I can’t believe I went to all that trouble to write out a thoughtful response and your response is just, “Well, that’s like your opinion man.” Stupid me. Won’t waste my time in the future.
1. My sentences often begin with qualifiers like, “I believe”, “I feel”, and “I see” when I want to be clear that something is based on my thoughts and reasoning.
2. You stated your opinions about BoP and Dune as facts and treated them like evidence. e.g. Somehow, your enjoyment-based opinion that Birds of Prey deserved a 7.5/10 and got a 6.1/10 is some kind of smoking gun.
3. You ignored all of my larger points to accuse me of criticizing your for having a different opinion, which I did not do. I pointed out that your opinions do not constitute evidence and/or were not facts.
4. I backed up my opinions with facts and reasoning and you didn’t take the time to do the same in response.
This is England series.
First of it all I really like and admire Shane Meadows and his movies. Dead Man’s Shoes, Somers Town, A Room for Romeo Brass, TwentyFourSeven are foking brilliant.
They have a story, meaning, are different that all mainstream shit. Makes you think, not just swallow pulp served.
Are they good? I enjoyed it, it’s one of the movies I would watch again. There are not many.
First is This Is England 2006
You said, "That doesn't explain why Birds of Prey currently has a 6.1 on IMDb. It should have at least a 7.5." Your opinion is that BoP should have a 7.5/10 but the way you phrase this makes it sound like 7.5 is the answer to a mathematical equation.
It'd be like a math student saying, I don't understand how 5x+7 = 12. I think 5x+7 = 17. It's as if the student has already solved for X in a separate problem and had determined the value of X is 2.
When I asked, "What are you basing that off of besides how much you enjoyed the film?" I was asking what you thought X was. What is the factor that makes your conclusion make sense? You ignored the question and just got angry.
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I also don't have to back up opinions with facts--they're opinions.
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As far as I know that's how discussions work. If someone asks you about an opinion or challenges it, you explain your reasoning or offer some supporting facts. Avoiding that is avoiding discussion.
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I don't have to start my sentences with “I believe”, “I feel”, and “I see” just because they are opinions. People express opinions all the time without “I believe”, “I feel”, or “I see.”
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I didn't say you did. That wasn't why I brought it up. I was trying to demonstrate the difference in the way we were using our opinions in relation to our assertions.
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Plus, this thread in particular is about people's opinions of movies, so the vast majority of the views expressed will be opinions.
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Again, opinions are not the problem. Using an opinion to bolster an argument rather than explaining your thought process or pointing out facts is what is bothering me. If you don't want to discuss it, say " I don't want to discuss it" rather than blustering about all posts being opinion-based.
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You criticize me for stating my opinion, all the meanwhile stating your own opinion.
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No, again. I pointed out that a statement you made was based on opinion and invited you to explain your reasoning. You did not explain. Ask me to explain an opinion I have and I absolutely will.
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That is the act of a hypocrite, and that is the problem I have with you.
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Nice, just attack my character. Don't explain any positions you hold or ask me about mine. Just go straight for my character.
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By the way, I don't have a problem with your opinions.
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You could have fooled me. I took the time to explain my reasoning and you ignored it almost completely. I bet you didn't even read everything I wrote.
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We are all entitled to our opinions.
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Definitely, but if our posts were to consist of us simply stating our opinions and nobody ever questioned or explained anything then this would not be a discussion board, it would be an opinion board.
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Now, if you don't mind, this argument is getting old, so why don't we just agree to disagree?
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Thanks to you avoiding all discussion revolving around the original topic, I have no idea exactly what we disagree on there. But apparently we disagree on what constitutes a discussion.
Seems like your definition of a discussion is something like this:
P1: Hi, here is my opinion
P2: That's nice
P2: Here is my opinion
P1. That's nice
P2. ...............
P1. ...............
P1. Have a nice day
P2. Yea you too.
This exchange may be considered a more-or-less pleasant exchange but it is not a true exchange of ideas. It is the most superficial interaction possible.
Edit: someone said/posted something earlier about the dialogue in movies (Dune specifically, but then a link to stuff about theater sound etc…)…
I feel like I mentioned this already…if so I apologize, but I’ve taken to watching everything with subtitles on because of tinnitus + random noises (wife + airplanes). Makes a HUGE difference.
I actually watched Dune at home first, then my friends (who’d been on vacation) came back and wanted to see it in the theater. Couldn’t make out half the dialogue, and also weirdly a lot of the scenes were way too dark to see (I remember a scene with the Harkonnen + The Duke, cutting to a Buffalo head on the wall, couldn’t see the Buffalo head…)
Oh, and if you watch South Park, you get to see what Kenny says…so I’ve been told…
IMHO, the original Dune movie has taken on a different feeling over time. I appreciate it more, actually. There was a ton of artistic talent that went into making it. Yeah, it wasn’t always true to the book… and unfortunately, some of the CGI looks worse than 1957’s Forbidden Planet (which made heavy use of graphics over matte paintings), all the while the original Star Wars movie had come out 7 years prior and had vastly superior graphics. There are some real ‘dead spots’ where it moves slowly. But the casting was very good.
The new Dune movie is better than I’d expected. It’s going to be painful waiting for the sequel, though… since they split it up.
They split the book, but they didn’t film one movie and then split it; I can appreciate that. The amazing part that they made a Part I without having a green light for Part II. It was risky but it looks like it paid off since Part II is now green-lit.
The way The Hobbit was adapted though… The Hobbit is written at a lower reading level than LotR and is 95,356 words long and they made it into three movies. The Fellowship of the Ring is 187,790 words and it got one movie! I would be in favor of a longer adaption of Lord of the Rings some day. Maybe not a 6 movie series, but a 9 part miniseries could work.
Serviceable action schlock, just as I remembered. It’s surprisingly funny at times. The explosion effects are good and the action is fairly well-shot (not too much shaky cam, fight scenes have a sense of space, actual choreography). However, there are a couple of really bad CGI gore moments. For example, at one point a knife pierces someone from behind and it’s really obvious that the tip of the blade emerging from his chest is CGI.
The sound design for the action scenes was quite good on this movie. I’m sure it isn’t 100% realistic but it was impactful and no sounds were glaringly mismatched to the visuals. I saw the Monster Hunter movie last year and I no longer take that for granted.