It looks like it would work on a baseball cap, if it’s not too heavy, but wouldn’t work very well in most other places. If I had one I would probably take the clip off, or maybe break off the extra fold.
Thanks for the reply TK
I have an 18650 A6 with a reverse clip on a cap that I keep on a nail by the door. I use it more frequently than any other light(including Emisars). Although the business end hangs over a bit, weight is not a problem if the cap is ‘secure’. I dont think the FW3A is as long. I was hoping someone might know a good supplier for clips that are similar this one that I could mod. If it involves more than just dremeling the ring, I probably wont go to the trouble. Anyone?
Thanks
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Isn’t it a little difficult to use a tail switch on a baseball-cap light? It seems like it would be a lot easier to use a side switch. Instead of a FW3A, for that purpose I’d probably try an Olight S2 or similar.
Isn’t it a little difficult to use a tail switch on a baseball-cap light? It seems like it would be a lot easier to use a side switch. Instead of a FW3A, for that purpose I’d probably try an Olight S2 or similar.
Not really with the 18650 A6 but I also tried it with a 18350 short tube and that does carry better but at the cost of runtime. The longer tube really isnt that bad when you need two hands.
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It looks like it would work on a baseball cap, if it’s not too heavy, but wouldn’t work very well in most other places. If I had one I would probably take the clip off, or maybe break off the extra fold.
Thanks for the reply TK
I have an 18650 A6 with a reverse clip on a cap that I keep on a nail by the door. I use it more frequently than any other light(including Emisars). Although the business end hangs over a bit, weight is not a problem if the cap is ‘secure’. I dont think the FW3A is as long. I was hoping someone might know a good supplier for clips that are similar this one that I could mod. If it involves more than just dremeling the ring, I probably wont go to the trouble. Anyone?
Thanks
You know I agree that generally the dual direction clip is a great theory that fails in execution and real use, mostly due to overall thickness and poor shape. The FW3A though has a really good chance to change that with the tapered tube, since the ‘gap’ in head-down mode is ‘inside’ the diameter. As demonstrated in the rendering I quoted, there’s no excessive thickness and it looks very possible to work well. Granted, with that said, I don’t ever carry or utilize this design with tail-switch lights and I don’t wear duck-billed caps (I have other headlamps), but plenty may want one, and I think there is space in the after-market for this design to be offered.
FW3XXX = @Cheap fake/knockoff copy of FW3A. Key word, ‘cheap’. Use as loaner light.
Wouldn’t the fake/knockoff be called FW3fire…?
Also I didn’t find my own personal led preference (because it’s better than everybody else’s preference ), I want lightsaber green, please …. for just such occasions I need to defend myself against Tusken Raiders (sand people).
FW3XXX = @Cheap fake/knockoff copy of FW3A. Key word, ‘cheap’. Use as loaner light.
Wouldn’t the fake/knockoff be called FW3fire…?
Also I didn’t find my own personal led preference (because it’s better than everybody else’s preference ), I want lightsaber green, please …. for just such occasions I need to defend myself against Tusken Raiders (sand people).
Point taken pinkpanda3310. As ‘keeper of THELIST…. it is my aim to register any & all requests….. yours have been added. .
FW3F = Fire (an even cheaper copy of the FW3XXX. Use at own risk.)
FW3PP = Personal Preference (have it your way… everything is optional)
Good luck with those “Tusken Raiders” too……. ..
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joechina wrote:
Are we now officially back from 67mm to 66mm in battery length?
There was never a promise of 67mm, as far as I’m aware. Battery size was only specified as “18650” until mid-2018, when I added “maximum 66mm” to the OP. The only prior mention of 67mm was this comment, which was not official or correct. I have no idea where that number came from. Anyway, old snapshots are available on archive.org if anyone would like to see how the first post looked in the past.
However, in proto4, it’s really more of a maximum of 65mm. But I’m hoping Lumintop can fix that because the reduction from 66mm to 65mm was only caused by a manufacturing error.
Maybe it will sound strange but am I the only one who thinks that almost two years for flashlight development and putting into production is way too long? I really dont understand why it take so long and why there is no feedback from manufacturer and members who assist in development (and production?) process about schedule of production and actual date it will be ready for purchase?
Looking to the specs its probably best ever EDC light that will (hopefully) be available (also direct competitor to Emisar D4 and many other similar lights), so I assume for manufacturer and development team this need to be priority number one. Instead it looks like manufacturer is not interested (maybe initial price calculation is wrong or other reason?).
Again, looking to the specs, its clear that this light will be one of the best available (for that price) and manufacturer should know that as sooner it will be available for purchase, more lights will sell.
Sorry if this all sounds dumb. I dont know anything about production, just wanted to know why its soooo long.
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dropman wrote:
just wanted to know why its soooo long.
A few reasons:
Turnover. None of the original project members are still involved.
Communication issues. Remember when Ford Prefect wrote an entire book about Earth, and his editor shortened it to “mostly harmless”? That sort of thing happens a lot.
Getting stuff manufactured in China is complicated. Many surprising things can go wrong.
It’s being made by volunteers, not employees.
However, it’s still happening faster than many Kickstarter projects. My experience with those has generally been about 3 or 4 years between buy-in and actual product delivery.
Ok. But what about feedback from manufacturer? As I understand, some production samples where made and sent to few volunteers for testing. I see three reviews, but why there are no information from manufacturer like, what is the status and when they plan to make first 2000 lights? Can someone, who knows better, guess or just ask manufacturer actual status?
Ok. But what about feedback from manufacturer? As I understand, some production samples where made and sent to few volunteers for testing. I see three reviews, but why there are no information from manufacturer like, what is the status and when they plan to make first 2000 lights? Can someone, who knows better, guess or just ask manufacturer actual status?
The best person who can give you that answer already gave you her answer. What more do you want? You just have to be patient and remember this is being done by volunteers on THEIROWN time, so we should be grateful and learn to wait.
From what I’ve been able to glean, even if the driver recess in prototype 3 had been correctly machined, only the very shortest of button-top cells would be likely to work. Is that your opinion as well?
Ok. But what about feedback from manufacturer? As I understand, some production samples where made and sent to few volunteers for testing. I see three reviews, but why there are no information from manufacturer like, what is the status and when they plan to make first 2000 lights? Can someone, who knows better, guess or just ask manufacturer actual status?
You can wonder why it goes like this, figure out how the process would go better, even conclude that the improved process would benefit both manufacturer and customer, and you could be right in all aspects.
But the simple truth is that when working with chinese flashlight manufacturers the process does not follow common sense. Communication can be slow or absent at times, and that is just one aspect of the process that is troublesome.
What may just happen is that while we expect the latest feedback to be incorporated in a final design, the flashlight goes on sale without notice to the development team, without minding the feedback. Once customer complaints about the design/manufacturing flaws start rolling in, they just improve the next batch.
If you can not live with that, it is best not to get too involved in these BLF projects, or just wait until a finalised batch with all flaws ironed out hits the market.
From what I’ve been able to glean, even if the driver recess in prototype 3 had been correctly machined, only the very shortest of button-top cells would be likely to work. Is that your opinion as well?
Honestly, the only opinion I have is if the total length of the cell (battery) is 66 mm or under it should fit.
If it is over 66 mm total length it’s probably not going to fit.
“Total length” is referring to anything that makes the battery longer, whether that be a button top, a solder b(. )( .)b, …… anything.
That is honestly all I know. I just take what I read in the OP at face value. “Maximum length is 66 mm”.
It is what it is…….
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Ok. But what about feedback from manufacturer? As I understand, some production samples where made and sent to few volunteers for testing. I see three reviews, but why there are no information from manufacturer like, what is the status and when they plan to make first 2000 lights? Can someone, who knows better, guess or just ask manufacturer actual status?
You can wonder why it goes like this, figure out how the process would go better, even conclude that the improved process would benefit both manufacturer and customer, and you could be right in all aspects.
But the simple truth is that when working with chinese flashlight manufacturers the process does not follow common sense. Communication can be slow or absent at times, and that is just one aspect of the process that is troublesome.
What may just happen is that while we expect the latest feedback to be incorporated in a final design, the flashlight goes on sale without notice to the development team, without minding the feedback. Once customer complaints about the design/manufacturing flaws start rolling in, they just improve the next batch.
If you can not live with that, it is best not to get too involved in these BLF projects, or just wait until a finalised batch with all flaws ironed out hits the market.
From what I’ve been able to glean, even if the driver recess in prototype 3 had been correctly machined, only the very shortest of button-top cells would be likely to work. Is that your opinion as well?
Honestly, the only opinion I have is if the total length of the cell (battery) is 66 mm or under it should fit.
If it is over 66 mm total length it’s probably not going to fit.
“Total length” is referring to anything that makes the battery longer, whether that be a button top, a solder b(. )( .)b, …… anything.
That is honestly all I know. I just take what I read in the OP at face value. “Maximum length is 66 mm”.
It is what it is…….
Got it. When I return to Dallas (I’m currently traveling), I think I’ll measure all of my high-drain button-top batteries to see how this design lines up.
I’ll assume that the 66-mm max length applies WITH a correctly-machined driver cavity.
However, it’s still happening faster than many Kickstarter projects. My experience with those has generally been about 3 or 4 years between buy-in and actual product delivery.
Wow, I’ve only been involved in a handful of Kickstarter projects and all have been completed within 4-9 months. Most of the work on those has already been done though.
That list cracks me up. TY Teach.
Thanks for the reply TK
I have an 18650 A6 with a reverse clip on a cap that I keep on a nail by the door. I use it more frequently than any other light(including Emisars). Although the business end hangs over a bit, weight is not a problem if the cap is ‘secure’. I dont think the FW3A is as long. I was hoping someone might know a good supplier for clips that are similar this one that I could mod. If it involves more than just dremeling the ring, I probably wont go to the trouble. Anyone?
Thanks
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Isn’t it a little difficult to use a tail switch on a baseball-cap light? It seems like it would be a lot easier to use a side switch. Instead of a FW3A, for that purpose I’d probably try an Olight S2 or similar.
FW3DG = Dragon Glass…..Winter is Coming!
Not really with the 18650 A6 but I also tried it with a 18350 short tube and that does carry better but at the cost of runtime. The longer tube really isnt that bad when you need two hands.
Im not a Pessimist …. just an Optimist with a lot of experience
A little John Prine
You know I agree that generally the dual direction clip is a great theory that fails in execution and real use, mostly due to overall thickness and poor shape. The FW3A though has a really good chance to change that with the tapered tube, since the ‘gap’ in head-down mode is ‘inside’ the diameter. As demonstrated in the rendering I quoted, there’s no excessive thickness and it looks very possible to work well. Granted, with that said, I don’t ever carry or utilize this design with tail-switch lights and I don’t wear duck-billed caps (I have other headlamps), but plenty may want one, and I think there is space in the after-market for this design to be offered.
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It pretty well “cracks me up” too. There has/have certainly been some unique suggestions for sure……
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Are we now officially back from 67mm to 66mm in battery length?
From the OP??
The FW3A
Small elegant EDC triple flashlight designed by Fritz15
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It doesnt say tho specific if button top cells will fit or not ?
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Maybe they will, maybe they won’t.
If they are not over 66mm, the way I read it; they should fit.
If they are over 66mm, they probably will not fit.
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Wouldn’t the fake/knockoff be called FW3fire…?
Also I didn’t find my own personal led preference (because it’s better than everybody else’s preference
), I want lightsaber green, please 
…. for just such occasions I need to defend myself against Tusken Raiders (sand people).
Good luck with those “Tusken Raiders” too…….
.. 
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There was never a promise of 67mm, as far as I’m aware. Battery size was only specified as “18650” until mid-2018, when I added “maximum 66mm” to the OP. The only prior mention of 67mm was this comment, which was not official or correct. I have no idea where that number came from. Anyway, old snapshots are available on archive.org if anyone would like to see how the first post looked in the past.
However, in proto4, it’s really more of a maximum of 65mm. But I’m hoping Lumintop can fix that because the reduction from 66mm to 65mm was only caused by a manufacturing error.
I will take one.
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Maybe it will sound strange but am I the only one who thinks that almost two years for flashlight development and putting into production is way too long? I really dont understand why it take so long and why there is no feedback from manufacturer and members who assist in development (and production?) process about schedule of production and actual date it will be ready for purchase?
Looking to the specs its probably best ever EDC light that will (hopefully) be available (also direct competitor to Emisar D4 and many other similar lights), so I assume for manufacturer and development team this need to be priority number one. Instead it looks like manufacturer is not interested (maybe initial price calculation is wrong or other reason?).
Again, looking to the specs, its clear that this light will be one of the best available (for that price) and manufacturer should know that as sooner it will be available for purchase, more lights will sell.
Sorry if this all sounds dumb. I dont know anything about production, just wanted to know why its soooo long.
A few reasons:
However, it’s still happening faster than many Kickstarter projects. My experience with those has generally been about 3 or 4 years between buy-in and actual product delivery.
Ok. But what about feedback from manufacturer? As I understand, some production samples where made and sent to few volunteers for testing. I see three reviews, but why there are no information from manufacturer like, what is the status and when they plan to make first 2000 lights? Can someone, who knows better, guess or just ask manufacturer actual status?
The best person who can give you that answer already gave you her answer. What more do you want? You just have to be patient and remember this is being done by volunteers on THEIR OWN time, so we should be grateful and learn to wait.
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Teacher,
From what I’ve been able to glean, even if the driver recess in prototype 3 had been correctly machined, only the very shortest of button-top cells would be likely to work. Is that your opinion as well?
Yep, it has taken a while, but we are all hoping it is getting close to production.
hm so even flat top cells can be an issue is that correct ?
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You can wonder why it goes like this, figure out how the process would go better, even conclude that the improved process would benefit both manufacturer and customer, and you could be right in all aspects.
But the simple truth is that when working with chinese flashlight manufacturers the process does not follow common sense. Communication can be slow or absent at times, and that is just one aspect of the process that is troublesome.
What may just happen is that while we expect the latest feedback to be incorporated in a final design, the flashlight goes on sale without notice to the development team, without minding the feedback. Once customer complaints about the design/manufacturing flaws start rolling in, they just improve the next batch.
If you can not live with that, it is best not to get too involved in these BLF projects, or just wait until a finalised batch with all flaws ironed out hits the market.
link to djozz tests
If it is over 66 mm total length it’s probably not going to fit.
“Total length” is referring to anything that makes the battery longer, whether that be a button top, a solder b(. )( .)b, …… anything.
That is honestly all I know. I just take what I read in the OP at face value. “Maximum length is 66 mm”.
It is what it is…….
You never know how a horse will pull until you hook him up to a heavy load./"Bear" Bryant
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See, there are 2 problems we face here:
1. We don’t speak mandarin.
2. We aren’t based in China/don’t go in China.
It would help immensely if there weren’t a language barrier.
Also, if we were all based in the same timezone, that would make communication much quicker.
My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
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Got it. When I return to Dallas (I’m currently traveling), I think I’ll measure all of my high-drain button-top batteries to see how this design lines up.
I’ll assume that the 66-mm max length applies WITH a correctly-machined driver cavity.
definitely want this! signing up for further information.
Wow, I’ve only been involved in a handful of Kickstarter projects and all have been completed within 4-9 months. Most of the work on those has already been done though.
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