is there a light that will stop a atacking dog?

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In that situation a few bite marks are a perfect defense.

Come on now. That’s flawed logic. Would it also be prudent to have a few gunshot wounds on you before returning fire? Ya know, for a perfect defense.

My take on dogs charging you or ambushing you. No way of telling if he is bluffing or not. Just like people, all dogs are different. All are individuals. We carry no responsibility to judge if the dog is faking it or not. We do have the responsibility of making sure we are legal in using deadly force but, not to the point of seeing seconds into the future. Sort of as above. Do we have to wait for an armed person to shoot, stab or otherwise critically harm us until we can react? No of course not.

That said, local laws may keep you from carrying a firearm but there are options. In all but a handful of states, you can carry a taser. I would recommend the ones that fire those barbs into flesh. You don’t have to get super close for those to be wickedly effective. The OP lives in Georgia. If I remember correctly there are no laws prohibiting him from carry a taser. I might be wrong, if so please correct me.

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When I was active and there was a possibility I would have to shoot a dog, my rule was: If you shoot a dog better have a bite mark.

Unfortunately this is good advice. Law enforcement will not be understanding of using a weapon, especially a gun, to defend yourself unless you can prove your situation of self defense. My dog and I were attacked by a dog and I stopped the attack by holding the dogs rear leg until the owner took control. I told my lawyer friend about the attack and told him I had my pistol in my coat at the time and should have shot the dog. My lawyer friends eyes bulged and he said “ Don’t do that ! “

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In that situation a few bite marks are a perfect defense.

Come on now. That’s flawed logic. Would it also be prudent to have a few gunshot wounds on you before returning fire? Ya know, for a perfect defense.

My take on dogs charging you or ambushing you. No way of telling if he is bluffing or not. Just like people, all dogs are different. All are individuals. We carry no responsibility to judge if the dog is faking it or not. We do have the responsibility of making sure we are legal in using deadly force but, not to the point of seeing seconds into the future. Sort of as above. Do we have to wait for an armed person to shoot, stab or otherwise critically harm us until we can react? No of course not.

That said, local laws may keep you from carrying a firearm but there are options. In all but a handful of states, you can carry a taser. I would recommend the ones that fire those barbs into flesh. You don’t have to get super close for those to be wickedly effective. The OP lives in Georgia. If I remember correctly there are no laws prohibiting him from carry a taser. I might be wrong, if so please correct me.

the flawed logic is “armed person”.
The laws are clear that you can use DPF to defend against someone using or threatening to use DPF against you. And even that can be hairy. Google Richard DiGuglielmo. You can still end up in prison.
All dogs have teeth. That alone does not constitute justification. My dog will come right at you, jump up and lick your face. While that might well serve as justification, it is weak. The point being, no one can ever know the intentions of a dog, unlike humans.
If a dog bites your leg, and you put it down, well there it is. automagic justification.

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… The point being, no one can ever know the intentions of a dog, unlike humans. If a dog bites your leg, and you put it down, well there it is. automagic justification.

In civilized society, I can agree with you. However, there is a element of the population can can be cordially discussing your next poker night while jamming a knife between your ribs. Predators will be predators, and ambush hunting is a time honored hunting method no matter the number of legs the predator has.

Lets step outside the arguments of what’s legal, and what’s proper justification. The point trying to be made here is that worst case, bandaged bite marks and scars are excellent evidence. They can convince the cops to not treat you like a perp, the prosecutors to think of you as a victim, and if it gets that far, the jury to understand that no amount of calm words or bravely running away could have saved you from the situation.

It’s not a question of if you’re right. It’s a question of convincing the person on your jury who wrote Dear Abby asking why hunters kill animals instead of going to the store where meat is made and no animals are hurt.

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Unfortunately, we live in a society where the courts are as corrupt as the day is long, conviction/acquittal is politically (or financially) decided, you’re essentially guilty until proven innocent (traffic court, anyone?), and you pretty much need to record with a camera every aspect of your daily life to “prove” your innocence in case it’s ever brought into question.

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… The point being, no one can ever know the intentions of a dog, unlike humans. If a dog bites your leg, and you put it down, well there it is. automagic justification.

In civilized society, I can agree with you. However, there is a element of the population can can be cordially discussing your next poker night while jamming a knife between your ribs. Predators will be predators, and ambush hunting is a time honored hunting method no matter the number of legs the predator has.

Lets step outside the arguments of what’s legal, and what’s proper justification. The point trying to be made here is that worst case, bandaged bite marks and scars are excellent evidence. They can convince the cops to not treat you like a perp, the prosecutors to think of you as a victim, and if it gets that far, the jury to understand that no amount of calm words or bravely running away could have saved you from the situation.

It’s not a question of if you’re right. It’s a question of convincing the person on your jury who wrote Dear Abby asking why hunters kill animals instead of going to the store where meat is made and no animals are hurt.

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Lightbringer wrote:
Unfortunately, we live in a society where the courts are as corrupt as the day is long, conviction/acquittal is politically (or financially) decided, you’re essentially guilty until proven innocent (traffic court, anyone?), and you pretty much need to record with a camera every aspect of your daily life to “prove” your innocence in case it’s ever brought into question.

The issue I raise is that when you shoot the dog some will probably have it on video.
If you have some injury it negates the person who says “That dog was not going to bite. He was just warning you or greeting you”.

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You're attempting a technical solution to a social problem. In the long term, the correct answer is "let the authorities do it". Call 911 or Animal Control if you fear an attack is imminent. Document, including video if possible, threatening encounters and report them using the non-emergency number to the police, sheriff, or animal control.

In the short term, cyclists use pepper spray, a full water bottle, or a U-lock.  We have the advantage of being able to leave the area quickly.  While a dog can outrun most cyclists, the encounters are usually territorial.  When you leave the dog's turf, it's interest drops sharply.

Regardless of who's right, learn how to "minimize the chances" of an encounter gone wrong.

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Regardless of who’s right, learn how to “minimize the chances“ of an encounter gone wrong.

I like the bit about, if the dog bites your arm, shove it harder into the dog’s mouth (vs trying to pull it out) so he can’t breathe. I recall back when I was a kid someone one telling me that when he was attacked by a dog, the dog bit his fist as he tried punching the dog away, and he then literally tried to shove his fist and forearm down the dog’s throat. Ouch.

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Lightbringer wrote:
Photonica wrote:
Regardless of who’s right, learn how to “minimize the chances“ of an encounter gone wrong.

I like the bit about, if the dog bites your arm, shove it harder into the dog’s mouth (vs trying to pull it out) so he can’t breathe. I recall back when I was a kid someone one telling me that when he was attacked by a dog, the dog bit his fist as he tried punching the dog away, and he then literally tried to shove his fist and forearm down the dog’s throat. Ouch.


I tried all manner of methods to get this enraged, attacking dog to stop. This took a while to exhaust my options. Luckily for me it was “only” a 40 pound pit bull. A bigger animal may have gotten the best of me by the time I decided to pull out my pocket knife and end it. I can verify that that method only works while it is being applied. Let go and said dog resumes attack, even more enraged. Permanent, incapacitation force is the only thing that stops an enraged dog.

The crazy thing is, I dont even know why the dog flipped out on me other than for some territorial reason.

As a side note, this dog also went after my mom on a previous occasion. In that instance, I was able to grab the dog before it did any damage and throw it in my open pickup cab and slam the door closed. It stayed in there a few hours..and was fine after my mom left the premises.

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Like decades ago, I think it was my dog on a leash and not one of the cats roaming around, but I was outside and 2 Dobermans from across the street (didn’t know that at the time) quietly came running over and only growling at the last second. Around the immediate area I always carried a Fairbairn-Sykes because we had a problem with wild-dog packs roaming around. I was just about ready to draw and quietly put Mr Pointy to use when the owner came running over, “Get over here!”, and making a distracting ruckus with loud whistles, and the dogs backed off. Dog or cat, I wasn’t gonna let one of mine end up as lunch or a chew-toy. Thankfully it never came to that.

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Interesting how all the people who actually encounter aggressive dogs on a regular basis for their jobs seem to have no trouble de-escalating situations without firearms. It is incomprehensible to me as a Canadian that someone would have not one, but two encounters where they felt the need to shoot a pet dog. Maybe up north where there are literal feral dogs roaming, but not in a residential area.

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We’ve all but stopped going on family walks because of all the dreaded big dogs running around off their leads. I wouldn’t mind if it weren’t the fact everyone used to get shitty about my wife walking our 38lb cat

 


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Bob_McBob wrote:
Interesting how all the people who actually encounter aggressive dogs on a regular basis for their jobs seem to have no trouble de-escalating situations without firearms. It is incomprehensible to me as a Canadian that someone would have not one, but two encounters where they felt the need to shoot a pet dog. Maybe up north where there are literal feral dogs roaming, but not in a residential area.

Once you see what a dog can do to someone in only a second or two you might change that view. I don’t want to be maimed for the rest of my life because some turd couldn’t be bothered to put their dog on a cable.

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Friend of mine almost got her face ripped off by a beagle(!). Extensive surgery to have her lips sewn back into place.

You’d be surprised the kind of damage even little beasties can do in just seconds.

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Once you see what a dog can do to someone in only a second or two you might change that view. I don’t want to be maimed for the rest of my life because some turd couldn’t be bothered to put their dog on a cable.

I know exactly what dogs are capable of doing. I’ve owned German Shepherds my entire life. I have dog friends involved in bite work and professional trainer friends who work with severe aggression cases and personally own several dogs who would be euthanized if they hadn’t taken them in. Dogs who are more wild animal than anything else. Every trainer I know has been bitten, some quite badly. None of them would consider routinely carrying a firearm in case they needed to shoot a dog even if it were legal. And that’s people working with dogs that would literally rip your throat out in a heartbeat, not someone walking their own dog in a regular neighbourhood.

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Once you see what a dog can do to someone in only a second or two you might change that view. I don’t want to be maimed for the rest of my life because some turd couldn’t be bothered to put their dog on a cable.

I know exactly what dogs are capable of doing. I’ve owned German Shepherds my entire life. I have dog friends involved in bite work and professional trainer friends who work with severe aggression cases and personally own several dogs who would be euthanized if they hadn’t taken them in. Dogs who are more wild animal than anything else. Every trainer I know has been bitten, some quite badly. None of them would consider routinely carrying a firearm in case they needed to shoot a dog even if it were legal. And that’s people working with dogs that would literally rip your throat out in a heartbeat, not someone walking their own dog in a regular neighbourhood.

I guess I don’t see the argument unless they have some other solution to a dog attack?

There’s a fair bit of difference in the neighborhoods BLFers live in I’d imagine, and the person you’re referencing did say he has been walking/running quite a bit over a long period of time.

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Bob_McBob wrote:
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Once you see what a dog can do to someone in only a second or two you might change that view. I don’t want to be maimed for the rest of my life because some turd couldn’t be bothered to put their dog on a cable.

I know exactly what dogs are capable of doing. I’ve owned German Shepherds my entire life. I have dog friends involved in bite work and professional trainer friends who work with severe aggression cases and personally own several dogs who would be euthanized if they hadn’t taken them in. Dogs who are more wild animal than anything else. Every trainer I know has been bitten, some quite badly. None of them would consider routinely carrying a firearm in case they needed to shoot a dog even if it were legal. And that’s people working with dogs that would literally rip your throat out in a heartbeat, not someone walking their own dog in a regular neighbourhood.

Butt you are trained and the other trainers are used to being in close proximity with aggressive dogs. I worked in a position that I had to enter yards with unknown dogs and on occasion had to defend myself with whatever was at hand. I was only bitten three times and always from a backbiter who sneaked up on me quietly and then ran off. Never by an aggressive dog who transmitted his intentions and there were a lot of them. I always was able to stand my ground and transmit that I was just as intent on leaving that area with my skin intact. Butt I’m over 6 feet and was pretty athletic at the time.

At my current age and sedentary computer habits I doubt I could muster the same imposing competent posture and react to their attack feints and circling tactics. Many people have never had to do that before and would assume that the dog was attacking from the first charge and panic which only encourages more aggression. I was entering the dog’s domain and was aware of the danger. People on the street should not have to be subjected to a dog attack or more likely a belligerent display of aggression by a loose dog. Report any such display of aggression to authorities. They should realize the danger and act to prevent an escalation of the situation. That is their job, not yours.

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Bob_McBob wrote:
Interesting how all the people who actually encounter aggressive dogs on a regular basis for their jobs seem to have no trouble de-escalating situations without firearms. It is incomprehensible to me as a Canadian that someone would have not one, but two encounters where they felt the need to shoot a pet dog. Maybe up north where there are literal feral dogs roaming, but not in a residential area.
It’s not my job to cater to people who can’t control their dogs. Pet dog or not shouldn’t it be up to the owner to make sure that their dog is under control?
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BurningPlayd0h wrote:
Bob_McBob wrote:
Interesting how all the people who actually encounter aggressive dogs on a regular basis for their jobs seem to have no trouble de-escalating situations without firearms. It is incomprehensible to me as a Canadian that someone would have not one, but two encounters where they felt the need to shoot a pet dog. Maybe up north where there are literal feral dogs roaming, but not in a residential area.
Once you see what a dog can do to someone in only a second or two you might change that view. I don't want to be maimed for the rest of my life because some turd couldn't be bothered to put their dog on a cable.

BurningPlayd0h is correct. I am active on dogsbite.org and other dog attack victim sites. Now I am commenting in 18650 Flashlight Reviews about how after more than five decades of life on the hostile surface of this planet, living with evil people, how I have successfully kept hostility and evil away from me, and, finally, the hostility of the surface of this planet has attacked me in the form of my neighbors Shepherd breeds ambush charge attacking me in the residential neighborhood, twice, when walking 210 miles per month for 40 months for 8,000 miles.

There is nothing to exaggerate or be delusional about when twice, in 8,000 pedestrian miles in 3.5 years, Shepherd breeds ultra short range ambush attacked me with one tenth of a second to spare to successfully stop the attack. The dogs were not going to stop just in time. I did not want to suffer bodily harm.

40 months, 210 miles per month, I have called 40 times to the police to report at large dog. 95% of them were not immediate injury threats. 5% percent were. One out of 20. Two out of forty.

30 feet per second. One second to defend myself. One tenth of a second to spare.

When a dog ambush charge attacks me, the last second belongs to me, and no one else. The last few feet are all mine. That time and distance do not belong to the repeated at large sometimes unpredictable pedestrian aggressive dog owner.

That last little bit of time and distance do not belong to the police.

That last little bit of time and distance do not belong to the prosecutor.

That last little bit of time and distance do not belong to the people who have not walked 8,000 miles in my shoes, who think that I should just wait until the last thirtieth of a second elapses, and then wait in the gutter of the street for someone to call an ambulance for me while my blood runs down the street.

I am not required by law to risk very certain immediate injury for an aggressive, snarling, growling dog that is ambush charge attacking me.

In a quick-moving situation, where a dog is charging and preparing to attack, a person has the right to use deadly force.

It is lawful for a person to take lethal action before it is too late to successfully repel an imminent attack threat of death or great bodily harm.

If a reasonable person has reasonable reason to feel immediate fear of body harm, the person has the right to armed self defense. It is not relevant what the pro-pedestrian hospitalization people feel. The law centers solely on what the dog charge attack victim had reason to feel. Twice, I was very, very afraid. Thank God I had one tenth of a second to spare to avoid hospitalization.

35,000 reconstructive surgeries per year in the US from severe dog mauling, because someone thought the dog was not really going to severly maul someone.

A million surgeries per year in the US from dog mauling, because someone thought the dog was not really going to maul someone.

Infants and young children are the largest portion of maulings, because someone thought the dog was not really going to maul the infant or the small child.


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I don’t know where you live or if your laws are the same as mine, but what you are saying is not correct:
Deadly Physical Force laws refer to use of force AGAINST A PERSON.
It is not per se illegal to kill an animal. Animals are slaughtered by the thousands every day for food. Hunters kill animals all the time. Some require a tag, some do not. In some places it is always open season on certain animals, no license required in your own property.
As to a dog, the issues are: If this is someone else’s dog, you could be charged with animal cruelty and destruction of property.
The bigger issue, if a firearm is involved, is whether you endangered any person by discharging a firearm, whether there were other people present, you were near an occupied dwelling or building, etc. For THAT you may need to show justification.
But it is perfectly legal to take your dog to the vet and have it put down, and shelters kill dogs every day.
As well, we in Law Enforcement often encounter injured animals that have been struck by a car etc, and we put them down, but in a safe way.
So the discussion of “Deadly Physical Force” is totally misplaced. There is no force continum with an animal. If it is threatening you and is close enough to do harm, you can put it down. But the method is always an issue.

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While the OP is thinking about which device will most help him, I wonder if one of these could protect his sacrifice arm while he uses whichever weapon on the dog, for instance to stabilize the dog to make it easier for his knife hand or shocking tool hand to do it’s work, or even a small pistol shot to the head if a gun is chosen.

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it is really putting me into a deep depression walking was helping me calm down then that dog came into my life. i have no other choice i have to walk buy this home

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The dog kinda “knows “ you now . Try the treats . Might take a couple visits , but most likely he will come to be a happy to see you dog.

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One of the most memorable quotes on this forum for me was “In my country we kick a dog “.

I like the treat idea too. Most owners will ask you not to feed their dog . I’d smile and say “ sure no problem and continue to do it anyway “ Why not ? he’s not doing his job restraining the dog so why do you need to obey his commands .
I’m not sure I understand why you have to walk past this house or walk this way but would encourage you to move form such a lousy neighborhood.

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For the folks offering legal advice, it’s important to remember that not every jurisdiction has the same laws as yours. OP needs to check his relevant State/County/City codes.

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I guess possible solutions are:

  • Avoid the area if you know there are wild or aggressive dogs.
  • Carry treats. Most dogs can not resist a treat and after eating it became friendly. Me as a dog owner I dong like the idea of somebody giving something to my dogs. But by the other side
    i don’t leave my dogs wild. I have 2 Golden Retrievers.
  • Use pepper spray in case the dog became aggressive (not just barking became all dogs barks) but just in the last resourse.
  • Call the police in case a dog is a danger. Dogs owners are responsible keeping the dog fenced or inside the house.

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