At least I agree with him.
http://news.msn.com/us/judge-towns-speeding-cameras-are-3-card-monty-scam
I saw this earlier today. The camera contractors make off like bandits but their cameras aren’t really addressing safety concerns as promised. In fact, some implementations of these cameras deliberately program extremely short yellow lights to catch you, which is inherently UNsafe when informed drivers are slamming on their brakes to avoid being caught running a red.
Right you are Slim!
Why on earth would you let private contractors get a percent of the fines! Just asking for trouble.
That only applies to the people who roll over and pay. Problem is, “cowardice” does not equal “dishonor”. But the outcome is the same.
Fight these and win, virtually every time. The violations of your Rights (object during trial in a timely fashion!!!) will guarantee a spot in the Appeals Courts, which aren’t afraid of the local judge or the cops. If you don’t know the Law, hire an attorney and at least put your money to an honorable use! (Think of it this way: When your neighbors cower in fear and you rise to defend them from harm and injustice, what does that make you?)
But I’m just
Dim.
Whilst I hate speed camera’s with a vengeance (check my location, trust me, I see far more camera’s than you do) you only get done if your speeding. Its quite clear cut like that.
Oh and if you think those huge boxes are bad, wait till you see the ones built into the armco for on motorways……
Just about the only thing I like about the M6 north of you is that they’ve removed all the speed cameras. Maybe one day they’ll remove all the orange cones too!!!
One of my mutts came from Morecambe and there wasn’t a single camera between Scotland and Morecambe Bay (In 2011). Given the mechanical “reliability” of the Rover 75 I never pushed it much - but I did cover 280 miles in (seconds) less than three hours. Just don’t ask about the fuel costs - I’d have used a lot less petrol if I’d taken 4 hours.
Tell me about it Don. I drive a 4.2 landcruiser, it’ll do 120mph, just you get to watch the fuel gauge dropping J)
The worst is the m62 manchester to leeds. 20 miles of road works, camera’s and 50mph limits. I hate going to Leeds. :~
I love land cruisers - the toughest of them all.
And I’ve lived with a G Wagen - just don’t ask what maintaining it cost in parts and (my) time. If I were spending other folks money it’s be a G Wagen every time. If it’s my money it’d be a truck chassis Land Cruiser. But the bakkie (oops - most folks don’t do Afrikaans - pickup in UK English) LCs do tend to fall over when cornered hard on tar. Seen folks die that way.
The M62 to Stockport (A good friend of mine used to live there - now lives in Reading) is one of my least favourite bits of road on the planet. But don’t ask me to describe the A6 there - I don’t know enough swear words.
It is almost as bad as Cha Cha Road in Lusaka or just about any non-footpath in Johannesburg. Or any road at all in Spain.
When in Spain. Walk!
And note how many pedestrians walk funny due to artificial legs after RTA’s.
Here you are don, here’s what nearly showed up atvyour place… :bigsmile:
The a6 is bad, the a57 past hyde and out to mottram is a killer though. Just always heavy traffic, or closed due to the weather lol
Wouldn’t it be much easier just to obey the speed limits?
That’s my thoughts. You break the law then cry when the authorities have the down right cheek to do something about it? :~
I knew someone would finally say that.
Wouldn’t it be easier to always be good?
Wouldn’t it always be nice to do the right thing even if you don’t really want to?
Sure it would but the last thing we need in the USA at least is more laws that get us on entrapment. Not everybody is going to follow all driving laws 100% of the time day in and day out. If your speed limit is 70mph, and you do 71mph at any point even if your going down a hill on cruise control technically your breaking the law.
We used to get 10% to excuse speedo inaccuracy so the true speed limit could be considered 77mph on motorways. Not sure thats still true though. I have noticed many vans read high compared to sat nav - psychologically your speeding.
Over here the camera’s tend to trip 5 - 10mph above the limit, so have to be properly speeding to ger done.
I still stand by the premise though “cant do the time, dont do the crime” or simply, stick to the posted limits or quit whining. :bigsmile:
Just as it would be easier for the village to obey the law?
[quote=Judge]
The judge, who heard arguments in January, found that the ordinance fails to provide due process to people receiving a notice of fines in the mail. He said the village doesn’t have a sign warning motorists that traffic cameras are in operation, as required by state law. [/QUOTE]
[quote=Judge]
To challenge the $105 fine, a motorist has to pay $25 for a hearing[/QUOTE]
[quote=Judge]
At the hearing, he said, the “witness” for the village testifies from a report produced by the company that owns the speed-monitoring unit. Since the “witness” was not present when the alleged violation occurred, he or she can’t be cross-examined, Ruehlman wrote. [/QUOTE]
[quote=Judge]
Moreover, he said, the device was not calibrated by a certified police officer.[/QUOTE]
PPtk
Exactly! And to be honest, in 35+ years of driving I ‘earned’ every ticket I was written except one.
No one likes to get caught with their hand in a cookie jar or breaking the law. Just fess up and pay your fine. Invoking all sort of fairness and entrapment arguments really makes you look like a sore loser. At least with a camera, that gal with the titanic rack dressed fit to kill (hearts) is going to be treated just like you. 8)
That still does not prove it was inaccurate, and I’m guessing the do not get out of calibration very easily. That sounds like defense lawyer talk trying to doubt on the validity of speed readings. Now shortening the yellow light duration is definitely wrong.
I must say I just got back from a trip to Victorville, California where several intersections had traffic control cameras to catch people running red lights. Traffic at those intersections, all clearly posted as having cameras, was much better controlled with no one accelerating to get through the intersection on a yellow light. From my experience they made the intersections much safer than those without cameras.
Correct. It also doesn’t prove it was accurate which is the issue at hand.
I wasn’t arguing about whether cameras increase safety or reduce speed or anything of that nature. I was arguing that the village didn’t follow the simple rules (law) required to install a traffic camera. It’s interesting that you pick out my least toothy quote from the judge, debunk it using assumptions (“I’m guessing the do not get out of calibration very easily”) instead of fact and then move on.
And even in regards to that quote from the judge - Do you know why speed cameras and other speed measuring devices have the ability to be calibrated? Wait for it… Because they fall out of calibration! If they didn’t need to be calibrated from time to time, there would be no reason for calibration hardware.
sounds to me like the village should mail every single illegally collected payment back to the victims.
PPtk
And I do see the other side of this as well. But to be honest nobody is perfect and we all make mistakes even if it means breaking the law from time to time. Here in MO, police officers in the city limits years ago would sit in between bulidings with their lights off at nite to catch speeders. Now because of new entrapment laws they can no longer do that. They have to sit out in plain view with their lights on if it’s dark. I am all for follwing the laws, but there are right ways to go about enforcing laws when it comes to somebody going just 5 mph over the speed limit. Now granted most cops won’t issue tickets or pull someone over at just 5mph over the limit, but it depends on how close they are to the end of the month and whether they are close to their quota limit for the month for traffic violations.