A solution to manufacturing marks in brass pills

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Beachlogger wrote:
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Sorry for stupid question, but why dont you make top surface of the pill totally flat , without any cavity / edges for LED star? May be it will be a bit harder to place star exactly at the center, but more easy to make it perfectly flat / polished.

Not a stupid question at all Grad

Now this is one of those questions that seems so logical
indeed a flat surface with the two holes for screwing in and our.
Why the flip not?
The hole now used in alost all plls s not a perfect match anyway, so centering is always needed and not done by the pill…

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Andrew2007……… priceless. Thumbs Up .. Wink

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The Miller wrote:
Beachlogger wrote:
pro22000 wrote:
Sorry for stupid question, but why dont you make top surface of the pill totally flat , without any cavity / edges for LED star? May be it will be a bit harder to place star exactly at the center, but more easy to make it perfectly flat / polished.

Not a stupid question at all Grad

Now this is one of those questions that seems so logical
indeed a flat surface with the two holes for screwing in and our.
Why the flip not?
The hole now used in alost all plls s not a perfect match anyway, so centering is always needed and not done by the pill…

All that is needed is instead of a ridge that centers the mcpcb is 3 holes where 3 pegs are placed

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Pretty sure the design that is in place is to help the manufacturer’s employees assemble the light as quickly and reliably as possible. They don’t typically go out of their way to design a light for a modder to work on easier down the line… I know everyone here thinks we are the be all end all to the flashlight realm, but we are a mere speck on the windshield of life… as far as I know they make these by the tens of thousands and sell them primarily in China. We account for a few hundred lights. The rejects, if you will. Wink

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You know, I think what we all need to realize ( myself included ) is that Jaxman is not making hosts for modders. He is making flashlights to sell. He is doing it in a manner that works for him and does indeed produce a top quality product in my opinion.

He has not asked any one of us for suggestions on how he can improve his production process. He has simply shared how they do the process to produce the lights they produce.

He was going to sell us a few hosts in a group buy so we could mod them as we wished.
But that would mean that it would have been up to us to come up with our own LED adapters if we were going to use an LED that did not have a 5×5 mm footprint.

That would mean if the pill had a few rough edges it would be up to us to smooth them out (by whatever means we chose), just as they do in China when they assemble the Jaxman lights.

He simply told us how they did it. Whether anyone of us agrees with what he does makes not one bit of difference. He is the one building Jaxman flashlights….. not us.

His lights are well thought out and the parts designed to fit & work together for the lights he produces. And as far as I am concerned the lights are top notch.

If this “group buy” had not crashed and burned, it would have been up to us as “modders” to be “modders” and work out the minute details. Not look to Jaxman to provide them all.

Sadly, I can’t fault him for pulling the plug. Sad

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Well said teacher.

I now have the Z1, X1 and X6 Hunter… going to be looking at the rest of the line-up and adding some family members for sure. Smile

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Just fyi.. None of these manu's are perfect - some bad things slip in. I recall buying 2 Nitecore's at the same time, same specs, and one performed 20% lower than the other, same cells, same everything. Do any you guys recall ThruNite leaving the kapton tape on underneath that beauty of a giant copper MCPCB in the TN31? I came across a couple of them when modding - you'd never know, maybe a few % loss of output, maybe the LED dies after continuous use, who knows - I'm sure most went unnoticed.

Devil is in the details, and in the attempt to achieve 100% quality. I'm glad to see Jaxman is concerned about it, but we dunno if it's the 1/1000, 1/100 or 2/10,etc. The centered bump up under the MCPCB could be sold to 1,000's of happy customers, and not have a clue that heat xfer is somewhat, maybe marginally limited. I've found many lights with this bump up from the machining process, and have the MCPCB rocking around on top of it.

Us modders can see it, where typical customers will never, but it's a good thing we can bring it to there attention. I can tell you, Jaxman is 10000% better handling this input than Warsun ever was, least in my experience.

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DB Custom wrote:
Well said teacher.

I now have the Z1, X1 and X6 Hunter… going to be looking at the rest of the line-up and adding some family members for sure. Smile

Same here, agree and I am looking at the rest of their line to add!

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DB Custom wrote:
Pretty sure the design that is in place is to help the manufacturer’s employees assemble the light as quickly and reliably as possible. They don’t typically go out of their way to design a light for a modder to work on easier down the line… I know everyone here thinks we are the be all end all to the flashlight realm, but we are a mere speck on the windshield of life… as far as I know they make these by the tens of thousands and sell them primarily in China. We account for a few hundred lights. The rejects, if you will. Wink

Excellent commentary DB! You hit the nail on the head. We must have been typing at the same time….. Wink

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DB Custom wrote:
Well said teacher.

I now have the Z1, X1 and X6 Hunter… going to be looking at the rest of the line-up and adding some family members for sure. Smile

Same here, agree and I am looking at the rest of their line to add!


Thank you DB!
Just as you and leroycp have said, I too plan on expanding my “Jaxman Tribe”. Wink

Well put also Tom E ! I totally agree. Thumbs Up

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teacher wrote:
DB Custom wrote:
Pretty sure the design that is in place is to help the manufacturer’s employees assemble the light as quickly and reliably as possible. They don’t typically go out of their way to design a light for a modder to work on easier down the line… I know everyone here thinks we are the be all end all to the flashlight realm, but we are a mere speck on the windshield of life… as far as I know they make these by the tens of thousands and sell them primarily in China. We account for a few hundred lights. The rejects, if you will. Wink

Excellent commentary DB! You hit the nail on the head. We must have been typing at the same time….. Wink

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DB Custom wrote:
Well said teacher.

I now have the Z1, X1 and X6 Hunter… going to be looking at the rest of the line-up and adding some family members for sure. Smile

Same here, agree and I am looking at the rest of their line to add!


Thank you DB!
Just as you and leroycp have said, I too plan on expanding my “Jaxman Tribe”. Wink

Well put also Tom E ! I totally agree. Thumbs Up


I haven’t had much time for reading lately but I just got caught up on this. I agree with everything said above by those you mentioned. I didn’t realize Jaxman had completely pulled the plug on this. That’s a shame but the reasons aren’t too hard to figure out. He’s one man with a small company working very hard and producing exceptional products. I think he was essentially doing these few hosts as a favor to BLF but unfortunately things got ugly. I don’t own a Jaxman light yet but I certainly will at some point.
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Let me recommend the X1 as a starter… it’s a one piece construction with the big brass pill threading in from on top with a bezel holding the reflector in, then a standard tail cap at the rear. There is no battery tube to unscrew, one piece with the head. Very robust, excellently done. Mine came with an XP-L HI in it and it’s a sweet little light. The bezel has a strip of knurling on it that matches the strips of knurling on the handle portion, it’s consistent with the way the Z1 is made and is only slightly larger than the “closed” Z1. Same superb ano.

With the Z1, X1 and X6 Hunter front and center on my shelves, I could probably dismiss a lot of the lights I’ve gathered over the past 3 years. Smile

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Yeah I like the looks of the X1 too, very much.
Hopefully I have some good news tomorrow (or well, later today since it is past midnight Wink ) , I asked for a Z1 restart, a bit simpler then before (and of course did mention in my email before the one of today that the X1 as host would be great and probably get more people interested since zoomies are not as popular so it seems) so let’s see what is possible,

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