggood directly.

Pls kindly be noted.
Leo

This makes no sense because on 08/13, I asked Lumintop about shipping the items together and was told:

Quote:

Hello Jim,
Yes, you can play the additional order for the head cover and shoulder strap, and we will ship them together with the GT70 flashlight.
Thank you
Victor

And then on 08/17 when I had order issues with their site, I inquired and was told:

Quote:

Thanks for the message.
Regret that your order 900109233 was wrong. For the code **** is only for GT70 orders, not for accessories.
So we would like to change the price to $28 which including the shipping fee, and after complete the payment, we can ship these together with order: 900107837
Any questions just feel free to contact us.
Thanks
Lumintop team

I paid for the accessories nearly two weeks before the light shipped. The irony is $28 was $6 more than my total which I assume was to cover shipping costs. I don’t see where I can get 4 caps and 2 straps on Banggood for $28 shipped. I realize these are accessories, but I am still making a purchase from Lumintop. Is there any BLF pull that can help get this straightened out? I don’t mind paying for shipping, but there is clearly a considerable difference in price on accessories between our BLF/Lumintop buy price and Banggood. I feel really uneasy now spending another $220 for the NW version with such fluid transactions.

First off I am far from clear on exactly what has gone down with your order but my best guess is as follows:

Where are you located? I think that the shipped fee they refer to is due to your location. Some locations need an extra $20 or $40 for shipping. That would explain $20 of the extra $28 and sadly no, this is not refundable. Only the $2 overcharge on the price is refundable if you request it.

I am also guessing that the bag and cap were not included with the first order, which is why a second was needed. That would seem to mean that you need a $8 refund, not $6. So that is odd.

Finally far as them not being shipped together, sadly I can’t say I am surprised, nor can I really blame them. Having had to deal with mass orders like them many times personally, it is oh so very easy to not realize there are 2 separate orders going to the same address ad thus waste money shipping 2 separate orders.

Now the bag and cap should of been sent separately, that I can’t really explain.

I would suggest that you contact Neal, he is the one that actually sourced the bags and caps, it is possible he still has some available and he could sort it out on the back end somehow. I will contact him and give him a heads up.

square74 wrote:

I´m planning to dedome the LED.
Should I choose the CW Version?
This is a 6500K 1A?

Is this LED better for warmer (not greener) Tint after dedoming / shaving:
http://kaidomain.com/Cree-XHP70_2-P2-1A-White-6000K-LED-Emitter?search=xhp70.2

Thanks

We have not seen a stock CW dedomed LED yet to know what the final tint would look like, so it is impossible to say if it would be better or worse then the one from KD.

That one from KD should work ok though.

As Jason said, any A or D tint LED should work for dedoming. At least as good as we can get.

JasonWW wrote:

Kingjohn wrote:

What’s the exact package of our XHP70.2s we have in our GT70 ?
(d’thing is: many suppliers ask you to select a package first)

What do you mean by “package”? I’m not familiar with the term. Can you give me an exampke?

This is what TA posted earlier: 5000k XHP70B-3C-P2

Maybe he can answer later today.

The term “package” defines the design or footprint of an IC. (size, housing type, connections (pads, pins), etc..)

LED Packages

So what I mean is: Does a XHP70.2 always look exactly the same, with the same electrical requirements the same pad position, size, etc….? So I can buy any XHP70.2, and it will always fit…..

I think this is the case, but I am not 100% sure….

Kingjohn wrote:

JasonWW wrote:

Kingjohn wrote:

What’s the exact package of our XHP70.2s we have in our GT70 ?
(d’thing is: many suppliers ask you to select a package first)

What do you mean by “package”? I’m not familiar with the term. Can you give me an exampke?

This is what TA posted earlier: 5000k XHP70B-3C-P2

Maybe he can answer later today.

The term “package” defines the design or footprint of an IC. (size, housing type, connections (pads, pins), etc..)

LED Packages

So what I mean is: Does a XHP70.2 always look exactly the same, with the same electrical requirements the same pad position, size, etc….? So I can buy any XHP70.2, and it will always fit…..

I think this is the case, but I am not 100% sure….

Yes, they are all the same. You can configure to run them at 6V or 12V depending on how the PCB is configured, but the LEDs all have the same pad configuration and package size for the 70.2.

Mark M wrote:

Kingjohn wrote:

JasonWW wrote:

Kingjohn wrote:

What’s the exact package of our XHP70.2s we have in our GT70 ?
(d’thing is: many suppliers ask you to select a package first)

What do you mean by “package”? I’m not familiar with the term. Can you give me an exampke?

This is what TA posted earlier: 5000k XHP70B-3C-P2

Maybe he can answer later today.

The term “package” defines the design or footprint of an IC. (size, housing type, connections (pads, pins), etc..)

LED Packages

So what I mean is: Does a XHP70.2 always look exactly the same, with the same electrical requirements the same pad position, size, etc….? So I can buy any XHP70.2, and it will always fit…..

I think this is the case, but I am not 100% sure….

Yes, they are all the same. You can configure to run them at 6V or 12V depending on how the PCB is configured, but the LEDs all have the same pad configuration and package size for the 70.2.

Yep, what he said. I do not know if there is a standard package name for the XHP70.2 footprint though. You could try looking for something like 7070 6v or 12v but I kinda doubt you will find anything.

Kingjohn wrote:

JasonWW wrote:

Kingjohn wrote:

What’s the exact package of our XHP70.2s we have in our GT70 ?
(d’thing is: many suppliers ask you to select a package first)

What do you mean by “package”? I’m not familiar with the term. Can you give me an example?

This is what TA posted earlier: 5000k XHP70B-3C-P2

Maybe he can answer later today.

The term “package” defines the design or footprint of an IC. (size, housing type, connections (pads, pins), etc..)

LED Packages

So what I mean is: Does a XHP70.2 always look exactly the same, with the same electrical requirements the same pad position, size, etc….? So I can buy any XHP70.2, and it will always fit…..

I think this is the case, but I am not 100% sure….

All 70 and 70.2 are 7mm by 7mm aka 7070.

All XML, XML2, SST-40, 50 and 50.2 are 5mm by 5mm aka 5050

All XHP35, XHP35.2, XPG, XPG2, XPG3, XPL are 3.45 by 3.45, but we call it 3.5 × 3.5 aka 3535.

Nichia 219 and 319 are actual 3535.

The new version Luxeon V are an odd duck at 4040.

So it’s just a matter of matching the package to the pads on the mcpcb.

With the 3535 they just have 2 electrical pads. They can run a 3v xpl, etc… or a 12v xhp35 because it’s 4 dies are wired in series. So you send 3v to an xpl and 12v to a xhp35.

Now the 5050 and 7070 are a bit tricky as you can run them at either 6v or 12v. This is determined by the mcpcb and it’s pad arraignment. You need the right mcpcb for your voltage needs on the 5050 and 7070.

Hopefully that’s enough info for you. We’ve talked extensively about mcpcb pads and the different types of voltage setups back in the GT thread and elsewhere. It helps to use pictures to explain that.

Kingjohn, if you want to keep a list of all the package and die sizes of the most common emitters, just take a screenshot of this LIST to keep with you. This is what I do so that I can quickly see all the details that I need.

I see they’ve added new emitters and it now has links. Cool.

HOT OFF THE HAZG PRESS

Next Update: September 11, 2018

The final set of emails for the neutral white GT70 and conversion kits will be going out next week. So if you want in, now is the time to sign up. The google form will be disabled when the emails go out.

At that point the only way to get in will be to PM me or Jason for the details manually.

I didn’t get the email for the CW conversion kit. I’m signed up as per the log above. Can someone please send me the code?

Thanks

yclongthrow wrote:

I didn’t get the email for the CW conversion kit. I’m signed up as per the log above. Can someone please send me the code?

Thanks

 Can someone please list out what the GT70 CW lights color tint off the chart that we just received?  

Thanks!

hazG wrote:

Can someone please list out what the GT70 CW lights color tint off the chart that we just received?
Thanks!

CW is 6500K P2 1A
NW is 5000k P2 3C