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Bestofferbuy has throwing knives. They're made of rather weak steel, so make sure to have an appropriate target (like soft wood).

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J888www wrote:

jekostas wrote:
.......Why did you bring this up?

Location: Surrey

I supose it is naive to assume that there's only one Surrey in the World.......so many naive people working for Google Search. Tongue out

Do you have any experiences with SanRenMu multi-tools, are the material of the equivalent grade as their knives ?

Just checked their site and ATM contemplating purchasing a few items just out of curiosity.

I guess I came across somewhat abrupt - I live in Canada.  We don't have nearly as aggressive knife laws as the UK, but I do know them well and follow them.  Locking blades are perfectly legal here.

Anyways, skip the multitools.  They're made by Ganzo (which is a different company altogether), and every major big-box store in the world carries them.  Multitools, due to the complexity and sheer cost of materials that go in to each, well, they're something you should be willing to spend a little money on.  I would say get a used Leatherman, Sog or Victorinox MT off of eBay or other used sites first - all of those companies make great products and will honour second- or third-purchaser warranties.

The knives are solid, though.

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Anyone from Australia have trouble getting knives in from Customs? I imagine throwing knives would be an issue but what about normal folding knives?

 

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I belive Australia is having the same problem as the UK, although I hear it is a lot worse for you.  Ironically throwing knives and even swords should be fine, but customs are confiscating any knives they find that can be opened by "centrifugal force" as a gravity knife.

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znmzdx/lightake: if you could get some cooyoo multitools too, that would be great.

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I had decided to stop buying new lights for a while (and focus on upgrading some older ones) to save some money for my next holiday, but you guys made me order 3 absolutely not needed pocket knives instead!

Well, as knives are one of my other interests, I guess I'll have to thank you.  :bigsmile:

I had stopped buying new knives several years ago because it was getting too expensive and have started making my own/modding old ones, but now I am excited to see what you get from China nowadays for around 10 USD apiece. I hope it's not that good, though, because there is a risk I could be ordering more...  Wink

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Huny74 wrote:

I had stopped buying new knives several years ago because it was getting too expensive and have started making my own/modding old ones, but now I am excited to see what you get from China nowadays for around 10 USD apiece. I hope it's not that good, though, because there is a risk I could be ordering more...  Wink

If you're ordering SRM knives... well, sorry to say you'll be ordering more.  Great knives for the money.  I was convinced to try one because of a review on Bladeforums last year and I now own and use four of them regularly.

Knife manufacturing got a massive boost about 10 years ago when a lot of American companies (Buck and Gerber are the big ones) started outsourcing production to China.  Quality went WAY up, but costs didn't go up nearly as fast because a lot of the R&D and training was essentially underwritten by established manufacturers.  Chinese manufacturers just have to shake the image of "low price, low quality" that's been built up over time.

Very, very similar to flashlight manufacturing in China in many ways.

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J888www wrote:

IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR ALL SELLERS TO FILL THE CUSTOMS FORM OMITTING THE WORD "KNIFE",  business may just become more plentiful.

I agree, "tools" or "cutlery" is a good description to use without lying.

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jekostas wrote:

If you're ordering SRM knives... well, sorry to say you'll be ordering more.  Great knives for the money.  I was convinced to try one because of a review on Bladeforums last year and I now own and use four of them regularly.

Well, I am already afraid you'll be right. Two are SRM (763 and 909) and one is a Ganzo (G704). They are way cheaper than getting just the materials to build your own. If they are any good I will have to close my paypal account in self-preservation. I hope they make it through customs without being noticed, though.

On the other hand, there is a certain satisfaction in making your own blade which I don't want to miss.

jekostas wrote:

Knife manufacturing got a massive boost about 10 years ago when a lot of American companies (Buck and Gerber are the big ones) started outsourcing production to China.  Quality went WAY up, but costs didn't go up nearly as fast because a lot of the R&D and training was essentially underwritten by established manufacturers.  Chinese manufacturers just have to shake the image of "low price, low quality" that's been built up over time.

Very, very similar to flashlight manufacturing in China in many ways.

And in another 10 years we'll be probably all driving chinese cars!  Big Smile (Well, at least mine became suddenly "chinese" last year)

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I bought some Sanrenmu knives, before knowing that Spyderco made it's knives at the same place with the same materials. When I saw Sal Glesser's(Spyderco's owner) post at British blades, I became aware that I could grab some pocket knifes, for a reasonable price, and made with somewhat quality materials.

I can't vouch for the multitools, because my Ganzo has not been used a great deal, but it is quite sturdy for what I use if for. Smallish things...

The pocket knives, as stated, aren't ultra tough, but they do hold an edge for a while, but as they aren't super hardened, they are fine for what I used them. What I like it's the easiness of sharpening, and using them only on soft materials, they can maintain uber sharpness(0.5micron strop) for quite a while.

And they are quite awesome for presents.

I have over 20 SRM knives though... way more than I need. As with flashlights, and kitchen knives.... *insert swaring* adictions with shinny(besides carbon knives) stuff! And my girlfriend does like them too! And uses them! Just what I need. Someone that understands, and likes... lol. It's a keeper!

Please don't make these knives more affordable!(not...)

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znmzdx/lightake: if you could get some cooyoo multitools too, that would be great.

Hi UltraMagnus,

Welcome to BLF , thanks for your advice , i will find itn the market next year (Chinese New Year is coming soon , a lot of market have colsed )

 

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J888www wrote:

While searching for a specific carabina owned/promoted by a certain member of a certain flashlight forum, I came across a site dedicated to people who have great interests in tactical items. It is called Usual Suspect, I decided not to visit again as I found the members to be a little too extreme for my taste, maybe it is suitable for those extremist members of this forum. Foot in mouth

NB: It is necessary to register in order to view their activities.

 

IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR ALL SELLERS TO FILL THE CUSTOMS FORM OMITTING THE WORD "KNIFE",  business may just become more plentiful.

Hope it was not offensive with the capitals/high-lights, just want to sure any sellers/dealers here notice it and REMEMBER.

Hi J888www,

Welcome to join in with us , I saw your location is 英國 ,I'm just curious , Are you a Chinese ? hope you don't mind it .  lol

 

Daniel

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 but you guys made me order 3 absolutely not needed pocket knives instead!

Hehe, I ordered already 4 since reading this thread (909, 710, Bee l05,Ganzo 704)

and am still looking for a reason to buy another one (or two..)

Lightake: I can't wait, I hope you can find some of the instinct 9 series

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pipopopo wrote:
 but you guys made me order 3 absolutely not needed pocket knives instead!

Hehe, I ordered already 4 since reading this thread (909, 710, Bee l05,Ganzo 704)

and am still looking for a reason to buy another one (or two..)

Lightake: I can't wait, I hope you can find some of the instinct 9 series

 

where did you buy them?

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where did you buy them?

Me from exduct.com

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I'm sorry to tell you a bad news , the 9 series have out of stock now , and the manufacture won't produce it again .

My shop on aliexpress , welcome to visit my shop !

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I'm sorry to tell you a bad news , the 9 series have out of stock now , and the manufacture won't produce it again

Never mind ; I like also the other series and they have the Bee line for bigger blades

 

Me from exduct.com

me also, hope to get them soon

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I received today the Enlan EL-01, the same as the Bee EL-01. You can see it in this review.

I've heard some good things about this knive, but having it in my hand just blew me away! It is not an urban EDC, because it's just too huge. But I'll certainly use it on the farm. And won't be afraid to abuse that 4mm thick blade! Freaking awesome!

Didn't buy it from exduct. Bought it from a guy at the same forum.

@Picture from BritishBlades.

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that www.exduct.com does freeshipping too?

And yes... damn you all with this thread... Big Smile

Now if anyone would like to share how to justify the purchase to your beloved half? (was hard enough with flashlights)

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Budgeteer wrote:

that www.exduct.com does freeshipping too?

And yes... damn you all with this thread... Big Smile

Now if anyone would like to share how to justify the purchase to your beloved half? (was hard enough with flashlights)

Unfortunately not. S&H to Sweden for the three was 10.73 $.

I don't justify. I just pretend to be surprised when the package arrives. It's not working of course, but you will have the eye-rolling only one time.

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Budgeteer wrote:

that www.exduct.com does freeshipping too?

And yes... damn you all with this thread... Big Smile

Now if anyone would like to share how to justify the purchase to your beloved half? (was hard enough with flashlights)

Buy her something really nice like jewelry and she won't mind when you want to buy something for yourself.  Give and take......and take.....and take. :bigsmile:

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J888www wrote:

Nowadays UK Police would prosecute you for carrying what is now classified as an offensive weapon.

 

Not 100% correct. You can carry a lock knife in the UK as long as you have a good reason to. Also a lock knife is not on the offensive weapon list.

But you are right in that you shouldn't EDC a locker in the UK (without a good reason), and if you did and you were caught you you'll be in trouble.

 

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My knives arrived last week and I have to say: Damn, they are good!

I like knives as part of outdoor equipment but similar as with flashlights they can turn into an addiction making you buying knives not only for practical purpose. In fact I have had quite a few for several years that have never seen any field use at all (yet).

The SRM 763, 909 (marked "Land") and the Ganzo 704 are all very well made, lock securely (no fail in spine wack test) and seem to be reliable, useful tools. The edges are reasonably sharp and all screws appear to be loctited (sorry for verbing). The price makes it easy to use them as they're meant to without being too afraid to damage them which is also less likely due to the good quality than with other, more expensive knives I own.

FYI They made it through customs disguised as "electronics, value US$ 10.00". Guess someone at exduct made a "mistake"... :bigsmile:

Here's the trio:

SRM 909, 763 and Ganzo 704

 

Nice spacer sleeves on the Ganzo:

Ganzo spacer sleeves

 

The SRM 763 is smaller than I expected, it will make a good backup knife. Here it is next to one of my bigger shelf queens (show off alert!):

763 vs BMF

 

Now I definitely have to close my paypal account. Wink

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Which you like best so far? I ordered the 909 too.
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Huny74 wrote:

My knives arrived last week and I have to say: Damn, they are good!

I like knives as part of outdoor equipment but similar as with flashlights they can turn into an addiction making you buying knives not only for practical purpose. In fact I have had quite a few for several years that have never seen any field use at all (yet).

The SRM 763, 909 (marked "Land") and the Ganzo 704 are all very well made, lock securely (no fail in spine wack test) and seem to be reliable, useful tools. The edges are reasonably sharp and all screws appear to be loctited (sorry for verbing). The price makes it easy to use them as they're meant to without being too afraid to damage them which is also less likely due to the good quality than with other, more expensive knives I own.

FYI They made it through customs disguised as "electronics, value US$ 10.00". Guess someone at exduct made a "mistake"... :bigsmile:

Here's the trio:

SRM 909, 763 and Ganzo 704

 

Nice spacer sleeves on the Ganzo:

Ganzo spacer sleeves

 

The SRM 763 is smaller than I expected, it will make a good backup knife. Here it is next to one of my bigger shelf queens (show off alert!):

763 vs BMF

 

Now I definitely have to close my paypal account. Wink

Wow....very, very nice. Cool

That Gerber knife reminds me of my Rambo knife in Alaska which I used everytime I went hunting.  I had to sell it along with everything else before moving here. Cry

 

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Vectrex wrote:
Which you like best so far? I ordered the 909 too.

I like the Ganzo best. It has a rather thick blade (3.8 mm max) which is marked "440C" - still a good steel and should hold the edge better than 8Cr13MoV. The handle has just the right length for my hands. The only "con" is the rather hard clip. It's almost impossible to lose it by accident, but it is hard to clip in your pocket and will eventually damage any fabric.

The 909 is also very good. And it has a very good clip - optimal balance between flexibility and firmness, but the blade finish is semi-mirror (well, that's just my personal preference) and the thumb pin is only on the left side, so it is a little bit complicated to open it with the left hand. I am right handed but I prefer being able to operate my tools equally with both hands. The excellent handle (the steel liner opposite to the locking liner has four large holes obviously with no other purpose than weight reduction, very unusual in this price range) is ok sizewise for me (I have EU-size 8 ) but if you have significantly larger hands or are wearing gloves it can be too short. Blade thickness is 2.8 mm max.

Both blades feature flat grind.

I have an old Spyderco Military imported from the US in the 90's (cause there were no plain edge models available in Europe by then) which is still one of my favorite edc and it has a much superior steel BUT the build quality is not a bit better compared to the Ganzo or the SRM which cost both together less than 1/10 of the Spyderco.

Sorry for repeating myself: Damn!

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Thanks for your first impressions.... I'm happy that I ordered some of the 900 series knives... that 763 looks too small in comparison.... and I have EU-size 10 hands... that Ganzo looks really tempting...

Isn't 8Cr13MoV a higher steel (harder) than 440C and should hold an edge better or am I thinking wrong?

I read somewhere else:

Chinese 440A is technically 5CR15MOV steel,

Chinese 440C is technically 7CR17MOV steel.

Chinese AUS6 is technically 5CR13MOV steel.

Chinese AUS8 is technically 8CR13MOV steel.

Chinese AUS8A is technically 8CR14MOV steel.

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Vectrex wrote:

Isn't 8Cr13MoV a higher steel (harder) than 440C or am I thinking wrong?

I read somewhere else:

Chinese 440A is technically 5CR15MOV steel,

Chinese 440C is technically 7CR17MOV steel.

Chinese AUS6 is technically 5CR13MOV steel.

Chinese AUS8 is technically 8CR13MOV steel.

Chinese AUS8A is technically 8CR14MOV steel.

According to the (german Wink ) Stahlschluessel 440C is specified by

C: 0.95-1.2%, Cr: 16-18%, Mo: 0,75%, Mn: 1.0%, Si: 1.0%

8Cr13MoV contains by definition

C: 0.80%, Cr: 13%, Mo: 0,15%, , V: 0.1%, Mn: 0.4%, Si: 0.5%, P: 0.02%.

I believe that most china-made "440C" blades are really 9Cr18MoV steel which comes close but is still not the same

It is true that 8Cr13MoV can be hardened to a higher HRC (usually 58-60) than 440C (around 58), but the 440C contains more Chrome and Molybdenum which together with the (higher) Carbon form more carbides. Properly heat treated (you want them to be small) these are to a large part responsible for the edge holding capability of a blade. The problem is that the carbides are too small to influence the normally used Rockwell hardness test distinctly, so a harder steel does not automatically mean better edge holding.

However, I am sure you will love your new toys tools!

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Thanks for the explanation... but then I wonder why even Buck, Kershaw and Spyderco use this steel... purely costs?

Some of this posts in a interesting thread imply that most "Chinese 440C" isn't actual 440C ... now I don't know what to believe... here in Germany we have a long steel tradition, but much gets outsourced to China these days ...

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Isn't 8Cr13MoV a higher steel (harder) than 440C and should hold an edge better or am I thinking wrong?

hardness is mostly defined by the heat treatment.

for example plain spring steel (1095) can go from about 40 to 63 rockwell

Also in a 1 to 1 test it is impossible to find diffrences in edge retention between for example 440A and 440C or AUS6 and AUS8 (same knife brand same edge)

Some of the Sanrenmu blades were tested on an other forum and the hardness was 59-60 (ok for smaller blades/to hard for larger blades)

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