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Newbie needs help with choosing flashlight

I just came across this forum so bear with me since I definitely don't entirely know what I'm talking about (when it comes to flashlights). 

So, I just bought one of those Cree 3W 2xD cell flashlights (mag style) for $10 from buy.com. It's the brightest flashlight I've ever used before, but it's big, and now I've been bitten by the bug—I'd like something more powerful. I did a little search and came across this one and thought it was really awesome (500lm and all), but then after I started reading here I figured that probably wasn't so awesome of a deal. So, what's a good flashlight that's reasonably cheap yet performs well? I'm not interested in a zoom light; I'd rather have two lights that really work than one that only marginally performs. 

I appreciate your help!

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go to dealextreme.com, and buy something with an XM-L led.

can get them for around 29 bux now.

youll never look back again lol

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how about getting that ufh2 deal. just look a few threads down pretty incredible flashlight deal. under $20 great price.
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Jacknluke wrote:
how about getting that ufh2 deal. just look a few threads down pretty incredible flashlight deal. under $20 great price.

I looked that over but I'd like more of a thrower than that and I don't like how it comes out at an angle.

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xP.1337 wrote:

go to dealextreme.com, and buy something with an XM-L led.

can get them for around 29 bux now.

youll never look back again lol

Is DX reputable? There's some pretty bad reviews on it over at resellerratings. Does Manafont have as many options? Or are they more expensive?

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Just keep coming back to BudgetLightForum and reading. Here you'll find the hundreds of flashlights that you need!

In the meantime here is a link to some reviews that should keep you busy till 2012.

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/goingprepared#g/u

 

hope you find the one you're looking for,

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Maybe you guys could help me out with one thing: when I'm looking at all these chinese lights (trustfire, uniquefire, sky ray, etc.) are some brands known to be better than others? And are there particular things to look for (or stay away from)?

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Enjoy BLF

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Personally, I'd go to Manafont.com and get a $20 special with an XM-L. They have several, my first choice would be the $19 Sky Ray, nice light.

Rats, finally sold my 2010 509hp Mustang...now I can buy more lights!

Sold the red one too! Now guess what I drive, doing my penance for 500 hp commuters...

http://dreammustang.com/

http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac47/Ha

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trooplewis wrote:

Personally, I'd go to Manafont.com and get a $20 special with an XM-L. They have several, my first choice would be the $19 Sky Ray, nice light.

You're talking about the S-R5? How come they don't list how many lumens it is? Yes, looks nice though.

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Sorry about my ignorance, but where is the best and cheapest place to get a couple of 18650s and charger from?

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skip skyrays, skip any P60 drop in styles with XM-Ls

while cheap and tempting, the heat sinking isnt there.

 

I love these i got at DX

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/fandyfire-c10-cree-xm-l-3-mode-750-lumen-wh...

c2 and c8 are a little smaller, but dont throw quite as much as that fandyfire C10.

 

 

all 3 will fit on the weapon mounts too if your wondering lol

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hi-max on ebay are the BEST Bang for buck ive found (through people on here)

great cells, charger id go with an Accucell from hobbyking.com

dont bother with the garbage chargers out there, a hobby charger will charge it perfect EVERYtime.

 

dont get trustfire flame 18650s, I have had bad luck with those. 2 out of 8 cells owned are worth anything.

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xP.1337 wrote:

skip skyrays, skip any P60 drop in styles with XM-Ls

while cheap and tempting, the heat sinking isnt there.

 

I love these i got at DX

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/fandyfire-c10-cree-xm-l-3-mode-750-lumen-wh...

c2 and c8 are a little smaller, but dont throw quite as much as that fandyfire C10.

 

 

all 3 will fit on the weapon mounts too if your wondering lol

 

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Thanks, xP.1337! I appreciate your help!

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The KD C8 XM-L is a light that pretty much everyone here that has one loves. Can't go wrong with it.

http://www.kaidomain.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductId=11278

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never bought that one but ive only heard great things. i have a DX c8, not as tight of a thrower as the C10.

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xP.1337 wrote:

hi-max on ebay are the BEST Bang for buck ive found (through people on here)

great cells, charger id go with an Accucell from hobbyking.com

dont bother with the garbage chargers out there, a hobby charger will charge it perfect EVERYtime.

 

dont get trustfire flame 18650s, I have had bad luck with those. 2 out of 8 cells owned are worth anything.

Hmm... I couldn't find the Hi-Max batteries on eBay. Nor could I find the accucell charger on hobbyking.

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I kind of like the looks of this one: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultrafire-a9-t60-cree-xm-l-t6-5-mode-1200-l...

Does anyone know how it would do compared to the FandyFire C10?

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GETEMER wrote:

Sorry about my ignorance, but where is the best and cheapest place to get a couple of 18650s and charger from?

This could be the cheapest but good performance 18650 batts and charger

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/trustfire-tr-001-multi-purpose-lithium-batt...

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/trustfire-protected-18650-3-7v-true-2400mah...

 

(there are other cheaper, but not worth)

Enjoy BLF

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GETEMER wrote:

xP.1337 wrote:

hi-max on ebay are the BEST Bang for buck ive found (through people on here)

great cells, charger id go with an Accucell from hobbyking.com

dont bother with the garbage chargers out there, a hobby charger will charge it perfect EVERYtime.

 

dont get trustfire flame 18650s, I have had bad luck with those. 2 out of 8 cells owned are worth anything.

Hmm... I couldn't find the Hi-Max batteries on eBay. Nor could I find the accucell charger on hobbyking.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/6pcs-18650-2600mAh-Protected-Li-ion-Battery-3-7V-/32...

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GETEMER wrote:

I kind of like the looks of this one: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultrafire-a9-t60-cree-xm-l-t6-5-mode-1200-l...

Does anyone know how it would do compared to the FandyFire C10?

I haven't used it, but I can tell you that XM-L doesn't produce 1200L at 3A or at higher. That's how it is with some flashlights, are rated higher than they really are.

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Skip anything that takes  p60?  LOL, that wipes out about 90% of the XM-L market. I have about 9 of them and have never had a heat issue as long as you use them sensibly. And I LOVE my SkyRay with an XM-L in it, one of the nicest lights to hold on the market, IMO.

 

XM-L P60 style are the hottest commodity on the budget light markets right now. I would never tell a newbie to skip them....

Rats, finally sold my 2010 509hp Mustang...now I can buy more lights!

Sold the red one too! Now guess what I drive, doing my penance for 500 hp commuters...

http://dreammustang.com/

http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac47/Ha

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fran82 wrote:

 

This could be the cheapest but good performance 18650 batts and charger

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/trustfire-tr-001-multi-purpose-lithium-batt...

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/trustfire-protected-18650-3-7v-true-2400mah...

 

(there are other cheaper, but not worth)

 

sorry but those are not good combos AT ALL

Hikelite, thanks for the link! and make sure to make an offer, he should counter offer but it will be worth trying

 

also this is the charger i have

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=7028

 

i use that, powered by a power supply stolen from a Energizer 15 min charger (capable of 14amps) and a stack of magnets that you can find on DX.

 

the combo is a hair more expensive than trustfires, but WAYYYY better quality

i ordered a total of 6 TF flames.  had 2 duds, so they sent 4 more (this was over time, so ordered 2, 1 dud, they sent 2 more lol)

so after totalling 10 batteries (i know i said 8 before, messed up) i had

2 duds

2 perfect

and the rest all were not capable of drawings 2.8 amps from them. some of them were bad.

used the SAME flashlight to test them all. then tried on a weaker one with the same results.

2.8 amps out of 2.  something like 2 amps out of another 2. and the rest the flashlight could barely draw 1.5 amps!!!!

that means they have super poor quality control on those.

dont waste the money

 

the hi-max however.... i have 6. all work 100% correct capacities, draw 2.8amps no problem, and charge no problem

 

 

that charger can over charge the batteries too. people have lost fingers thanks to that charger....

cant do that as easy with the accucell.

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Skip anything that takes  p60?  LOL, that wipes out about 90% of the XM-L market. I have about 9 of them and have never had a heat issue as well as you use them sensibly. And I LOVE my SkyRay with an XM-L in it, one of the nicest lights to hold on the market, IMO.

 

XM-L P60 style are the hottest commodity on the budget light markets right now.

 

they are. BUT, they wont have the life that a properly heat sinked LED will.

I USE my XM-Ls on HIGH for hours at a time.

try that with most p60s (without adding stupid things like aluminum foil to help with heat) and see if they last at the same 3 amp draw.....

XM-Ls are tough leds, but any led is susceptible to heat. ive blown 2 already, one with aluminum foil, one without

dont take the risk.

 

also, skyray is an acquired taste to begin with. gotta like star trek to like that flashlight lol

at least get a nice solarforce L series lol

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What exactly are P60s?

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Easiest way to describe it is that a P60 is a kind of cartridge that includes the reflector, emitter and controlling circuit board all together as a single module.

Many lights take these modules and so are described as P60 hosts.

Naturally you can buy them as a complete flashlight (i.e. both P60 drop-in and the host).

Hope that helps.

The drawback of P60 drop-ins is that the drop-in design is not ideal for conducting the heat away from the emitter to the body of the light.  So folks often wrap aluminum foil around the drop-in or strips cut from a drinks can to improve the contact (i.e. heatsinking)   I'll try to find a link to a thread on how to do this and post it here later.

EDIT - Here you go the foil approach.

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Ah! Thanks VFMaddict. That clears things up. So lights like the one I listed above (http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultrafire-a9-t60-cree-xm-l-t6-5-mode-1200-l...) aren't P60, right?

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I like my KD C8 XM-L T6 with OP reflector.  Here's the post by E1320 that sealed the deal:

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/3105#comment-50018

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Quite correct, Getemer, that is not a P60 host.   Its probably a good light from the specs but with no reviews I cannot guarantee that.   Personally in that class (i.e. lights with a 44-to-46mm head) I think that in the absence of a review I'd be inclined to go instead for this light.   As JohnnyMac says most folks around here have one of these in either the Smooth reflector that he linked to or the OP (orange peel) reflector that I just linked to.

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that A9 looks pretty nice, but i dont have one so i cant say anything.

the C8 has plenty of reviews, and ive had two FandyFire C10s, very good flashlights for the money.

 

BTW i sold both c10s to friends for more than i payed for them, and have more on order.... so i can sell more!

Im sure the A9 isnt bad either, but who knows. It is China lol

 

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