I see a high current 14500. Oh yeah, finally something worthwhile in this format.
Thanks
Could you help me?
Why did all my pictures disappear?
I quoted links to pictures that could be displayed before.
Now it’s gone.
When I look at the source of the first post – there are image links there.
Copying a link and opening in another tab shows me image – so this is working.
However when I reload the BLF site and look at network requests – my browser tries to load the images but your server refuses to give them with error “403 Forbidden”.
I don’t know maybe your web admin added some embedding “protection”?
Anyway the issue seems to be with your image host.
I see a high current 14500. Oh yeah, finally something worthwhile in this format.
Thanks
Could you help me?
Why did all my pictures disappear?
I quoted links to pictures that could be displayed before.
Now it’s gone.
When I look at the source of the first post – there are image links there.
Copying a link and opening in another tab shows me image – so this is working.
However when I reload the BLF site and look at network requests – my browser tries to load the images but your server refuses to give them with error “403 Forbidden”.
I don’t know maybe your web admin added some embedding “protection”?
Anyway the issue seems to be with your image host.
Thank you very much. I uploaded photos on a different website.
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The human mind, and its programming, is at the forefront of a particular battle of The Light vs evil dark forces. Nearly every human being on this beautiful planet “Earth” has some sort of negative mind programming in its mind. And you better take care of your mind programming, or someone else will in this wicked world.
Sometimes you get higher capacity at higher discharge rate because the battery “doesn’t get discharged completely”. This is why energy is a much precise way to measure the real capacity because it can be translated directly into lumens/hours.
I concur energy is a more precise way of measuring absolute performance or delivered energy.
Johm wrote:
Capacity is the whole are below the line in this graph not just the finishing point.
The area below the line curve is delivered energy, which is the integral of the voltage curve over the delivered capacity for the given voltage range and discharge rate. Or something like that, haven't touched formal maths for ages.
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The human mind, and its programming, is at the forefront of a particular battle of The Light vs evil dark forces. Nearly every human being on this beautiful planet “Earth” has some sort of negative mind programming in its mind. And you better take care of your mind programming, or someone else will in this wicked world.
Sometimes you get higher capacity at higher discharge rate because the battery “doesn’t get discharged completely”. This is why energy is a much precise way to measure the real capacity because it can be translated directly into lumens/hours.
… the discharge capacity of large current may exceed that of small current.
Why is that?
Because of temperature induced chemistry reactions inside the cell. As a general rule heat improves the performance to some extent, chemistry dependent of course. While lots of modern cells do not show increased capacity at larger discharge ratios, increased heat reduction in internal resistance is common.
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The human mind, and its programming, is at the forefront of a particular battle of The Light vs evil dark forces. Nearly every human being on this beautiful planet “Earth” has some sort of negative mind programming in its mind. And you better take care of your mind programming, or someone else will in this wicked world.
… the discharge capacity of large current may exceed that of small current.
Why is that?
Because of temperature induced chemistry reactions inside the cell. As a general rule heat improves the performance to some extent, chemistry dependent of course. While lots of modern cells do not show increased capacity at larger discharge ratios, increased heat reduction in internal resistance is common.
That was my thought as well. I have seen li-ions that were cold and run under a 3 amp discharge actual slightly increase in voltage as they were being discharged because the internal heat from being discharged warmed the cell which gives it the ability to provide more current. Since the discharge current is constant the cell doesn’t have to work as hard warm so the voltage goes up slightly. A warm cell will give more capacity in a discharge test than a cold one in my experience.
… the discharge capacity of large current may exceed that of small current.
Why is that?
Because of temperature induced chemistry reactions inside the cell. As a general rule heat improves the performance to some extent, chemistry dependent of course. While lots of modern cells do not show increased capacity at larger discharge ratios, increased heat reduction in internal resistance is common.
That was my thought as well. I have seen li-ions that were cold and run under a 3 amp discharge actual slightly increase in voltage as they were being discharged because the internal heat from being discharged warmed the cell which gives it the ability to provide more current. Since the discharge current is constant the cell doesn’t have to work as hard warm so the voltage goes up slightly. A warm cell will give more capacity in a discharge test than a cold one in my experience.
No problem. It may just be the nature of this charger/analyzer (Lii-500). It consistently indicates lower capacity figures on all cells I test with it by about 5-6%.
No problem. It may just be the nature of this charger/analyzer (Lii-500). It consistently indicates lower capacity figures on all cells I test with it by about 5-6%.
If I am correct, Vapcell measures capacity with 0.2C, which gives 150mA instead of 500. Maybe, this is the reason of the difference?
No problem. It may just be the nature of this charger/analyzer (Lii-500). It consistently indicates lower capacity figures on all cells I test with it by about 5-6%.
If I am correct, Vapcell measures capacity with 0.2C, which gives 150mA instead of 500. Maybe, this is the reason of the difference?
The chart they posted (see below) shows them measuring capacity using various current levels, starting with as low as 0.5A and going up to 8A. At 0.5A, their tested capacity is 812mAh. The main difference is their cutoff voltage is 2.5V. Mine is 2.8V, but there can’t be much capacity left there at that point.
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When I look at the source of the first post – there are image links there.
Copying a link and opening in another tab shows me image – so this is working.
However when I reload the BLF site and look at network requests – my browser tries to load the images but your server refuses to give them with error “403 Forbidden”.
I don’t know maybe your web admin added some embedding “protection”?
Anyway the issue seems to be with your image host.
Thank you very much. I uploaded photos on a different website.
Now it’s all right.
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Looking at the below discharge graph, this 16340 has more capacity at 5A than at 2A? Something doesn’t sound right.
Anyway, I ordered a few from illumn to try.
The fact we cannot understand something does not make it impossible. Such phenomena can happen. For example:
Source: HKJ's comparator and review of Samsung ICR18650-30B 3000mAh (Green) @ lygte-info.dk.
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The human mind, and its programming, is at the forefront of a particular battle of The Light vs evil dark forces. Nearly every human being on this beautiful planet “Earth” has some sort of negative mind programming in its mind. And you better take care of your mind programming, or someone else will in this wicked world.
In general, I’d just ignore mAh readings. Wh is a much better indicator of capacity.
My 16340 800mAh Vapcells still haven’t arrived even though I ordered them on April 4th. Once they were returned by customs and sent again.
Capacity is the whole are below the line in this graph not just the finishing point.
The Vapcell 16340’s I tested at 3 amps seem to follow the supplied graphs pretty well. It’s the best 16340 I have tested.
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I was referring to the actual capacity values listed in the table directly below the graph.
Sometimes you get higher capacity at higher discharge rate because the battery “doesn’t get discharged completely”. This is why energy is a much precise way to measure the real capacity because it can be translated directly into lumens/hours.
USB power meter/tester thread
I concur energy is a more precise way of measuring absolute performance or delivered energy.
The area below the line curve is delivered energy, which is the integral of the voltage curve over the delivered capacity for the given voltage range and discharge rate. Or something like that, haven't touched formal maths for ages.
Please avoid fully quoting lenghty posts, namely with nested quotes. Trim quotes down to the essential. Helps with neatness and legibility. Thanks.
The human mind, and its programming, is at the forefront of a particular battle of The Light vs evil dark forces. Nearly every human being on this beautiful planet “Earth” has some sort of negative mind programming in its mind. And you better take care of your mind programming, or someone else will in this wicked world.
When the battery is discharged to 2.5V, the discharge capacity of large current may exceed that of small current. But there won’t be much difference.
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Nice test，
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sincerely apologize for the delay in shipment.
Hope to be in your hands as soon as possible.
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Thanks you very much
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Why is that?
energy is More important。 AH*V=WH
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Because of temperature induced chemistry reactions inside the cell. As a general rule heat improves the performance to some extent, chemistry dependent of course. While lots of modern cells do not show increased capacity at larger discharge ratios, increased heat reduction in internal resistance is common.
Please avoid fully quoting lenghty posts, namely with nested quotes. Trim quotes down to the essential. Helps with neatness and legibility. Thanks.
The human mind, and its programming, is at the forefront of a particular battle of The Light vs evil dark forces. Nearly every human being on this beautiful planet “Earth” has some sort of negative mind programming in its mind. And you better take care of your mind programming, or someone else will in this wicked world.
That was my thought as well. I have seen li-ions that were cold and run under a 3 amp discharge actual slightly increase in voltage as they were being discharged because the internal heat from being discharged warmed the cell which gives it the ability to provide more current. Since the discharge current is constant the cell doesn’t have to work as hard warm so the voltage goes up slightly. A warm cell will give more capacity in a discharge test than a cold one in my experience.
V11R and V10R Current Mod
So do I.
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Ordered 2 pieces of 10440 batteries from the aliexpress store. Will check them out
Thanks again for getting us a new type nice battery Dennis.
link to djozz tests
Got my 16340 cells from Illumn.
Capacity test using 500 mA discharge current on Lii-500:
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IR, measured using a DMM and resistors:
Cell 1: 0.21 Ohm
Cell 2: 0.20 Ohm
10440 shouldn’t have a button top option? I will see if it will reach the positive contact in my DQG Tiny.
we have button top , we will add it in web,sorry
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Thanks for the test, a bit low cap
we test it more than 750mah
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Is it possible to add this button top to my current order? It is awaiting shipment at this moment.
yeah， contact Ali Customer service staff to change it
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No problem. It may just be the nature of this charger/analyzer (Lii-500). It consistently indicates lower capacity figures on all cells I test with it by about 5-6%.
If I am correct, Vapcell measures capacity with 0.2C, which gives 150mA instead of 500. Maybe, this is the reason of the difference?
The chart they posted (see below) shows them measuring capacity using various current levels, starting with as low as 0.5A and going up to 8A. At 0.5A, their tested capacity is 812mAh. The main difference is their cutoff voltage is 2.5V. Mine is 2.8V, but there can’t be much capacity left there at that point.
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