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I know what is there. I am afraid that I won’t be the person who doesn’t know that something is imposible anymore. I hope you know what I mean.

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I never saw it happen, personally. But people who were reliably able to reproduce the issue tested before and after, and confirmed it no longer happens.

If a new version is made, it of course isn’t tested yet because it hasn’t been made yet. But the patch linked earlier has been tested, and shouldn’t be much different when applied to a newer version of the code

Sounds reasonable. Even the reason you found seems to be so obvious. But if I were you I would be testing it to be 100% sure. Even by disabling interrupts at all and enable them one by one.

BTW. Why your patch wasn’t included to the main version?

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For example, on Banggood, the reviews are:

5 stars: 343 reviews
4 stars: 1 review
3 stars: 0
2 stars: 0
1 star: 0

Unanimous 5-star ratings except for one person. And that’s with NarsilM 1.0. This version should be even better, since it’s getting updated.

Please don’t believe in these comments. I wrote almost 200 and only comments with 5 stars were allowed. I didn’t see any of my <4 comments on Banggood. Once I was so angry for one item that I decided to gave it 5 stars, wrote a perfect review and upload 6 photos and on one wrote the warning. The comment a week later was gone.

But we are on the same side. I probably used a shortcut in my thoughts. For me Q8 is one of the best flashlight. Before Lumintop ODF30C, Q8 was my favourite toy.

I wrote it from my point of view.
If I order a flashlight from Sofirm now, I will get the copy of my Q8.
But for weeks there was a huge hype and I also was one of the first persons who want to buy that updated flashlight.
And they could do anything… This light uses four 18650 batteries. Is this so hard for Sofirn to project a small charger inside?
Let’s dream… Q8 v2, Andúril v2 :), USB port inside a tail cap with 4×2A charger, 99.9 CRI

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Quad-XXX wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:

Click the Link in signature.

I know what is there. I am afraid that I won’t be the person who doesn’t know that something is imposible anymore. I hope you know what I mean.

ToyKeeper wrote:

I never saw it happen, personally. But people who were reliably able to reproduce the issue tested before and after, and confirmed it no longer happens.

If a new version is made, it of course isn’t tested yet because it hasn’t been made yet. But the patch linked earlier has been tested, and shouldn’t be much different when applied to a newer version of the code

Sounds reasonable. Even the reason you found seems to be so obvious. But if I were you I would be testing it to be 100% sure. Even by disabling interrupts at all and enable them one by one.

BTW. Why your patch wasn’t included to the main version?

ToyKeeper wrote:

For example, on Banggood, the reviews are:

5 stars: 343 reviews
4 stars: 1 review
3 stars: 0
2 stars: 0
1 star: 0

Unanimous 5-star ratings except for one person. And that’s with NarsilM 1.0. This version should be even better, since it’s getting updated.

Please don’t believe in these comments. I wrote almost 200 and only comments with 5 stars were allowed. I didn’t see any of my <4 comments on Banggood. Once I was so angry for one item that I decided to gave it 5 stars, wrote a perfect review and upload 6 photos and on one wrote the warning. The comment a week later was gone.

But we are on the same side. I probably used a shortcut in my thoughts. For me Q8 is one of the best flashlight. Before Lumintop ODF30C, Q8 was my favourite toy.

I wrote it from my point of view.
If I order a flashlight from Sofirm now, I will get the copy of my Q8.
But for weeks there was a huge hype and I also was one of the first persons who want to buy that updated flashlight.
And they could do anything… This light uses four 18650 batteries. Is this so hard for Sofirn to project a small charger inside?
Let’s dream… Q8 v2, Andúril v2 :), USB port inside a tail cap with 4×2A charger, 99.9 CRI

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Quad-XXX wrote:

And they could do anything… This light uses four 18650 batteries. Is this so hard for Sofirn to project a small charger inside?
Let’s dream… Q8 v2, Andúril v2 :), USB port inside a tail cap with 4×2A charger, 99.9 CRI

They are working on Q8 v1.5 here.

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Quad-XXX wrote:
Why your patch wasn’t included to the main version?

NarsilM 1.2 was released last year. No one noticed it had a memory issue until a few weeks ago.

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And they could do anything… This light uses four 18650 batteries. Is this so hard for Sofirn to project a small charger inside?

It was not supposed to have a charger. The goal of this light was to make a throwy cool white version of the Q8, and it succeeds at that goal.

Additionally, many people consider built-in charging to be a downgrade. It adds cost, complexity, bulk, and waterproofing issues, for a result which is usually not as good as standalone chargers. However, perhaps someday there could be a mass-market version with a charge port, a simpler interface, and lower output.

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Quad-XXX wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:

Click the Link in signature.

I know what is there. I am afraid that I won’t be the person who doesn’t know that something is imposible anymore. I hope you know what I mean.

ToyKeeper wrote:

I never saw it happen, personally. But people who were reliably able to reproduce the issue tested before and after, and confirmed it no longer happens.

If a new version is made, it of course isn’t tested yet because it hasn’t been made yet. But the patch linked earlier has been tested, and shouldn’t be much different when applied to a newer version of the code

Sounds reasonable. Even the reason you found seems to be so obvious. But if I were you I would be testing it to be 100% sure. Even by disabling interrupts at all and enable them one by one.

BTW. Why your patch wasn’t included to the main version?

ToyKeeper wrote:

For example, on Banggood, the reviews are:

5 stars: 343 reviews
4 stars: 1 review
3 stars: 0
2 stars: 0
1 star: 0

Unanimous 5-star ratings except for one person. And that’s with NarsilM 1.0. This version should be even better, since it’s getting updated.

Please don’t believe in these comments. I wrote almost 200 and only comments with 5 stars were allowed. I didn’t see any of my <4 comments on Banggood. Once I was so angry for one item that I decided to gave it 5 stars, wrote a perfect review and upload 6 photos and on one wrote the warning. The comment a week later was gone.

But we are on the same side. I probably used a shortcut in my thoughts. For me Q8 is one of the best flashlight. Before Lumintop ODF30C, Q8 was my favourite toy.

I wrote it from my point of view.
If I order a flashlight from Sofirm now, I will get the copy of my Q8.
But for weeks there was a huge hype and I also was one of the first persons who want to buy that updated flashlight.
And they could do anything… This light uses four 18650 batteries. Is this so hard for Sofirn to project a small charger inside?
Let’s dream… Q8 v2, Andúril v2 :), USB port inside a tail cap with 4×2A charger, 99.9 CRI

Sofirn can do these step by step. Now we are working on SP36 with 3*18650 battery tube, 5V 2A USB-C charging port, NarsilM V1.2, output could be max 6000LM. While, many

people like high CRI led, we are going to choose one model to use that led, not decided yet. But with higher price, I don’t know how popular it will be in the market.

Tracy

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Packages sent to FBA warehouse arrived in Charlotte. Don’t know how severe the hurricane is in Charlotte. I think that’s why Q8 sent to Germany is available yesterday but not yet in amazon.com Sad

Hope it will be available soon in US.

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I agree, charging port on multi cell lights not best option.
But just a 4000k variant could be easy to do,that benefit for seller sales and for who no like cold light,hope to see that like Convoy do it from years (up to 4 free choises led tint)

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Sofirn wrote:

Sofirn can do these step by step. Now we are working on SP36 with 3*18650 battery tube, 5V 2A USB-C charging port, NarsilM V1.2, output could be max 6000LM. While, many

people like high CRI led, we are going to choose one model to use that led, not decided yet. But with higher price, I don’t know how popular it will be in the market.

Tracy

Wow… What that SP36 look can you show us the picture ?

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Satan@103TFS wrote:
Sofirn wrote:

Sofirn can do these step by step. Now we are working on SP36 with 3*18650 battery tube, 5V 2A USB-C charging port, NarsilM V1.2, output could be max 6000LM. While, many

people like high CRI led, we are going to choose one model to use that led, not decided yet. But with higher price, I don’t know how popular it will be in the market.

Tracy

Wow… What that SP36 look can you show us the picture ?


I have a prototype picture and it looks very nice but I’m not sure if Sofirn wants it posted?
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djozz wrote:
Satan@103TFS wrote:
Sofirn wrote:

Sofirn can do these step by step. Now we are working on SP36 with 3*18650 battery tube, 5V 2A USB-C charging port, NarsilM V1.2, output could be max 6000LM. While, many

people like high CRI led, we are going to choose one model to use that led, not decided yet. But with higher price, I don’t know how popular it will be in the market.

Tracy

Wow… What that SP36 look can you show us the picture ?


I have a prototype picture and it looks very nice but I’m not sure if Sofirn wants it posted?

I see ,@Sofirn what do you thinks about this ?

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It's finally moving after seven days from my order. Delay could be recent typhoon in HK and GZ area.

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Quad-XXX wrote:

And they could do anything… This light uses four 18650 batteries. Is this so hard for Sofirn to project a small charger inside?
Let’s dream… Q8 v2, Andúril v2 :), USB port inside a tail cap with 4×2A charger, 99.9 CRI
The Sofirn Q8 is & was to be a CW version of the TF Q8. Mission Accomplished.

Firmware is just fine.

A USB Charging port is not desired by the majority of people. It adds unnecessary cost, is something else to go wrong, & a place for water to leak inside.
In reality just ‘Bells & Whistles’ that serve no real purpose & are not desirable to most.

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teacher wrote:
Quad-XXX wrote:

And they could do anything… This light uses four 18650 batteries. Is this so hard for Sofirn to project a small charger inside?
Let’s dream… Q8 v2, Andúril v2 :), USB port inside a tail cap with 4×2A charger, 99.9 CRI
The Sofirn Q8 is & was to be a CW version of the TF Q8. Mission Accomplished.

Firmware is just fine.

A USB Charging port is not desired by the majority of people. It adds unnecessary cost, is something else to go wrong, & a place for water to leak inside.
In reality just ‘Bells & Whistles’ that serve no real purpose & are not desirable to most.


Agreeeeeeeed

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Sooo… the Q8 is listed as “in stock” on Amazon Germany
https://www.amazon.de/Sofirn-Leistungsstarke-Taschenlampe-6000-6500K-Fir...
Sold by “77 Outdoor” – is that Sofirn in Germany?

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Yes that’s Sofirn at Amazon Germany

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teacher wrote:
Quad-XXX wrote:
And they could do anything… This light uses four 18650 batteries. Is this so hard for Sofirn to project a small charger inside? Let’s dream… Q8 v2, Andúril v2 :), USB port inside a tail cap with 4×2A charger, 99.9 CRI

A USB Charging port is not desired by the majority of people. It adds unnecessary cost, is something else to go wrong, & a place for water to leak inside.
In reality just ‘Bells & Whistles’ that serve no real purpose & are not desirable to most.

Partially agree. I would like to see something where the battery carrier has the charge port. So the carrier (with multiple batteries) could be popped out and plugged in. When done charging, pop the carrier back in and close the cap. No extra ports to potentially leak, no reason to pop the individual batteries in/out of a carrier/etc.

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teacher wrote:

A USB Charging port is not desired by the majority of people. It adds unnecessary cost, is something else to go wrong, & a place for water to leak inside.

These majority of people didn’t have to search the mauled finger of 5 years old child after the explosion of a 18650 battery in the external ‘high-end’ “Chinese” charger.

No one said an external USB port. If I am not wrong, the tailcap of Q8 is useless. But after twisting it off there is a direct access to the battery ‘basket’. The whole side of ‘PCB’ is empty and could be used to mount some electronics like e.x. the charger. Close the back and who don’t want, charge the batteries externally. Li-ion chargers can be smaller than the nail now and cost $1.

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Quad-XXX wrote:
teacher wrote:

A USB Charging port is not desired by the majority of people. It adds unnecessary cost, is something else to go wrong, & a place for water to leak inside.

These majority of people didn’t have to search the mauled finger of 5 years old child after the explosion of a 18650 battery in the external ‘high-end’ “Chinese” charger.

No one said an external USB port. If I am not wrong, the tailcap of Q8 is useless. But after twisting it off there is a direct access to the battery ‘basket’. The whole side of ‘PCB’ is empty and could be used to mount some electronics like e.x. the charger. Close the back and who don’t want, charge the batteries externally. Li-ion chargers can be smaller than the nail now and cost $1.


A must would be insert a valves on the rear for exit gas in case of problem like E-cigarette,don’t know if there are lights on production with that
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An explosion in an open charger is bad – An explosion in a sealed light is a pipe bomb

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These majority of people didn’t have to search the mauled finger of 5 years old child after the explosion of a 18650 battery in the external ‘high-end’ “Chinese” charger.

This type of emo-reasoning does not help the discussion wether or not to add a charge port.
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No one said an external USB port. If I am not wrong, the tailcap of Q8 is useless. But after twisting it off there is a direct access to the battery ‘basket’. The whole side of ‘PCB’ is empty and could be used to mount some electronics like e.x. the charger.

You need at least a new electrical connection from the battery+ to the tail PCB for that, not impossible but it requires quite a bit more than just some extra components.
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I can’t get over how many people want a charger built into a flashlight. They want it cheap, don’t want to pay for quality components, but don’t want to lose life or limb when it all goes awry either. Not sure how anyone thinks a quality balance charger can only cost a dollar.

I, for one, simply will not charge a cell in an enclosed aircraft aluminum pipe. A good number of the lights I get with this built in charging feature get the charger eliminated quite quickly. I also seal the USB port with Sugru.

Why would anyone let a 5 yr old handle a Li-ion cell and charger? The new generation is getting lazier all the time, it’s so disappointing.

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djozz wrote:

You need at least a new electrical connection from the battery+ to the tail PCB for that, not impossible but it requires quite a bit more than just some extra components.

Plus how would you control each batteries individual charge? Some people might run 4 batteries where you would want at least 1A each or 4A total charging power. Some people might only use 1 battery in the light. If you put all 4A to one battery it’s too much. So it is very difficult to control.

A built in charger would almost assuredly require a sealed battery back. People really don’t like battery packs.

This conversation has nothing to do with the current Q8. The future Q8 v1.5 thread is the place to talk about it. Q8 v1.5 here.

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Sofirn wrote:

Sofirn can do these step by step. Now we are working on SP36 with 3*18650 battery tube, 5V 2A USB-C charging port, NarsilM V1.2, output could be max 6000LM. While, many

people like high CRI led, we are going to choose one model to use that led, not decided yet. But with higher price, I don’t know how popular it will be in the market.

Tracy


I forgot to ask, is the SP36 being discussed in the open or just through private messaging? It sounds very interesting.

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Correct, this thread is about an existing light that does not have this horrid feature. Wink

But for the record, where I come from the parents that were responsible for the safety of that 5 yr old should go to jail for allowing a charging Li-ion cell to be in the child’s possession. Criminal negligence or whatever you wish to call it, reckless behavior at the very least. We have spent years here stressing the importance of proper safety where these Li-ions are concerned. It Really is THAT important!

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DB Custom wrote:
Correct, this thread is about an existing light that does not have this horrid feature. Wink

But for the record, where I come from the parents that were responsible for the safety of that 5 yr old should go to jail for allowing a charging Li-ion cell to be in the child’s possession. Criminal negligence or whatever you wish to call it, reckless behavior at the very least. We have spent years here stressing the importance of proper safety where these Li-ions are concerned. It Really is THAT important!

It happened about 2 years ago. I worked as a paramedic then. I don’t know the law in USA. Parents claimed it was an accident. In my country I can’t realise that a court could be so strict to leave the child without parents after this. Parents have the punishment to the end of their life.. Probably they got a suspended sentence and the life went on.

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@Quad-XXX, what are the details of the story? I would love to know about it.

I would like to know which charger was it, what battery was it, was it shorted accidentally inside of the charger, etc.

A lithium ion cell does not explode unless it’s in complete meltdown and it does NOT have vent holes. Some counterfeit cells do not include these safeties, so it could be the reason.

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@Quad-XXX, when I stated above that this type of reasoning is not productive in the discussion, I was not aware that you were actually there with the incident. It makes more sense to me now that you used it in the discussion. Thumbs Up

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@Quad-XXX, what are the details of the story? I would love to know about it.

Let’s not encourage off-topic fear-mongering. At least not in this thread. It tends to have unfortunate effects on humans, and there are other threads where it may be more relevant.

Quad-XXX, the Q8 has no built-in charging because most people didn’t want it, and they have valid reasons for their preference. If someone wants a version with charging badly enough, they are free to start a new project and a new thread for it, but painting gory pictures here is not a productive way to make that happen.

Safety is important for high-power devices like li-ion cells. People should only use quality cells and quality chargers, with someone around, to reduce risk of fires or injuries. Cheap cells and cheap chargers are known to be dangerous, especially if left unattended.

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@BlueSwordM Do you know the difference between a paramedic and a policeman? All I remember was an ice, searching the ice, shouting the ice, punching all neighbours’ door and calling more ice. One hour later I had to be in the another place.

@djozz No problem. Everything is fine.

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