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Lux-Perpetua weird about the missing stuff ? i thought the clip is attached from the start? mine was when i got it… wonder if they will send u the missing stuff ? FF def must improve their QA service if they want their lights reputation and brand to grow, this stuff is not ok when there is a sticker it passed bla bla and u see that… Facepalm

copper will probably look nice but it will like other said make the light too hot too hold so im not sure why people want that really in their hands..

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It is well-known at least on BLF that quality-control at the assembly house at least for all version 1 EO7s is rather lax. The quality of the design and parts used is very high

Except that the shelf and star are not designed to work together. And that the battery tube is 0.3 mm thick at the o-ring. And the battery tube is so short w.r.t. their manufacturing tolerances that the light dents cell. No, I can’t agree this is a very high quality design.
And I can’t agree that Lux-Perpetua’s bezel and tailcap are of very high quality either.
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The star on my v2 sat fine on the shelf. And a dirty bezel and discoloured tailcap are not design problems.

But I still can’t believe that they made the battery tube so thin at the o-ring, there is no way that that went unnoticed in the design process, so it was an active decision that it was good enough.

Who is the first to try and sit on their E07, see if it survives even that?

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Dirty? I assumed it was dented, maybe wrong.

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mortuus wrote:
Lux-Perpetua weird about the missing stuff ? i thought the clip is attached from the start? mine was when i got it… wonder if they will send u the missing stuff ? […]

I checked everything in the black cardboard box. There is no clip, not hidden somewhere in the foam nor attached to the E07. This figures as all the other accessories were missing, too. No lanyard, no o-rings, no manual. Meanwhile I have tightened the bezel as much as I can with my bare hands but I’m not sure how far I can turn it. It already made some serious cracking noise when I twisted the bezel to make it fit tighter. Shocked There’s still a little gap visible between the bezel and the head. Facepalm Inside of the E07 it was dirty, too. The 18650-21700 adapter felt like it fell into sticky sand before…very strange. The rubber cap on the e-switch sits crooked and not correctly in an even position, i.e. one half looks like pressed down while the other half of the cap is in normal position. Apart from this imperfection the switch works as it should.

Next thing I try is to use a 21700 battery and see if it will be dented on the positive terminal. I’m gonna start with a Sofirn 21700 battery (Lishen LR2140SA).

Banggood answered to me but only to tell me to wait another 24 hours until they can tell me about the next steps. I wonder if they sold me a previously returned light. To me, there seem to be two options:

a) Banggood sends me the missing parts including another tailcap in “gun-metal grey” that hopefully fits in terms of color appearance. I doubt this will happen.
b) Banggood refunds me a reasonable amount for the missing parts and all the hassle with the quality issues mentioned before. The question is how much will be reasonable.

I will receive another E07 today that I ordered some days before, a clear anodized XP-L HI V3 3A (5.000K). I will be happy to report about this one as well.

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fluke wrote:

Anyone know if the switch has changed?


Very little feed back from the switch, it does click, but not a positve click.

Or has someone modded the switch to work better? With a washer eg.
Make a totally unresponsive switch with zero feedback when using gloves and a super clicky happy ui .

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Sorry to ask this, but can’t seem to find exact info…
I just ordered one from banggood I don’t know witch version I am getting.
Is there a way to tell if i got the good one ore the bad one?

Thank you!

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Yeah it shoud look like this ,

its just lazy a light without any extra stuff is missing, i understand if something would miss for a review sample or something since that user gets it for free but when u pay u should get everything that u are supposed to get.. dirty marking and that things are also something weird it passed QA….. i hope the clear will have no issues its really a nice looking light with the purple color.

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Thank you mortuus! Beer I will report about my silver E07. Unfortunately, it’s stuck now in the very last step of shipping. Facepalm It would be nice if Jackie (Fireflies) was to give a statement about QA/QC here. Maybe Banggood sent me a product that was already sold to someone else and returned but maybe my E07 has left Fireflies’ factory just like this. Are these o-rings standard size o-rings? How satisfied are you with the lanyard?

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not sure about the O-rings i guess so ? i dont use the lanyard really yet no need but its nice to have if i will want, i find the clip very good its strong.

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This lanyard is useless for this flashlight imo. First of all it doesn’t even fit in the lanyard hole on the head. Second – quality wise it looks and feels very cheap compared to the flashlight itself. It’s like putting steel wheels with plastic hubcaps on a lambo, just doesn’t look right. I think it was an afterthought just like a headband with PL47.
I like djozz’s solution a lot, it looks much better than the included one.
Anyway… I’m very satisfied with my E07. My batteries fit just fine, star sits flush on the shelf thankfully, one leg on the optic is cut short but who cares. It’s both a looker and a performer. Would buy again.

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Ekstasis wrote:
One thought that struck me when looking at the Manker E14 II, The leds are placed a lot more compact, looking at the E07 the emitters are very far a part and a lot of dead space, does this fill any function ? It feels even though it looks good that the head could be more compact, compared to a lot of quad led flashlights they are a lot more compact head. It will be even more important when the Copper version is released cause it will be very front heavy, so it will be better balance if the whole body have somewhat the same size in diameter.

Yeah so yeah E07 could probably had become more compact.


Why do you want a flashlight to be “like” another one ? Do we really need redundancy ?

The E07 could have been a bit more compact but FireFlies modified the initial design to better match our requests for a larger/heavier head for better thermal management. We are not talking about thermal performance with turbo that will saturate with heat a manker e14 and fireflies e07 about equally quickly, but a greater mass with deep fins to raise the bar of the highest sustainable output.

Concerning lumens, there are also people prefering quality over quantity, people who don’t care about lumens race, particularly if they are not needing more than 500 to 800 lumens 95% of the time. Without CCT mixing and/or filtering, there is still no equivalent to the Nichia 219B sw45 tint AND colors rendition. It’s not fanboyism, it’s a matter of compromise and pragmatism. Why would you pick something else when a particular LED is the closest to your sweet spot ?

And why do you need to judge people by your own standards ?
If you consider that the luminous SST-20 4000K is better for you, fine.
If other people consider that the nichia 219b sw 45K is better for them, fine.

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I have also finally received my E07 – gray, xp-l hi v2 3A.
I have a few of the same problems as Lux-Perpetua with my copy.
Unscrewed head. All dirty.

And one more thing

Lux-Perpetua wrote:

and AUX-LEDs run as they should.

Well, I do not think so. Your aux leds inside do not work.
I have the same

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You can barely see the outermost ring of aux LEDs with the optic installed. I’m betting they do work correctly.

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Your aux leds inside do not work.

they will work for sure, but only if voltage of battery is below 3V or so Wink try it out and you will see the “red light of danger” Evil

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Indeed! I didn’t know it’s a battery indicator.
But I noticed that my “HOT” is not in the middle. Perfectionist’s hell. Angry

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Silly

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djozz wrote:
p=.

Silly

did you also notice your aux led lights in the switch aren’t square to the sides of the light?

lol they’re a lot more square than they are in my PL47 but they definitely ain’t centered

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Tally-ho wrote:
Ekstasis wrote:
One thought that struck me when looking at the Manker E14 II, The leds are placed a lot more compact, looking at the E07 the emitters are very far a part and a lot of dead space, does this fill any function ? It feels even though it looks good that the head could be more compact, compared to a lot of quad led flashlights they are a lot more compact head. It will be even more important when the Copper version is released cause it will be very front heavy, so it will be better balance if the whole body have somewhat the same size in diameter.

Yeah so yeah E07 could probably had become more compact.

We are not talking about thermal performance with turbo that will saturate with heat a manker e14 and fireflies e07 about equally quickly, but a greater mass with deep fins to raise the bar of the highest sustainable output.

Mass is caused largely by that super thick and heavy shelf. Which is worth well under 10% in sustained output. And not because of thickness but because larger head has larger surface. Well, strictly speaking thicker shelf reduces thermal resistance and therefore reduces LED temperature. But that’s well under 1%.

Mass improves turbo time, that’s it.

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That’s how they are supposed to work. Outer and Middle rings light up all the time (depending on Anduril setting).

However, the innermost ring is the low voltage indicator. It is only supposed to light up when voltage is low.

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Agro wrote:
And not because of thickness but because larger head has larger surface.

Thicker shelf avoid bottleneck to the fins that where reworked to increase the surface of exchange with air by convection. With the final prototype, heat has a better thermal path and larger surface for being evacuated = higher sustainable output. Right ?
It was redesigned, not to improve compacity but thermal management, and there isn’t 36 differents ways to achieve it with passive cooling, isn’t it ?

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Yeah so yeah E07 could probably had become more compact.

I was responding to Ektasis that no, it wasn’t designed and redesigned for maximum compacity. If it has this final shape, it is for better thermal management, or I missed something reading this thread since day1.
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Anyone else here having trouble getting “Add to Cart” button to work on ff-light.com? I tried in 2 different browsers, but it doesn’t function.

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xevious wrote:
Anyone else here having trouble getting “Add to Cart” button to work on ff-light.com? I tried in 2 different browsers, but it doesn’t function.

With Brave (chrome modification) works perfectly.
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Tally-ho wrote:
Agro wrote:
And not because of thickness but because larger head has larger surface.

Thicker shelf avoid bottleneck to the fins that where reworked to increase the surface of exchange with air by convection.

You don’t need it to be 1 cm thick to not be a bottleneck. 5 mm would be overkill already.

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With the final prototype, heat has a better thermal path and larger surface for being evacuated = higher sustainable output. Right ?

Wrong and right. Thermal path has little to do with sustained performance. Larger surface is a biggie. What matters is ability to evacuate heat out of the light. So conduction to user hand, convection from the body and radiation from the body.
Strictly speaking better thermal path makes the led run cooler. And cooler means more efficient. And more efficient means better sustained performance. But that’s purely marginal.
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Chatika vas Paus wrote:
Indeed! I didn’t know it’s a battery indicator.
But I noticed that my “HOT” is not in the middle. Perfectionist’s hell. Angry

ah wow.. that would annoy me like hell Facepalm they really need to make sure stuff like this dont go outside their factory…. come on

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Works on Firefox.

Have you check (ALL) check  box options?

Including Accessories? IE: None?

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fluke wrote:

Works on Firefox.


Have you check (ALL) check  box options?


Including Accessories? IE: None?


Thanks. I’ll have to re-check that. You’d think that any required fields would be highlighted if not selected, rather than simply preventing the “Add to Cart” button from functioning.
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pics of the copper is on neals fb page.. looks nice

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Anyone know the N times default config for Floor and Ceiling Cfg? I have changed it and now the Ceil it’s almost the same to the turbo.

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