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Goodbye C Drive

I have a laptop and a desktop.

My mom has a laptop.

I'm in charge of the computers.

Yesterday, I upgraded my mom's laptop from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

The upgrade worked, but the boot time was very slow.

So I Googled the problem, applied many fixes, and now it boots quickly.

One thing I did was install was TweakBit Driver Updater, which updates drivers very quickly.

It worked great on her laptop, so I installed and ran the program on my desktop.

After updating many drivers, I restarted my desktop, and it would not boot.

I have spent many hours trying to fix the problem.

As a last resort, I am reinstalling Windows 10 on my desktop, but in the process I am losing everything on the C drive!

I think just about the only thing on the C drive was Windows and almost all of the programs that I installed.

I don't even know if this will work, but that's where I'm at right now.

 

Anyways, the moral of the story is:

Do not use software to update drivers!

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By the way, this is the first time in many years when I have killed a computer.

I don't usually have problems like this, and so far it really sucks.

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Next time, make a bootable Ubuntu USB drive, and back up the important data onto an external drive.

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That sucks! Hope you’re not losing a lot of data in the process. If not, might be an opportunity to start fresh and clean.

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raccoon city wrote:

By the way, this is the first time in many years when I have killed a computer.


I don’t usually have problems like this, and so far it really sucks.


A clean install will wipe your files and installed programs but you can also reinstall Windows on top of the existing one which won’t delete existing files.
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Always a good idea to backup important data externally before doing any kind of system update.

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BlueSwordM wrote:
Next time, make a bootable Ubuntu USB drive, and back up the important data onto an external drive.

Periodically making a clone or an image of the drive is also a good thing to do. I prefer doing that rather than backing up files since I can plug a cloned drive into the computer and be up and running in a few minutes with no need to install the o/s.
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What was wrong with win7 ?

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mortuus wrote:
What was wrong with win7 ?

“if it aint broke, dont fix it”

Although I don’t disagree, Win7 is very close to end of life/end of support. No more patches.

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Right now I am trying to install Windows 7 because that's what the computer came with, and I still have the installation disc.

If that doesn't work, I'm in real trouble.

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BlueSwordM wrote:

Next time, make a bootable Ubuntu USB drive, and back up the important data onto an external drive.

I haven't backed up to an external drive in a long time, but I should have used that backup.

I think I'll do that if I can get Windows 7 to install.  :THUMBS-UP:

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SIGShooter wrote:

A clean install will wipe your files and installed programs but you can also reinstall Windows on top of the existing one which won't delete existing files.

I'm aware of that, but that was not an option as Windows would not boot.

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Firelight2 wrote:

Always a good idea to backup important data externally before doing any kind of system update.

I really should have done that!  :BEER:

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mortuus wrote:

What was wrong with win7 ?

“if it aint broke, dont fix it”

I like Windows 10 more than Windows 7.

But I liked Windows 7 more than Windows 8.

Windows 10 seems to be the fastest.  :-)

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raccoon city wrote:

SIGShooter wrote:

A clean install will wipe your files and installed programs but you can also reinstall Windows on top of the existing one which won’t delete existing files.


I’m aware of that, but that was not an option as Windows would not boot.


I thought that there was a Startup Repair option with the Win7 installation disk. But it’s been a long since I installed Win7 on a PC Sad
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I now have a fresh copy of Windows 7!

SIGShooter wrote:

I thought that there was a Startup Repair option with the Win7 installation disk. But it’s been a long since I installed Win7 on a PC Sad

I had Win10, and there is Startup Repair, but NONE of the options worked.

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If you haven’t wiped it out yet, you should be able to get the data (based on the description). If you have a place to put the files, a USB stick, and another computer you can use a “Live” USB (something like Ubuntu as suggested above) to get access to the files and copy them to a safe place.

Anything important on there you need?

I’m happy to help walk you through some of that. This is what I do for a living (well… mostly servers and networks these days, but I do occasionally assist the “Desktop Support” guys)

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yea you need to back up personal files before upgrading. Also your chrome bookmarks. Maybe registry files of your most used files say on Media Player Classic or bookmarks on pdf/comic reader etc… Also back-up your passwords stored on the PC etc..Windows sometimes does a nice upgrade and keeps old files, but when the updates or patches go back they do a “total refresh” and don’t save your files.

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feilox wrote:

yea you need to back up personal files before upgrading. Also your chrome bookmarks. Maybe registry files of your most used files say on Media Player Classic or bookmarks on pdf/comic reader etc… Also back-up your passwords stored on the PC etc..Windows sometimes does a nice upgrade and keeps old files, but when the updates or patches go back they do a “total refresh” and don’t save your files.

It wasn't the upgrade from Win7 to Win10 that caused the problem.

It was TweakBit Driver Updater.

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If you haven’t wiped it out yet, you should be able to get the data (based on the description). If you have a place to put the files, a USB stick, and another computer you can use a “Live” USB (something like Ubuntu as suggested above) to get access to the files and copy them to a safe place.

Anything important on there you need?

I’m happy to help walk you through some of that. This is what I do for a living (well… mostly servers and networks these days, but I do occasionally assist the “Desktop Support” guys)

I already wiped it out.

I do have a backup from last year that I will try to restore.

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For the Chrome stuff, if you sign in with a Google account you can sync all the bookmarks/history/saved passwords/etc. Not a bad idea to get that going if you are friendly with Google.

You can use OneDrive or Google Drive to keep some of the more important stuff synced to the cloud in case you have any future issues.

I agree re: using third party software to update drivers.. Windows Update on Windows 10 seems to grab the drivers for almost any device automatically, and I tend to use that for everything except maybe fancier graphics adapters or highly specialized hardware (things like Panoramic X-ray machines, old dot matrix printers, etc).

If your computer is a Dell/Lenovo/etc you can usually get their software to install and update the drivers. These are trustworthy, but I’ve had mixed results with nag screens and advertising on some of those.

Get your backups running automatically for the important stuff, and check them at least once in a while. For anything critical, I recommend the “3-2-1” strategy: 3 copies of the data, 2 different storage mediums (disk, cloud, DVD, tape, stone tablets, etc), 1 copy off-site.

Since you are on Windows, you can write a batch script to run a robocopy job on specific folders. you could even use the task scheduler to run this automatically. These tools are built into Windows and work well. TONS of info on the internet about how to get them working because they’ve been around for a long time. I could probably mock up a script to help you get started. It is pretty simple once you have a template.

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e1000 wrote:
mortuus wrote:
What was wrong with win7 ?

“if it aint broke, dont fix it”

Although I don’t disagree, Win7 is very close to end of life/end of support. No more patches.


Does not really matter. I have under maintenance a few machines running XP, working as it should.
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sp5it wrote:
e1000 wrote:
mortuus wrote:

What was wrong with win7 ?

“if it aint broke, dont fix it”

Although I don't disagree, Win7 is very close to end of life/end of support. No more patches.
Does not really matter. I have under maintenance a few machines running XP, working as it should.

Mike

Yep, there will most likely be hacks to extend the life of Win7 machines just like those that exist for WinXP machines.  :THUMBS-UP:

I like to try out the different OS's and see which works best for me.

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@raccoon city
What happend exactly when you tried to boot. When did it crash?
If the driver tool intalled inapropiate ahci drivers the system would not boot anymore. But you could have changed the option to use ahci in the bios. If this was the problem your system would have started again. And then you could have installed the correct driver again.
Would be helpfull to know more about the problem to help.

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@raccoon city
What happend exactly when you tried to boot. When did it crash?
If the driver tool intalled inapropiate ahci drivers the system would not boot anymore. But you could have changed the option to use ahci in the bios. If this was the problem your system would have started again. And then you could have installed the correct driver again.
Would be helpfull to know more about the problem to help.

I don't know if the problem was with AHCI drivers.

It's too late to try to fix it as I formatted the C drive.

Next time, though.  ;)

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NEVER UPDATE DRIVERS!

maybe 20 years ago it was a good idea to update drivers, but nowadays if you update drivers you WILL get more problems.
That is because software development, and especially driver development has reached an all time low. Everyone is now a programmer and incompetence has plagued this industry.
I’m still on Windows 7, and Yosemite on Mac and I will use them as long as I can do my job. Newer versions are terrible

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I had a problem a few months ago with Windows 10 on my gaming PC. Intermittent crashes had become frequent and it had started crashing several times a day.

When I went to reinstall Windows, I noticed an option to reinstall without erasing my data. I used this and then reinstalled. The computer now works perfectly with no crashes.

The problem was the razor copperhead gaming mouse I’d been using. The latest available drivers were 10+ years old and were incompatible with Windows 10. Getting a newer gaming mouse with Windows 10 compatible drivers and installing that in conjunction with system reinstall fixed the problem.

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Firelight2 wrote:

When I went to reinstall Windows, I noticed an option to reinstall without erasing my data. I used this and then reinstalled. The computer now works perfectly with no crashes.

I tried to do that, but that option did not work for me.

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mortuus wrote:
What was wrong with win7 ?

How much time ya got?

At least I was able to beat xp into submission that it wouldn’t piss me off on an ongoing regular basis. In fact, xp was almost tolerable.

Got forced almost literally at gunpoint at work to switch to 7. Then shortly after to 10.

Now I know what Hell is like.

7 and especially 10 are ugly, slow, cumbersome at best, and if you’re a visually-oriented monkey who uses the mouse for everything including scrolling a page up/down, then you might be able to tolerate it, but if you’re like me and hardly ever touch the mouse/trackpad/whatever and use the keyboard for pretty much everything, it Just Doesn’t Work.

Try the settings pages, where options require scrolling the page up/down. TRY to do it via keyboard (arrows, tab, etc.). No, you need the mouse to find the f’n light-gray on even-lighter-gray scrollbar to drag it up/down.

I think 10 was written by Hitler from beyond the grave just to get his final revenge on the world.

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f0xx wrote:
If you haven’t wiped it out yet, you should be able to get the data (based on the description). If you have a place to put the files, a USB stick, and another computer you can use a “Live” USB (something like Ubuntu as suggested above) to get access to the files and copy them to a safe place.

I was just gonna suggest something like that. With Ubuntu you can actually repartition the drive into 2 separate ones, copy raw data from partition 1 to 2, then do the install on partition 1.

I had to try to pull important files from a laptop (not mine) whose drive was getting worse and worse (in hardware), and I did manage to pull files off but onto an external drive instead.

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I like Windows 10 with an SSD. My computer boots up in 10 seconds or less.

Way better than my old gaming comp that had Vista64 on it. That dinosaur took 2-3 minutes to boot up.

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