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I think you guys are missing the point, I own one Surefire, I didn’t buy it because it was cheap or super bright, I just wanted a Surefire.

A mate of mine collects stamps from a little principality in India he pays big money for one stamp, I on the other hand go down to the PO and buy a whole book of 20 stamps for a few quid.

Get the point?

Not so fast, if you are getting Surefire just so you can own one to collect, I’m still going to disagree and say Uranusfire is better! When entertaining guests or going on a camping trips, which one will bring more jokes, enjoyment and entertainment to follow?!? Plus, there are many times fewer Uranusfire lights on the market, and they are likely to go out of business once someone in China figures out another possible meaning of their name, making them a much better collection point! Wink Get your Uranusfires while you still can!

LOL+1 Big Smile

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Especially when its the government.

Yes, some of the lights I order from China come to California by way of New York. Two governments involved.

Flashlight designers should look at lighthouses and pottery.
这些谁设计的手电筒应该看灯塔,以及在陶器。

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i like bloody mary's. Tongue Out

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i like bloody mary’s. Tongue Out

Nick, that’s a new one for our DRINKS OP !

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Slightly off topic, what is the feeling on Ledlensers here, at the “other” forum you ain’t allowed to mention the product with out getting flamed.

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Slightly off topic, what is the feeling on Ledlensers here, at the “other” forum you ain’t allowed to mention the product with out getting flamed.

Really? Why is that? I think you can mention anything here. But some people may not like the light/brand, some having more or less fans than others…just opinions, and as I see it, opinions are less filtered, more reasoned out and more in favor of quality vs price here, which I think is best. But some don’t agree, and some want to buy Surefire, and that’s fine too. Smile

Just looking over that brand they appear to be pricey for the lumen output, and Ni-mh but if you dont want Li-ions maybe they are good, I dont know much about pricing for those.

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Didn’t leatherman buy Ledlenser? My only knowledge of ledlenser, their prices are seem a bit high.

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Slightly off topic, what is the feeling on Ledlensers here, at the “other” forum you ain’t allowed to mention the product with out getting flamed.

Really? Why is that? I think you can mention anything here. But some people may not like the light/brand, some having more or less fans than others…just opinions, and as I see it, opinions are less filtered, more reasoned out and more in favor of quality vs price here, which I think is best. But some don’t agree, and some want to buy Surefire, and that’s fine too. Smile

Just looking over that brand they appear to be pricey for the lumen output, and Ni-mh but if you dont want Li-ions maybe they are good, I dont know much about pricing for those.

They are pricey, but are well marketed and distributed in camping and outdoor stores here at home, I own a few and have gifted many to friends as its quick to go and buy and people love them , the mostly take AA or AAA batteries.

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Dale wrote:
Didn’t leatherman buy Ledlenser? My only knowledge of ledlenser, their prices are seem a bit high.

Yep Leatherman own them.

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Didn’t leatherman buy Ledlenser? My only knowledge of ledlenser, their prices are seem a bit high.

Yep Leatherman own them.

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Bergtjie wrote:
Slightly off topic, what is the feeling on Ledlensers here, at the “other” forum you ain’t allowed to mention the product with out getting flamed.

Overpriced for what you get, there’s better value out there, unless you’re a fan Smile .
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Led Lenser have more typical European pricing. Its just the China stuff that are so cheap everywhere due to low shipping, low taxes, low wages and everyting. Maglites are dirt cheap in the US, but not in EU.

Led-Lenser also charge a premium price due to their patented zoom-lenses, and no one seems to beat them on that department. So they have an attractive unique selling point (at least for average Joe). Led Lenser also focus a lot on nimh batteries. Combine nimh with zoom and then look at good competitors. There is basically none.

I would consider Led-Lenser before most Surefire lights. At-least you get something special for your money.

Btw. Fancyflashlights have laser printing on their hosts... I can make potential Surefire buyers a light with the name Surefire on the side. Just PM me. 399$ a piece. You even got copper mounted MCPCB, fully programmable driver circuit, various emitter options, latest generation emitter, nice tints and the CRI you desire. And just to mention it twice. The name, Surefire, laser printed on the side... 0:) I know, the name surefire adds a lot to the price. So ill do a special 199$ a piece for a body without the name, just in case customers want discretion or are budget minded..  Big Smile

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Does anyone else make diffusers or filters like these Surefire (spring-loaded cover-cap and locking lever)?
http://www.surefire.com/parts-accessories/filters-diffusers-covers/fm44-...

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Wow, $140 just for the diffuser? I hope its at least a pure quartz crystal hand worked “glass” in it then… Silly

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Bergtjie wrote:
Slightly off topic, what is the feeling on Ledlensers here, at the “other” forum you ain’t allowed to mention the product with out getting flamed.

I don’t know what that’s all about but they are certainly an expensive premium brand here in the UK. I have never owned one so I can’t say if they are worth the price. The big marketing points here are that our police force use them, they have some super-duper patented optics and they use German technology (so they must be great – like BMW’s !)

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My impression of them is that it’s a mainstream brand you buy if you don’t know about boards like this. But I don’t own any so that’s just my opinion. I’ve seen them at the store but holding them in my hand, they didn’t seem like they were comparable to other good brands like Fenix, so I put them back on the shelf.

But there doesn’t seem to be anything inherently wrong with them. I have seen threads on that other board where people who like the brand are ridiculed, which I see no reason for. If it’s a brand you like, they seem like an OK brand and I can’t think of a reason not to buy one, and Leatherman their owner is certainly a brand I trust.

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I don’t see it as close minded to not want to drop that kind of money. Sureforce lights are all hype in my opinion. Their technology is way outdated. The only claim to fame I keep hearing is their Superior workmanship. But is it really all that better than some of the upper end Chinese companies like Fenix, Crelant & all the other overseas companies. As one Surefire owners.aid If I bought upper end lights from the above mentioned light companies. Not to waste my time on surefire. I’d only be disappointed.

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Crelant is a joke compared to surefire, just saying. I think this has been covered pretty good. If you like them go get some if not there are tons of whateverfire you want out there. I have a few like I said earlier, and I am defiantly not a surefire fan boy. The newer stuff is on par performance wise if not ahead of a lot of the other manufacturers out there in the same size light class. Defiantly not outdated by any means. I see no reason why people keep on comparing the surefire stuff that was out 5 years ago. Of course that is outdated. Plus this is BLF not CPF so a majority of the folk here are going to be against them and see zero value in them, but if a lot of the naysayers tried the newer stuff I am sure there would be a few different opinions on them here. I was the same way until I got a furry. I like all kinds of lights, some better than others. I guess it is what it is.

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What is some off their newer stuff? Is it posible to find something that will compete with say.. I dont know… The XinTD for under $100?

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I am sure that you know enough about surefire to know that you cant get much for under $100 Wink

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I am sure that you know enough about surefire to know that you cant get much for under $100 Wink

Wink yep yep!!! And I completely disagree about the Crelant comment. I have the 7G2cs u3 & the 7G5 cs U3. They are awesome! & I am willing to thumb wrestle over it.

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I am sure that you know enough about surefire to know that you cant get much for under $100 Wink

Wink yep yep!!! And I completely disagree about the Crelant comment. I have the 7G2cs u3 & the 7G5 cs U3. They are awesome! & I am willing to thumb wrestle over it.

LOL, thumbs all in.

Its not that they are junk (crelant) they just are not as well made. I had two crelants and they just felt cheap. IDK maybe I just had bad ones.

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What is some off their newer stuff? Is it posible to find something that will compete with say.. I dont know… The XinTD for under $100?

I would have to say the furry would be the closet to $100. It was the first surefire I could justify buying. Since it was putting out a decent amount of lumen. It is quite a bit smaller that the XinT, but has more flood and comparable throw. I like mine.

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Thats my EDC of late. The 7G2cs & The DQG 18650. I’m really not all the way against Surefire. But I cant justify the cost with so many other options. For instance my Solarforce collection. I have never had one malfunction out of them. ( The P60 series ) & the L2T is a hunk of metal. Those with a good wrapped drop in seem to be fool proof.

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What is some off their newer stuff? Is it posible to find something that will compete with say.. I dont know… The XinTD for under $100?

I would have to say the furry would be the closet to $100. It was the first surefire I could justify buying. Since it was putting out a decent amount of lumen. It is quite a bit smaller that the XinT, but has more flood and comparable throw. I like mine.

Lol the Fury!!! I’m setting here thinking.. What the h*ll is a furry??

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Oops, I didn’t even notice I typed it wrong. LOL. P2X Fury Tactical is the one I have. Its late here and I am tired.

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Oops, I didn’t even notice I typed it wrong. LOL. P2X Fury Tactical is the one I have. Its late here and I am tired.

+1 thanks for the laugh! Thats actually the one I have been debating over, its like the only one I like.

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Dale wrote:
Thats my EDC of late. The 7G2cs & The DQG 18650. I’m really not all the way against Surefire. But I cant justify the cost with so many other options. For instance my Solarforce collection. I have never had one malfunction out of them. ( The P60 series ) & the L2T is a hunk of metal. Those with a good wrapped drop in seem to be fool proof.

I just got and L2T and P1D in the mail today. I really like the solorforce host. I am putting a triple XPG2 mule in one and a super charged XML2 from VInh in the other. I think I have at least one of each of their host. I use them for work and they just get destroyed |(

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Thats my EDC of late. The 7G2cs & The DQG 18650. I’m really not all the way against Surefire. But I cant justify the cost with so many other options. For instance my Solarforce collection. I have never had one malfunction out of them. ( The P60 series ) & the L2T is a hunk of metal. Those with a good wrapped drop in seem to be fool proof.

I just got and L2T and P1D in the mail today. I really like the solorforce host. I am putting a triple XPG2 mule in one and a super charged XML2 from VInh in the other. I think I have at least one of each of their host. I use them for work and they just get destroyed |(

+1 don’t wanna tear up the furry? Lol I really do like Solarforce tho.

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No he is to cute and snugly. Lol. I don’t take that one to work much, because I have had a few lights fall out of the truck never to be seen again. Rather lose a $15 or so host and a $10 dropin than $100 light. The solorforce that I just got will be for around the house and the woods. The P1D was almost $30, but I have been reading that it is the best for heat-sinking. Both of those dropins put out a lot of heat.

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