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"It lit my kids face on fire" e-cig explosion
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That model doesn’t come with a battery but takes 18650. I wonder what battery he was using?

Besides that, the whole concept is stupid to me. Forget the actual vapor part of it, I wouldn’t put anything drawing that much power into my mouth.

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I feel terrible for that guy Sad

This has nothing to do with minors though, if it was an adult using it the results would have been the same Sad

I wonder if it had a ultrafire/chinese model battery or a name brand Panasonic/LG type battery.

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It’s time for an absolute ban on lithium cells coming out of china. Too often, regulators want to blame lithium cells in general, and stop import completely or restrict from airlines, etc. That isn’t sustainable, obviously. But, we can and should permanently ban Chinese cells.

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DavidEF wrote:
It’s time for an absolute ban on lithium cells coming out of china. Too often, regulators want to blame lithium cells in general, and stop import completely or restrict from airlines, etc. That isn’t sustainable, obviously. But, we can and should permanently ban Chinese cells.

The general American public (and many legislators) Can’t/Don’t/Won’t differentiate China from Japan or Korea. They would end up pursuing a ban on all loose cells. Besides that, I don’t think it would really solve anything. All those hoverboard problems came from battery packs that were pre-installed. Some of them even had Japanese cells and the circuit boards were what caused the hazard. Are we going to ban everything from China?

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pilotdog68 wrote:
DavidEF wrote:
It’s time for an absolute ban on lithium cells coming out of china. Too often, regulators want to blame lithium cells in general, and stop import completely or restrict from airlines, etc. That isn’t sustainable, obviously. But, we can and should permanently ban Chinese cells.

The general American public (and many legislators) Can’t/Don’t/Won’t differentiate China from Japan or Korea. They would end up pursuing a ban on all loose cells.

exactly, we understand the nuances of li ion batteries, lawmakers would not

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Personal responsibility needs to be re-instated. Every time something like this happens it’s never the person who did it, jut the device. If you want a e-cig, i have no problem with that, but learn the dangers asscociated with it.

That aside, I do feel sorry for the kid. That’s gonna be with him for the rest of his life.

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Bort wrote:
pilotdog68 wrote:
DavidEF wrote:
It’s time for an absolute ban on lithium cells coming out of china. Too often, regulators want to blame lithium cells in general, and stop import completely or restrict from airlines, etc. That isn’t sustainable, obviously. But, we can and should permanently ban Chinese cells.

The general American public (and many legislators) Can’t/Don’t/Won’t differentiate China from Japan or Korea. They would end up pursuing a ban on all loose cells.

exactly, we understand the nuances of li ion batteries, lawmakers would not

Yeah, I was just dreaming… Silly

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I’m sure it was a Chinese cell. There are only a few places to get a Lithium Ion cell in Canada, which are extremely expensive. I’m experienced, but a kid or an average joe wouldn’t know were to look. $20 18650 or $4 18650 with a free charger and free shipping. To most people it’s just a battery, so go for the cheapie. I’m a smoker, and every time I’ve considered trying out an e-cigarette, the thought of a Li-Ion almost in my mouth makes me cringe. Even a Japanese or Korean cell.

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Funny that the article does not even mention the battery, let go question it, while over here it is the first and only part we are talking about. That says something about the general knowledge about li-ion powered devices.

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Funny that the article does not even mention the battery, let go question it, while over here it is the first and only part we are talking about. That says something about the general knowledge about li-ion powered devices.


You are right. Even the press wouldn’t have enough knowledge about the subject to pose the question.
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Funny that the article does not even mention the battery, let go question it, while over here it is the first and only part we are talking about. That says something about the general knowledge about li-ion powered devices.


People are so used to alkalines and eneloops that the possibility of a cylinder battery exploding rarely crosses their minds, even though an ecig seems to be about 80% battery. What else would explode? The juice?

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Hell. I get nervous holding some of my modded lights in my hand.

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I get nervous holding some of my modded lights in my hand.

Always hold them off at arm’s length to the side — same as if you were shining the light toward someone who might shoot at it.
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A freind of mine was so proud of his e-cig mod that he built himself. .2 ohm coil he claimed. I tried to explain that such little resistance was likely between the test probes, and the coil was a dead short. He wouldn’t listen. When the trustfire cell popped out I couldn’t leave the room fast enough. I bought him an Efest high discharge cell just so I didn’t have to pick up the prices of him later.

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I think it should all be banned in the US. All e-something and vaping. It will prove out after all the testing, that is is worse on the lungs than smoking and I also truly believe all forms of Lithium batteries should have never been allowed in the US. It is the most toxic stuff for battery technology and the least stable of what it out there. I know, I know, but I still never carry lithium cells of any type and won't. I stick with NiMH or Alkalines.

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I think it should all be banned in the US. All e-something and vaping. It will prove out after all the testing, that is is worse on the lungs than smoking and I also truly believe all forms of Lithium batteries should have never been allowed in the US. It is the most toxic stuff for battery technology and the least stable of what it out there. I know, I know, but I still never carry lithium cells of any type and won’t. I stick with NiMH or Alkalines.

I mean absolutely no disrespect Old-Lumens, but isn’t the camera you shoot your youtube vids with powered by a Li-ion battery?

You’re not wrong when you say the stuff is unstable. What really makes me nervous is a tesla or other electric car in a wreck.

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He was probably hitting on a sub ohm RDA. The one he was using looks like it had venting holes but looks also like they were blocked over by the cool scull sticker over the bottom. Dumb! Plus it is a mechanical mod meaning it does not shut off if you keep holding the button down. Most all young vapers use them. All these vaping devices should have a blow away section once a vent is immanent. Like a passive pressure sensor that opens the bottom of the device. Remember, I came up with the idea first here...lol.  

I tried the sub ohm stuff but it draws too much current from the battery for my comfort and the battery does not last as long. I went back to a regular 1 ohm RBA where I could at least get a day of use. Plus I do not use pen type mechanical devices, or any mechanical devices for that matter. Use only new high quality cells. Never had a vent or heard of one around me. All my devices have a 10 second cut off. The vape shops around here do not cell the cheap cells, only the good ones. I'm pretty sure this kid must have picked up some cells and a charger from ebay, ultrafire most likely. Shops around here also do not sell the poorly made pen type mods. Ebay needs to ban them because that is mostly where they are all coming from.

Go type 18650 battery right now into the search box of ebay. Little bombs ready to blow kids faces off, a very high percentage of them. Ebay will be the last to pull them because they are making so much money on them right now and have been for years. Then click the sold box on the left to get an idea of how many of these are making it out to people.

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Well the main problem here are not the batteries!
It is the mods done to these vapors some people are pulling 20 amps how many flashlight do you own they pull 20 amps? from a single cell?
We mod flashlight and are weary of them but these guys do crazy mods pulling insane amounts of current and they don’t blink?

I will edit this so he was using a Wotofo Phantom and apparently these are popular to do hybrid top cap mods? but they are dangerous apparently? i do not smoke so i can not say.

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All those hoverboard problems came from battery packs that were pre-installed. Some of them even had Japanese cells and the circuit boards were what caused the hazard.

There’s been considerable speculation as to the cause of the li-ion problems. Can you cite the source of your information attributing circuit boards as being the culprit? 0:)

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In Amarillo last week a guy purchased an E-cig thingy ... Was walking out the door with it and BANG! It exploded in his hand...luckily away from his face. I think it is as much the circuitry ...or lack of... in the product as the battery.  If they don't ban the E-cigs, they best get a handle on how they are made.  I agree with whoever said something about NOT putting a battery powered ANYTHING up to your face... much less in your mouth.  All this so you can breathe stuff that will eventually make you sick or kill ya!!   ????????  Surprised

When we sell a custom light... the customer always gets a battery. A USED battery and they know it. I will not sell a brand new re-chargeable battery. Period. We charge them, use them...even if we just turn on a flashlight and let it lay on the bench.... the same with the customers light.... We build it, fire it up, turn it on, turn it off, go through the modes...  and let it discharge a battery several times. That way, we KNOW we aren't handing someone a bomb. In the USA... we call it quality control. China should take a hint! Tongue Out  TL.

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pilotdog68 wrote:
That model doesn’t come with a battery but takes 18650. I wonder what battery he was using?

Besides that, the whole concept is stupid to me. Forget the actual vapor part of it, I wouldn’t put anything drawing that much power into my mouth.

Indeed.
Holding anything containing a Li-Ion cell just an inch away from your face while drawing a lot of amps is just asking for trouble.
Besides, instead of blaming countries, governments or regulations, we should take a hard look at ourselves and consider what is know as personal responsibility and awareness.
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All those hoverboard problems came from battery packs that were pre-installed. Some of them even had Japanese cells and the circuit boards were what caused the hazard.

There’s been considerable speculation as to the cause of the li-ion problems. Can you cite the source of your information attributing circuit boards as being the culprit? 0:)


Can I cite a source? nope. Just something I remember reading around Christmas time. Something about some bad soldering coming loose and causing a dead short.

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pilotdog68 wrote:
All those hoverboard problems came from battery packs that were pre-installed. Some of them even had Japanese cells and the circuit boards were what caused the hazard.

There’s been considerable speculation as to the cause of the li-ion problems. Can you cite the source of your information attributing circuit boards as being the culprit? 0:)


Can I cite a source? nope. Just something I remember reading around Christmas time. Something about some bad soldering coming loose and causing a dead short.

so basically if say they have modded these vapors and try and pull to many amps and the cell is unprotected that can cause a short also?

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I would love to have seen some solid documentation. Glasses

EDIT: Everydaysurvivalgear, we were talking about hoverboards. Sorry for the distraction.

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I would love to have seen some solid documentation. Glasses

EDIT: Everydaysurvivalgear, we were talking about hoverboards. Sorry for the distraction.


Even what I read was a news report, not what I’d call solid documentation anyways

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Selling e-Cigs and anything to do with them is illegal in Canada for anyone under 19. I just started researching Canadian E-Cig shops, as I’ve never seen one. I didn’t realize they were so prevalent. A whole bunch near me.
All the batteries sold in these shops seem to be Samsung,Sony, LG, AW and Efest. I didn’t see any Chinese cells. At least I now know where to find local supplies of high drain batteries.

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Selling e-Cigs and anything to do with them is illegal in Canada for anyone under 19. I just started researching Canadian E-Cig shops, as I’ve never seen one. I didn’t realize they were so prevalent. A whole bunch near me.
All the batteries sold in these shops seem to be Samsung,Sony, LG, AW and Efest. I didn’t see any Chinese cells. At least I now know where to find local supplies of high drain batteries.

I would think, for their own liability, most e-cig/vape shops would probably stay clear of questionable cells. But, a lot of people buy cells on eBay, as has been noted. They don’t know, and probably don’t even care why the cells are cheaper, just that they are. They probably think the vape shop is just pricing them too high.

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Yea they are starting to regulate it here in Australia but as in the sense that it is the same as smoking so it will be banned soon…

In NSW, it is an offence to sell electronic cigarettes and accessories to minors or
for adults to purchase these products on behalf of minors and police have powers to seize electronic cigarettes from minors
There are also restrictions on vending machines used for selling electronic cigarettes and related offences
These laws came into effect on 1 September 2015 NSW
tobacco control laws on retail sale and display, advertising and promotion, and
smoking in motor vehicles with juveniles (under 16) present will apply to
electronic cigarettes from 1 December 2015

but yet free to sell dodgy chargers and batteries!

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What a retard is buying ecig for his kid? ROTFL

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The people in the US will probably remember a few years back when that girl got a flesh eating disease after an injury from zip lining. She hurt her leg when falling into a pond. Almost every news source was freaking out about the dangers of zip lining when in truth it had nothing to do with her getting the infection, it was the dirty pond water.
This story reminds me of that. Ignorant people will blame the wrong things and call for banning something. Instead of looking at the dangers of li-ion cells, he wants to ban e-cigarettes. This kind of irrational and emotional action always bugs the heck out of me. Especially because it does nothing to help with the root cause of the kid’s injury. What would that guy say if his son’s cell phone exploded while talking on it? Ban all cell phones??

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