Another 'what's wrong with this picture?' thread (5x XML SRK- wait, what?)

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Another 'what's wrong with this picture?' thread (5x XML SRK- wait, what?)

Edited by: comfychair on 05/07/2013 - 05:48
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nice mod!!

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no switch?

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The reflector just drops right in, I will probably build a new plate/heatsink for it, just because.

This light is so poorly made it doesn't deserve anything nice inside. So I have a bunch of leftover XM-Ls of who knows what bin/tint, I'm thinking of adding a clickie switch, and making it 5x in parallel, direct drive 1-mode. One XM-L survives on one 18650, so five should be fine being run by 4 cells. Or not, who cares. What else am I going to do with it?

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Scribe marks show the footprints with 16mm boards, I've had to do way worse than this to get stuff to fit.

Now, I could keep the momentary switch and use the original MCU(-like thing) to run five brainless 105Cs, or get one of DrJones' fancy momentary-capable boards to use as a master with four slaves, or convert to mechanical clickie and use a conventional 105C with 4 slaves, or the above mentioned single mode direct drive with a mechanical clickie.

Does anyone know of a round metal latching switch, around 10 to 12mm, that works like a forward/tactical clickie? Or are they all reverse clickie style?

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Thanks for sharing your work comfychair. Lots of sweet stuff you got going on!

What reflector is that?

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From this: 52mm 5x XR-E drop-in. I finally killed all the original XREs during an experiment gone awry, with two Samsung INRs in series. It was pretty disappointing when it happened, no smoke, no flying silicon shrapnel, just a brief blink of not even very bright light and then nothing. :shrug:

And the emitter holes are the correct size for a proper snug fit with the typical P60/XML centering rings, every 3x SRK reflector I've seen the holes are too large and the fit is sloppy.

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mmm.. SRK with 5 LEDs.. nice! Beer
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I haven't seen any of the switches you want. What about using one of the multiple led drivers floating around? I see them on several chinese sites. DX, KD, etc. Any of them work for 5 XM-Ls?

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Yes, but not boost drivers that'll run multiples in series, and I ain't wasting time or parts on this one to change the battery layout. As you know from yours, due to the, ahem, 'quality issues' here I think it's best to do this one quick and dirty and if it lets the magic smoke out, it will be a fitting end to the whole mess.

I have another host bigger than the SRK on the way for the triple MT-G2 setup, hopefully that one will be more worthy of the high-dollar parts.

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nice nice!

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Behold! A driver has been chosen, from the junk box! (with p60 pill for scale)

Original momentary switch to control the little micro-relay - press and hold for ON & release for OFF, as this is not the kind of setup you would want to leave switched on for any length of time anyway. The relay will activate at least as low as 2.8v, I don't know how much lower than that it will go. I might add a resistor inline to disable the relay at around 3v to prevent overdischarge. It may also need a diode to protect against spikes when the relay disengages, though it could already have one inside, I will have to crack it open and check.

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8) I think you have invented The Mad King! J) …or something like that. I wonder how many minutes it can be on before its too warm to comfortably hold. Hot or not! I really like it! Smile

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With the XREs the necessary wire clearance was built in to the design of those LEDs and their boards, with XMLs it had to have this relief cut for clearance. As it is in that pic it's technically deep enough, but just barely (I'm using 22AWG silicone wire on everything from now on, the teflon stuff is just too hard to work with, it likes to rip off solder pads and generally be a pain in the ass). I'll probably take another cut of something like .060-.080" in that same pattern before switching to the smaller bit and removing the bridges between holes (the one that cuts fast enough to not drive me crazy is too big to fit inbetween).

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Proper tools? LOL Not hardly, just a $130 Chinese SKIL drill press, and an assortment of Dremel carbide bits! One of these days I will pick up a small cross slide vise, as it is now I have to slide the parts around with my bare hands. Knock on wood, haven't lost a finger yet, but the parts do sometimes get snagged by the bit and flung to the other side of the room.

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Nice machine work and pictures. I like the last picture. Great idea one how to precision cut the reliefs.

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Plans are to cut out the middle of the stock threaded aluminum plate/pill thing, leaving just the threads and a small ~1/8" wide shelf around the ID, and make two copper plates to sandwich it... top plate will be bigger than the thread OD to seat on the lip inside the head, bottom one will be smaller than the threads so it can pass through. They'll be clamped, then soldered together. Should be just as good at handling the heat yet still be removable. It'll be like a big flat C8 pill, basically.

But I don't have any suitable copper plate on hand currently, I have to get some before much of anything else can happen.

Or... I could use aluminum, and TIG it...

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Thats fantastic work there comfychair. Very creative. Do you have a problem with the chuck falling out of the taper in the spindle?

 

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No it's a cheapie, the spindle isn't removable and has a JT33 male taper on the bottom. The chuck is garbage, jaws aren't parallel... major PITA to get the tools chucked up so they spin true. I'm intending to get me one-a them thar fancy ball bearing keyless jobbies, those make life so much nicer. :bigsmile:

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This makes your effort even better. You are seriously showing us all how top class work can be achieved with the wrong tools, like a couple off other people here. Thanks. It makes us all think a little harder.

 

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I dont know whats wrong with the picture. Put me out of suspense and tell me. All I see is a lot off ingenious hard work in a fantastic mod.

 

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Does this help any? Silly

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Nup. I’ll stick to what I said. Have you got a plan off attack to polish the reflectors?

 

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Wait, so 5 LED SkyRay Kings aren't out of the ordinary? :_(

Reflector polishing isn't hard, just horribly tedious and boring. I can't even attempt it if I'm the least bit sleepy or I get half-hypnotized and start to nod off which is not good when you're holding a Dremel.

I didn't mess up the plating on accident, there was horrible casting flash all over, it was a mess to begin with.

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comfychair wrote:

Wait, so 5 LED SkyRay Kings aren’t out of the ordinary?

Yep very unusual. But I could see nothing inordinary with what you have achieved. Top job. Wink

 

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honestly, there’s space for at least 7 in there, where’s your sense of adventure? Big Smile

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After starting down about elebenty-nine different paths with the, um, 'driver', then turning around and going back to the start, I finally settled on this:

Since they're all going to be in parallel, no need for the 3-section layout of the original, right? And the AO D436 has plenty of overhead for everything four cells can put out, I think...

(<--LOL)

So I double-stacked them anyway because hey, why not?

I've bench tested it and got 3.40 amps.

Here's what the driver does, as best I understand it (i.e., not at all). The MCU-like thing controls the single 7136, which doesn't see any of the output load at all, it's just used as a sort of relay to control the gate on the D436, as that FET needs more current to switch than the MCU-thing can provide (if this is not how it works, then I am completely lost and can't see why they didn't just delete the 7136s altogether and save a few pennies). The set of three sense resistors (original setup was 3 resistors and one '000' zero-ohm thing per D436, new setup is 3 '000's and no resistors) limit the current the D436 passes. Shorting across the zero ohm resistor pack does not increase the current, but connecting LED- direct to BAT- does, so I have no clue what part of the circuit is doing the regulatin' here. Who cares. If it does better than 3 amps to each of the 5 XMLs, that'll be... yeah. A lot.

The solid copper wire I added is for heat transfer, and also to tie together some of the unused pads to give more space to attach the LED wires so I don't end up trying to solder five wires onto one little pad. For the positive side I will probably drill thru the board at the 3 original pads and solder wires from the battery side of the board rather than rely on the almost certainly undersized vias in the PCB.

What's still left to do is: weld the threaded ring onto the heatsink base (I hope I'm not out of argon, it's been months since I touched the thing), drill wire passthroughs in the heatsink, and polish the damn reflector.

(I found this same 5x reflector at DX for I think 9 bucks, if anybody's curious- don't have the link but it's easy to find, in their reflector category)

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