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Scallywag wrote:
Also, most at BLF are critical of the more expensive flashlights out there, and skeptical that something equal or better can’t be made for cheaper.

As it’s been proven numerous times by our designers/programmers and the manufacturers willing to take up the designs. The Lumintop BLF GT (affordable ultra-thrower), Convoy L6 (budget-friendly XHP70 monster), Thorfire BLF Q8 (great cheap coke can blaster) and several others are excellent examples.

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…we’re flashoholics. We view lights more as toys and as a hobby rather than tools.
I think this about sums it up.

The feeling I get from this forum is that most of us are hobbyists. We enjoy playing with our lights, getting new lights, seeing what can be done with lights, and modding lights. There is a free-wheeling spirit of creativity here not present on any other flashlight forum. Cool

Most of us here on BLF don’t rely on our lights as tools for life or death situations. Our lights are toys, and we probably don’t even need them.

That said, the knowledge base on this forum is quite high. If you are seeking info on tank-like super-reliable, but possibly low-output professional lights, chances are someone here will know the answer to your question. But at the same time you might find more info on other forums that focus more on people who use their lights professionally in their jobs.

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I have realized this forum is not for people who need high quality, tough built, lower lumen, lights to save their lives, but lights that are fun and that are non tactical.

Now that I understand that my topics will change. Yes, there are some operators here but not many. I will sit back and enjoy the forum. Thanks everyone!

Some of us also “operate” differently and in different environments.

Yeah I’m more worried about not tripping on something while walking the dog or being able to find the breaker box in the dark than having a light that can survive an EMP. You could give me all the prepper gear in the world and I’d probably be screwed anyway in SHTF scenario.

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Enablers; I only had a few until this forum; now, well, I’d have to go count them.
I don’t remember how I found this forum but I’m here now; never met a flashlight I didn’t like; be it $2 or $40.
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Watch out everyone, we got a badass in here!

When people make the statement above accompanied with the gif below it makes me very happy.. every time!

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You have a preconceived idea about this community and what a flashlight should look like and should be, it’s fine, but personnaly I don’t need a community to have the same ideas than me about life and flashlights. I don’t need people to validate my own tastes, opinions and concerns about life and flashlights. Anyway…you appreciate flashlights from brands that I do not appreciate for my own particular reasons but who cares, you are welcome here.

Exactly. The beauty of BLF is that when/if someone has a question about something, whether it’s a P60 drop-in or a MagLite conversion or potted weapon lights, even in-depth driver design or firmware programming, others help. Also, most at BLF are critical of the more expensive flashlights out there, and skeptical that something equal or better can’t be made for cheaper.

lol first thing I realized when I joined was damn… I’ve got good lights but MAN have I been overspending on BRAND names!! Facepalm

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CREEXHP70LED wrote:
I have realized something about this community.
I have realized this forum is not for people who need high quality, tough built, lower lumen, lights to save their lives, but lights that are fun and that are non tactical.

Now that I understand that my topics will change. Yes, there are some operators here but not many. I will sit back and enjoy the forum. Thanks everyone!
I really like this place a lot very informative!

Quoted, preserved!”

“I have realized this forum is not for people who need high quality (*1), tough built (*2), lower lumen (*3), lights to save their lives (*4), but lights that are fun and that are non tactical (*5).”

My comments:
*1: large numbers of popular flashlights discussed in BLF are of high quality
*2: Intelligent people don’t smack nails with flashlight, they usually use a hammer for the job
*3: If we can make brighter and more efficient flashlight why should we stays dim and inefficient?
*4: Sounds very much like a marketing slogan to me. Your flashlight don’t save lives, it’s the people who knows how to use their light properly do.
*5: Have fun while you can, life is short. What’s is this tactical term refers to? Most are just tacticool than tactical.

[Clemence]

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I do sincerely hope that this forum does not become another quarrelsome, contentious place with people coming along looking to start stupid arguments or strut their self imagined superiority. That’s already starting to show itself in the FW3A thread.

There’s a flashlight board elsewhere on the ‘net that supports members with that kind of attitude; lets keep this one as a place where people help each other out with technical advice, unbiased opinions and helpful tips for newcomers.

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there are many motivations here
mine is to optimize good UI, decent light levels, small size, and expense
if it fails .01% of the time, i can use another one, that isn;t my main thing
i carry a light ALL THE TIME, and use it about 100 times a day
most of those are not life threatening
but i do want to enjoy the UI, have a range of light levels, easily accessible, and be small enough for ME to like carrying

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I’m from the area around Ft. Bragg. If you meet a real “operator” it will likely not be on any forum. The few I have the privelege of meeting never identified themselves as such. They were family men who spent as much time as they could with their family and friends. It was telling though when two of the guys in our neighborhood would be home and then be gone ,as in right now, and not return for 10 or more days. One fellow even left in the middle of the day and left tools in the yard as he was building a picnic table at the time. Putting one together with the other led me to ask a retired E-8 about it. We are close friends and he said those two were part of a special outfit that was kept on a short leash until they were needed to make “a special point”. I am not sure if that phrase has a special significance to it or no. Maybe a vet can elaborate. Most of the preppers and survival cowboys “would shoot your eye out kid” even with all the neat attachments that gun shops are happy to sell them.

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I’m from the area around Ft. Bragg. If you meet a real “operator” it will likely not be on any forum. The few I have the privelege of meeting never identified themselves as such. They were family men who spent as much time as they could with their family and friends. It was telling though when two of the guys in our neighborhood would be home and then be gone ,as in right now, and not return for 10 or more days. One fellow even left in the middle of the day and left tools in the yard as he was building a picnic table at the time. Putting one together with the other led me to ask a retired E-8 about it. We are close friends and he said those two were part of a special outfit that was kept on a short leash until they were needed to make “a special point”. I am not sure if that phrase has a special significance to it or no. Maybe a vet can elaborate. Most of the preppers and survival cowboys “would shoot your eye out kid” even with all the neat attachments that gun shops are happy to sell them.

Makes me think about a certain time long ago but not forgotten. When some old country boys in a new land, modded and played with musket’s that could accurately shoot further than the enemy. So they kept their distance and stayed hidden, while the enemy in bright red could fire away with their production guns and never hit a thing. We won our independence.
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wle wrote:
there are many motivations here

Mine was to find a mail order bride.

So far, all I got are budget flashlights…

Moses came from the mountaintop carrying a tablet. The Words were....WITH GREAT LUMENS COMES GREAT REPONSIBILITY.

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Spartan wrote:
wle wrote:
there are many motivations here

Mine was to find a mail order bride.

So far, all I got are budget flashlights…


Worth it tho.

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Spartan wrote:
wle wrote:
there are many motivations here

Mine was to find a mail order bride.

So far, all I got are budget flashlights…

You’ll just have your money get taken and then receive a fake tracking number on the bride Smile
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And if you ever do get her she will have low freq PWM eyes!

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And if you ever do get her she will have low freq PWM eyes!
Or be like Naomi Wu with her Wearable Fiber Optic Implant Transillumination

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Most are just tacticool than tactical.[Clemence]

LOVE IT!!

Check out my Tacticool strike bezel! …you mean tactical?… No, TactiCOOL! …That’s not a word… lol yeah I know, but did you really think there have actually been cases where a 3-7mm strike bezel on a flashlight ever provided an actual tactical advantage?

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Muto wrote:
And if you ever do get her she will have low freq PWM eyes!
Or be like Naomi Wu with her Wearable Fiber Optic Implant Transillumination

Potential NSFW warning.

For all here on BLF… that creates a whole new meaning to the term.. FUN BAGS

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Spartan wrote:
wle wrote:
there are many motivations here

Mine was to find a mail order bride.

So far, all I got are budget flashlights…

Don’t lose sight of your objective! I’ve come across a couple threads where people were working on a new advanced UI for exactly what you’re looking for!

Just wait until you try the new turbo mode

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mattadores wrote:
Just wait until you try the new turbo mode
Which will only last 30 seconds, but that may be plenty enough for most guys. Smile
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mattadores wrote:
Just wait until you try the new turbo mode
Which will only last 30 seconds, but that may be plenty enough for most guys. Smile

Some might even prefer momentary

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Best part is you can shut it OFF when you are done playing with it.

The difference between Hoarding and Collecting is the illusion of Organization
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Best part is you can shut it OFF when you are done playing with it.

And the Inventor of the Year award goes too… Big Smile

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Muto wrote:
And if you ever do get her she will have low freq PWM eyes!
Or be like Naomi Wu with her Wearable Fiber Optic Implant Transillumination

Potential NSFW warning.


Thanks, dude, now I have another voluptuous and brilliant gadgeteer to be a fan of Big Smile

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“Lower output reliable lights to save lives”

It’s not going to save anybody’s life if it’s not there when needed, we usually keep the brightest light around.

99% of said life-saving situations is to actually being able to see in the dark.

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To the fella asking if a strike bezel has ever had a use I can say yes to that. Being unable to carry a personal firearm when traveling to and from my duty station, I EDC a folding pocket knife and of course a flashlight. I used to carry a Klaurus XT11 with the aggresive strike bezel. Sitting at a stop light one afternoon a questionable person approached the window of my truck and asked for change and I didnt have any. He kept asking and getting a little more aggresive with his tone and pleading. Meanwhile his hand was on the doorsill and he starting sliding it further into the truck as if reaching for something. Not wanting to eacalate anything I pushed his hand back firmly. He then proceeded to shove his whole arm in the window across my body. Now I was mad and pulled the flashlight with my left hand since I was pushing his arm away from my body with my right and whacked his forearm with it like a baton. He started yelling at me and wildly grabbing around so I jabbed pretty hard with the strike bezel a few times and he jumped back from the truck. Now Im looking for somewhere to pull away but traffic still wasnt moving. Meanwhile he is kicking my front tire and slapped my mirror forward and Im fumbling for my cell phone which slid somewhere in the tussle. Finally the light turns green and traffic pulls away, I drive about a block and pull into a lot to call the Police. Turns out they have had several calls about this man being forcefull and snatching things from vehicles. I do think a flashlight has a place as defensive tool even to average people. The situation did not warrant deadly force with a firearm or even my pocketknife and the officers agreed that I made the right choice in self defense. I feel this was a scerario that is more commonplace to average citizens than combat or intruders in the home so maybe strike bezels have a place for a low level self defense and there are many classes offered that teach how to use the small keychain kubatons and Im
sure the same techniques apply to maybe a Convoy S2 also. In combat training using a flashlight combined with a pistol we train a few different ways of use. Never with a WML on a pistol since you may not want to point the pistol at a non combatant but still need a light. Using multiple styles of holding the flashlight we practice scenarios of coming around a corner and finding yourself face to face with another person. Being so close ID can be difficult, having the pistol extended in front of you becomes a liability, either in unitentionally pushing it into someone and having the slide come out of battery or tucking too close to yourself and trying to fire can cause the weapon to not cycle properly causing a jam or misfeed. With a good flashlight in the other hand we practice striking towards the face or hands with it to create distance and maintain suprise. At worst you poke a friendly instead of shooting blindly in a panic, and youve given yourself a split second longer to assess the situation. Any ways long rant but yes strike bezels on flashlights have a place in and out of combat. But with any tool out there training and practice is critical. Muscle memory is king.
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To the fella asking if a strike bezel has ever had a use I can say yes to that. Being unable to carry a personal firearm when traveling to and from my duty station, I EDC a folding pocket knife and of course a flashlight. I used to carry a Klaurus XT11 with the aggresive strike bezel. Sitting at a stop light one afternoon a questionable person approached the window of my truck and asked for change and I didnt have any. He kept asking and getting a little more aggresive with his tone and pleading. Meanwhile his hand was on the doorsill and he starting sliding it further into the truck as if reaching for something. Not wanting to eacalate anything I pushed his hand back firmly. He then proceeded to shove his whole arm in the window across my body. Now I was mad and pulled the flashlight with my left hand since I was pushing his arm away from my body with my right and whacked his forearm with it like a baton. He started yelling at me and wildly grabbing around so I jabbed pretty hard with the strike bezel a few times and he jumped back from the truck. Now Im looking for somewhere to pull away but traffic still wasnt moving. Meanwhile he is kicking my front tire and slapped my mirror forward and Im fumbling for my cell phone which slid somewhere in the tussle. Finally the light turns green and traffic pulls away, I drive about a block and pull into a lot to call the Police. Turns out they have had several calls about this man being forcefull and snatching things from vehicles. I do think a flashlight has a place as defensive tool even to average people. The situation did not warrant deadly force with a firearm or even my pocketknife and the officers agreed that I made the right choice in self defense. I feel this was a scerario that is more commonplace to average citizens than combat or intruders in the home so maybe strike bezels have a place for a low level self defense and there are many classes offered that teach how to use the small keychain kubatons and Im sure the same techniques apply to maybe a Convoy S2 also. In combat training using a flashlight combined with a pistol we train a few different ways of use. Never with a WML on a pistol since you may not want to point the pistol at a non combatant but still need a light. Using multiple styles of holding the flashlight we practice scenarios of coming around a corner and finding yourself face to face with another person. Being so close ID can be difficult, having the pistol extended in front of you becomes a liability, either in unitentionally pushing it into someone and having the slide come out of battery or tucking too close to yourself and trying to fire can cause the weapon to not cycle properly causing a jam or misfeed. With a good flashlight in the other hand we practice striking towards the face or hands with it to create distance and maintain suprise. At worst you poke a friendly instead of shooting blindly in a panic, and youve given yourself a split second longer to assess the situation. Any ways long rant but yes strike bezels on flashlights have a place in and out of combat. But with any tool out there training and practice is critical. Muscle memory is king. Take it as you will.

I like it! Thanks for the insider info, especially the proper use in a weapon drawn close-range situation. Makes a lot of sense for a police officer or licenced carry individual.

I’m from Canada however and things are very, very different here. Weapons of any kind are totally prohibited. The laws here state that if you’re caught carrying a weapon or anything that can be used as a weapon and you aren’t in the process of an activity requiring it or on your way to/from said activity you can be charged with possession. It’s also illegal in most cases to use a weapon for self defense as the law states you’re only allowed to use reasonable force (or some other specific “force” term) to prevent further attack. In Canada you would be fine shoving the assailants arm back out of your truck but the moment you struck him with the bezel you could easily be charged with assault with a weapon.

I’ve done some research on the topic and here was kind of the easiest way to understand Canada’s law: if you’re a woman walking your dog in a coyote prevalent area and you’re carrying bear mace that’s a possession charge. (regular mace is prohibited for sale or ownership in Canada) If you’re a woman in bear country walking your dog carrying bear mace that’s allowed but if you were to be attacked by a rapist in that situation and used your mace you’d be charged with assault with a weapon. You could use a walking stick to ward the attacker off but not an actual weapon. You could also only use the walking stick to prevent further attack and the moment the attacker stopped attacking if you struck him or chased after him or tried to puncture him during the attack with it you’re liable to be charged

I’m glad to hear that Tacticool attachments are indeed applicable and I also like how you enlightened me as to why cops don’t ever use WML. Hadn’t ever crossed my mind that you’d have to point your gun at a 5 year old to identify them in the dark without a separate flashlight in your other hand.

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toddcshoe wrote:
I can’t believe this has to continue to be done for the purpose of educating gun magazine cowboys. A flashlight is not tactical in nature. Neither is any other tool. That is what a flashlight is, a tool.

Definition of tactical
1 : of or relating to combat tactics: such as
a(1) : of or occurring at the battlefront
a tactical defense
a tactical first strike
(2) : using or being weapons or forces employed at the battlefront
tactical missiles
b of an air force : of, relating to, or designed for air attack in close support of friendly ground forces
2a

of or relating to tactics: such as
(1) : of or relating to small-scale actions serving a larger purpose
(2) : made or carried out with only a limited or immediate end in view
b : adroit in planning or maneuvering to accomplish a purpose

Again, a flashlight is a tool, nothing about it is tactical. If a flashlight was tactical then any device used to service anything you think is tactical would be tactical too. So every die, drill, lathe, screw driver, etc etc etc, would have to be tactical as well. See where this will easily get out of hand?

Now since we know that a flashlight is a tool and performs really no tactical duty. We can now have sub sections of people using flashlights. Ya know, sorta like we have sub sections of people who collect guns or anything else. Hobbyist, copper lovers, titanium lovers, cri lovers, high lumen lovers, looking for crap in the closet folks, police officers, firemen, SAR folks, the list could literally be never ending. Still, not a single example makes that light tactical.

Think about this. As Recoil magazine and any other rag that uses the word tactical every other sentence steer you towards Streamlight and Surefire. Know that those two companies alone provide millions of dollars to Gun rags everywhere to make sure they gets lots of pages in ads and lots of pages in reviews. Not a single person ever working for a gun mag has ever had to pay money out of his or her own pocket for a Streamlight or Surefire. Both of which have failed miserably on more than one weapon of mine. Now I buy host lights and build and pot my own.

Now I am sure all the firearms forums will gladly welcome your bias towards your so called tactical flashlights. Most people try and stick with folks who share their same interest. Not walk in the front door and insult them. And that sir, is exactly what you have done.

Todd, Nicely stated man. All of us guys on here come from different backgrounds but lighting encompasses our lives. But for the most part we understand each other. The OP really DOES NOT know meaning of “ Tactical “.

I have had to unfortunately take lives, and also I do EDC a knife, light and gun 24/7. If they are not on me (only when taking a shower,) they are all within reach. Thanks to those who have been mature in their posts.

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Great exmaple of why you shouldn’t have your windows down driving through busy areas where you will have to stop frequently at least.

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