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What is the brightest budget light?

What's the bightest/highest lumens(1000+) light out there in the budget world?

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Man that is asking a lot......time for me to look around.

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The Romisen RC-T6 is probably nudging 500 lumens on high. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15686

 

Some of the 2 x 18650 lights would be worth a look. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.18071 comes to mind.

 

But 5-700 lumens is probably your lot unless you want to modify something yourself.

 

There are some beamshots here of the brighter lights I own. All of these are budget lights except the Fenix. Most of them, I've had for a while but I'm not aware of much that's brighter for not too much money. Note that these beamshots are NOT comparable to my usual ones as the test range is rather more reflective than usual

 

DX has a few lights running the Luminus SST-50 emitter that could be capable of a lot of light if driven hard, but their stock drivers don't

Aurora SH-45 - http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33618

Aurora SH-44 - http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33619

Aurora SH-43 - http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33617

Aurora SH-42 - http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33616

Aurora SH-40 - http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33615  

 

This one claims 1200 lumens but that will be right!! Even at 800 it is still pumping out a lot of light but look for Romisen RC-T6 beamshots, the beam will be like that, but brighter. That is, assuming they can actually get them from the factory - I've just cancelled an order for one after three months of no stock - I strongly suspect they only ever had a test batch and the factory decided they were uneconomic to produce at that price. I ordered one the day DX announced it.

 

There's a review here of an other large 600 lumen light.

 

There are alternatives.

Get a 2 D Maglite

Get two of these lithium ion D cells (Assuming you already have a charger that can charge lithium batteries) from Kaidomain. $34 These cells do need to be treated with respect and recharged when the light starts to dim.

Get one of these shortened springs - the standard Mag spring is too long for this purpose $4

The bulb we are going to use runs way hotter than the Maglite one and will melt the plastic lens and reflector. 

So we get a KD smooth metal reflector for most throw and an ugly beam $13

Or an orange peel one for a prettier but less throwy beam $15

We are up to $53 assuming the more expensive reflector

Get a glass lens KD's fancy coated one for $6 or be a cheapskate like me and get 5 uncoated ones for $3 from DX We've now spent $51-59

Then drop ten dollars on a pair of ROP bulbs which Lighthound are out of just now. These are a 24W and an 11W bulb which are being a bit overdriven by the two lithium cells. the H bulb is the high power one and has a pointy top. It will run for an hour on these cells and give over 1000 lumens up to maybe 1200-1300 if you start fixing resistance and generally shortening the life of the bulb - which is not a long time to start with.You'll get around two hours on the low bulb.

 

Under $70 that's the most light you are going to get at present.

 

Anyone who knows better, please feel free to correct me.

 

 

 

 

 

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Hey don any beam shots of the moded mag

 

 

 

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 There is one here near the bottom of my WF-503B review. http://www.jayki.com/flashlight_review_board/6165.

The other one is near the end of another review here. http://www.jayki.com/6484

 

Next time I'm out of town where I've got more room, I'll drag out the bigger lights and do some comparisons. If I can get all the batteries charged and the roads aren't blocked with snow and, it must be said, if I remember to bring the lights, I have to go about 70 miles out of town on Sunday so may be able to get some beamshots in the evening.

 

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It was a green Mag 2D that I got when TKMaxx were selling them cheap modded as per the recipe above.

The head

KD metal reflector, DX glass lens

 

The parts

The cells have a recessed top, they are held together by magnets - you need to either buy a shortened tailspring or cut down the Mag one.

 

The beam

The light on the left is a just-received LED thrower which may be making 350 lumens, the ROP is a bit down on output, it is the back door light for dog spotting and it hasn't been charged for a couple of weeks.

You can see that the ROP has maxed out the sensor while the LED hasn't. And it is a very bright light.

 

Easy mod, pretty cheap, runs for an hour and heaps of light. I have a 6D one running on 6 LSD D cells which can be brighter than this but is not currently working - Mag switches have been cheapened I think and don't like 4-5A through them. They used to be good for 10A.

 

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Cool Thanks mate, looks like you have decided what lite i should get next for me Smile

 

 

 

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I can't find a UK source of supply for the 3854 bulbs though and stuff from the US may well end up hitting you for import duty and VAT. A pack of two bulbs, 1 high, and 1 low is $10 + $14 P&P. That is safely below the UK import duty limit and seems a bit steep when the flat rate envelope they use costs $5.25 (or did 2 years ago - no idea what US postage rates are). Pelican have a European base in Germany but their website doesn't show the bulbs. That works out at £15 for the two bulbs so is safe for import duty etc. Two packs of 2 comes to $34 £22 which means some VAT and the 8 quid clearance charge by the Post Office. Two packs in the same envelope will probably cost you more!

 

The high bulbs don't last a huge time - maybe 6-10 hours, they are being brutally overdriven. I'm actively looking for a European source since I'm on my last high bulb.

 

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That TR-1200 looks interesting, but if it's unattainable.:(

I like the idea of the ROP, which I've wanted to build anyway.  I'm also looking at these or something similar, I don't care if they're led, incandescent, or hid.

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.20233

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.20231

http://kaidomain.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductId=8783

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270526998943&ssPageNa...

 

Thanks for the great suggestions

 

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In the case of Maglite design, I'd have to say that the cloners beat Maglite in their own game.  I really don't like the maglight switch, it's too small.  I used to work outdoors at night in the cold and snow with a D-cell Maglite, and with gloves I just couldn't operate that switch.  The chinese lights that have a big, bulging, tailcap clicky switch are far superior for access with a fat, gloved thumb.

 

Thanks for the nice pictures as usual, Don!

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cccpull wrote:

That TR-1200 looks interesting, but if it's unattainable.:(

I like the idea of the ROP, which I've wanted to build anyway.  I'm also looking at these or something similar, I don't care if they're led, incandescent, or hid.

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.20233

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.20231

http://kaidomain.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductId=8783

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270526998943&ssPageNa...

 

Thanks for the great suggestions

 

 

The first one is a WiseLED clone at a fraction of the price. Here's a CPF link to it. I suspect it'll have a beam like the romisen RC-T6, not a thrower, but pumping out so much light you won't notice. It will have quite a fat body to accommodate the 3x18650s in it but it is short.

the second one to me offers nothing that a well-sorted ROP won't for less money - you pays your money and you takes your choice. Using C lithium cells and a 2C Mag will make it slimmer than the 2D, and possibly slimmer, though longer than this incan light.

I've always fancied an Ostar light, though those 6 die LEDs are a couple of years old now and need about 20V to light up - battery life is likely to be short.

the last one, Costco in the US periodically clear out HID lights for less than $80. Worth looking through CPF Marketplace for a look.

 

There's several of those I'd fancy myself if I didn't already have comparable stuff. If the KD Ostar one were half the price I'd probably get one. Looks like it'd run off a car battery too.

 

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Excellent list here guys.  Want me to make it sticky at the top of the forum list?

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These things are fun - just not necessarily the most practical of lights. Got a new one yesterday which has a small problem, the battery needs to be pushed the best part of a centimetre down into the tube, the spring loaded tail post is about 4mm long. Doesn't work very well...

 

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Stickied...

 

I hope that wasn't a $40 - $50 model that arrived not working Don?

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It's a Raidlight Spear clone. I ordered one with a Q5 emitter in it and got one with an MC-E in it. Multi-die emitters don't really make a lot of sense in a dedicated thrower. However, it was lighting up roofs brightly about 350m away last night as I took the dog round the local swamp park. Did a quick bodge with some magnets to push the cell deeper into the barrel.

 

Just been brazing some small coins together to add length to the contact post which should fix the flickering issues. Pity the torch ran out of gas. Plan was to braze the coins together then wrap heatshrink round the outside and use it as a spacer. Come to think of it I have some battery spacers for one of my chargers. 

 

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  http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=259443. CPF does have its uses.

 

Also has pics of an insanely expensive ROP which to me totally misses the point.  

 

If I wanted to go down that road I'd go for Philips 5761 bulbs, soft start and silly, silly money. But rather a lot of light.

 

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12V / 100W halogen spotlights are the most Lumens / $$.

They typically are in the ~1300L (bulb lumens) range.  I got this one for $19.

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/8782/dscn6146l.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5370/dscn6145.jpg

 

At $79, the Stanley HID is also a real bargain.  It will out-throw an Olight ST90.  I am not sure what its lumen output is though.

 

 

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Where did you get that one for 19 bones.....those are not even at that price range.....I have a 55w BD light that my wife bought for me years ago and that only gets used once in awhile.

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12V / 100W halogen spotlights are the most Lumens / $$.

They typically are in the ~1300L (bulb lumens) range.  I got this one for $19.

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/8782/dscn6146l.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5370/dscn6145.jpg

 

At $79, the Stanley HID is also a real bargain.  It will out-throw an Olight ST90.  I am not sure what its lumen output is though.

$19.?  Now that's what I call a budgetlight!  Big Smile

 

 

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This was used for long range.....but the only thing that i didnt like about it was that the continuous use was only 10m......

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My wife picked it up at a Big Lots discount store.  I replaced the 100W H4 bulb with a 55W bulb, its filament is aligned axially so it really THROWS.

 

its one of my brightest lights, even with the lower wattage lamp.

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You could do a lot worse than the good old Ultrafire C3. Just the plain, poor quality aluminium one. When loaded with a 14500 they are crazy bright (and flaky but easy enough to sort out).

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.18305

Avoid the multi-mode ones and avoid the Aurora equivalents like the plague - they are really flaky.

 

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Dang the wife and i shop there sometimes and all i see are the plastic cheap lights that all stores carrry.

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Dang the wife and i shop there sometimes and all i see are the plastic cheap lights that all stores carrry.

 

Yeah it was a one in a million thing... right place at the right time.  My brother went to 4-5 different stores before he finally found one.

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I have the Pro Favorite 20 million cp model (120watt bulb), the Etek HID(4300k bulb) and Brinkmann Max III with a 100watt bulb, although they are a lot of fun they are also a pain to carry around.  I was really referring to flashlights not spotlights.

 

The tr-1200 still seems to be the best deal, the Trustfire st-50 looks real interesting, and at the moment I'm waiting to see what Shiningbeam puts out with the new MG RX-1 st-50 model.

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DinoDirect wrote:

hey, huys!

Maybe you don't know there is another good place to get the bright and budget flashlights what you are interested in, that is DinoDirect.

If you are still hesitate, pls chek here:

http://www.dinodirect.com/led-flashlight-1200lumen-cree-mc-e-yg-1200l.html

http://www.dinodirect.com/RoMisen-1500-Lumens-LED-Flashlight-RC-T6.html

http://www.dinodirect.com/superfire-flashlight-sst-50-1200lumens-3mode-led-l2.html

i an sure you may have some ides after seen that, best regards!

 

Nice try, none of these come even near to 1000 lumens.

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That 5xCree may be close.

 

Unfortunately, the problem with chinese vendors/suppliers that they push out hundreds of products, all with confusing branding, and nobody guarentees specs on anything. Could be good, could be bad, but if no one can tell, why put any effort into a good product?

 

It hardly cost anything, and if anything cost less, to stick with a few quality products. It's a poor mentality they have that they'll put out 100 items, and even if they can fool a few people to buy each one, they can make at least a couple thousand dollars. Of course, that may be the last couple dollars they''ll make, but hey, get rich quick. They have absolutely no real business sense. That's why companies in the west can make millions and billions, and they fight over crumbs.

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It hardly cost anything, and if anything cost less, to stick with a few quality products. It's a poor mentality they have that they'll put out 100 items, and even if they can fool a few people to buy each one, they can make at least a couple thousand dollars. Of course, that may be the last couple dollars they''ll make, but hey, get rich quick. They have absolutely no real business sense. That's why companies in the west can make millions and billions, and they fight over crumbs.

 

This is far from the whole story. If I look around me, probably 80% of the manufactured items in this house, including the chair I am sitting on and the shoes I am wearing, were made in China. This is true for much of the planet. OK it may be Western firms that are creaming off all the profits - 500% markups appear to be the norm but who made them? One day the huge profit making stuff will also be done in China.

 

Except for the surgical tools that were all made in Pakistan. The expensive European branded ones are simply Pakistani ones with better chroming.

 

In the nineteenth century one of the bigger exports from the US to Europe (apart from raw materials where all the profit is in what is done with them) was affordable clocks. The clocks were made as cheaply as it is possible to make a clock mechanism but sold in huge amounts to European distributors who put the cheap and nasty mechanisms into cases and sold them at a huge markup. This is nothing new.

 

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OK it may be Western firms that are creaming off all the profits - 500% markups appear to be the norm but who made them? One day the huge profit making stuff will also be done in China.

 

No, the story I tell is quite the whole one, especially for smaller podunk firms like the ones we deal with here. I talk about the mentality because I've seen and been told about it first hand by people who do business there. It's the disease which along with corruption is keeping the country down. It's small mindedness and greed: quick buck today at the expense of tomorrow is how people do business when they don't have proper business education/training.

 

There's a reason why the western firms are making all the money while the hard laborers in china make jack shit. One understands how to conduct big business properly and one doesn't. From the frustrations we deal with in our budget hobby, I think this should be quite clear.

 

For example, in business school, you're taught to market certain products in 3 tiers. For the same mass product with possible differentiators, you have the low end basic, often loss leader, model to bring in the customer's interest. Then you have the medium tier model which has all the standard features most people want for a reasonable increase, and that's what most people would buy because the former is purposely somewhat crippled. Finally what you need is the top deluxe version which is purposely not a good value, and while some people will always may more for the best model, the point is to help the majority of your customers justify and find the value in their purchase. Instead, you see from china dozens of complete randomly permutated models from the same make, even for the same kind of light.

 

Ultrafire needs to stick to one general purpose medium size (18650?) cree light, the "best" but distinguished design (eg 504b with a twist in style), with maybe the lowest bin and no modes for cheap light, a good bin with modes for the one everyone buys, and a quad-die or xp-g with programmable modes for best model, and make all 3 with consistent quality. If you need to introduce a new model, don't just throw it up on the DX site; you need to announce the new big thing (2011 models!) and even build up a sense of anticipation at regular intervals. Then people aren't confused which one to get and why does the one I get differ from what my friend got last week, etc. While we addicts will buy all the variants, most normal people won't and that's where the money is.

 

From DX's persepective, they need to apply this pressure to the supplier instead of getting dragged along by them, but of course they won't because they feel the few pennies they make selling a few extra models on their site to some small time third-world buyer is totally worth it. Narrow minded thinking is what limits their business, and ironically we see dozens of copy-cats of exactly what they do WRONG. They have absolutely no business discipline and that's why they'll easily get crushed by any western company if they ever find some market segment that's making real money.

 

Again, a lot of good business practice is counterintuitive to those without the education, and usually the ones we see are the overly greedy type (the ones who made the mistake of going the other way tend to get squeezed out by the time they get to us in the west). What I'm saying is more constructive criticism than bashing, but of course they don't listen because they're idiots so I guess it might as well be bashing.

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