Help me choose a good 1xAA/14500 flashlight

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Hello everybody

speaking over flood to throw .What about the good old Romisen Rc 29 It has Q5 emitter single mode bigger flood than c78 and workmanship is better.

Cons : sharp switch ( can destroy your pocketWink) but perfect tailstand, a bit bulky, only up to 1,5 v .

All my non flashaholic  friends love it.

By the way  Thanks for the warm welcome

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It is true, build quality of the KD Romisen RC-29 Q5 is much higher (switch+threads) and it is brighter than my 2 C78s. But it is very bulky and needs 3 full turns of twisting, resulting in 5-6 actions to go from flood to throw. If it was push-pull and had the switch of the C6/C8 ... it would be the perfect flood-to-thow light on 1xAA.

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I agree. The RC29 is a very good light. The C6 is better, but its a RCR123 light. I still vouch for

the AA S1 as an AA (14500) light and until proven by measurement, I dont believe that an AA 1.5v

light has more lumen then it. Look at Don´s spreadsheet and be convinced what lights provide

the biggest output on a given battery. Links at all Don´s posts.

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Nautic wrote:

I admit, I dont know what arbilux stand for. But if its the same lux as Dons there is a big difference

between your figures and Dons

 

The J4 is 1460, the C3 SS is 1391 and the S1 is 1255 Lux. Not a big  difference. In lumens they are 262, 250 and 225.

With AA batteries the figures for all these lights are lower. But according to your figures the C78 on 1AA are much

brighter than these on 14500. For me there is something that does not add up. Do you use the same metode as Don

when you measure. Are the figures you gave measured and how?

 

Arbi-lux (arbitrary-lux) just refers to the fact it's lux not referenced to distance (as lux itself isn't) because I didn't bother to bust out the meterstick. However it's self-consistent and thus can be compared among themselves. What are Don's numbers measured at?

 

The c78 as I've mention in other threads has better optics than the c29 (and thus likely similar romisens), and pretty decent quality if you get the LT version. The only place the romisen is better is at the widest flood when it finally smoothes out.

 

 

 

 

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agenthex wrote:

Arbi-lux (arbitrary-lux) just refers to the fact it's lux not referenced to distance (as lux itself isn't) because I didn't bother to bust out the meterstick. However it's self-consistent and thus can be compared among themselves. What are Don's numbers measured at?

 

Thanks for info. Maybe Don can answer your question of metode? I think that numbers aside, you get a better

impression of different lights when they are all measured with the same equipment and in the same way.

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agenthex wrote:

The c78 as I've mention in other threads has better optics than the c29 (and thus likely similar romisens), and pretty decent quality if you get the LT version. The only place the romisen is better is at the widest flood when it finally smoothes out.

 

I like the optics of the the RC-29 better , because it has a larger flood angle and beam has less artefacts on flood. So it is better if you want to use it as a pseudo Zebralight.

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Hey, thanks for the replys Laughing For 1xAA light 1 mode should be enough, but for 2xAA or 1x14500... I think multimode is a must.

Ok, on the one hand, we have an AA-S1 with good spill and on the other hand we have a zoom-to-throw lights. So... is there any beam shots comparisons? I mean, "normal" lights like AA-S1 and one zoom-to-throw light.

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Maybe this can help you!

Video comparison of AA-S1 VS a flood to throw (both with NiMh). Both as OSRAM golden dragon LED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uymPAQzXXc

Dont forget that digital cameras autoadjust brightness

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Nice find, fran, tranks. Good video but bad quality Frown

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Vectrex wrote:

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The c78 as I've mention in other threads has better optics than the c29 (and thus likely similar romisens), and pretty decent quality if you get the LT version. The only place the romisen is better is at the widest flood when it finally smoothes out.

 

I like the optics of the the RC-29 better , because it has a larger flood angle and beam has less artefacts on flood. So it is better if you want to use it as a pseudo Zebralight.

 

Which c78 are you comparing it to? The one I have has no unevenness in the whole zoom range, whereas the rc29 has squarish (cree) artifacts until all the way in flood.

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agenthex: I was talking about full flood , which is my most used mode on flood-to-throw lights. I don't have any real usage for the throw or half-flood. The RC-29 are from KD and the C78 from DX. Maybe we have different models of those lights. I am thinking about buying those pseudo Zebralights from Ultrafire.

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The part I was wondering about was this:

 

beam has less artefacts on flood

 

I don't see any artifacts on flood other than the typical "ring" around the edge of the flood that all these light have, and different c78 "batches" are known to be completely different.

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And I wondered about your complaints about the optics of the RC-29. I should have said: The RC-29 has an even smoother beam than the C78 on full flood and the brightness is more evenly distributed from centre to the edge on the RC-29 (on full flood).

On the other hand I have given away all my RC-29 (had 3-4) and kept the C78 .... go figure. I like the C78 overall design better (blantant copy of the led lenser P5), but the RC-29 is the better light in my opinion. But the twisting action +  the already mentioned sharp (tactical Wink) switch ruins it for me a bit. I would buy a C78 for myself and RC-29 as a gift/present for others. I personally like the ability that the C78 fits perfectly in this headband and makes it into a cheap high power headlamp.

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And I wondered about your complaints about the optics of the RC-29.

 

To clarify again, when you start with square image at full zoom on the rc-29and start twisting to flood, artifacts of the cree square remain in the beam until you get to almost full flood. Now, it's probably not a big deal like cree reflector rings aren't a big deal in real world use, but it does indicate that the lens design is not as good. Still, I would agree the rc-29 is more versatile at full flood since it can illuminate over twice the area, it just takes a while to get there and sometimes you accidentally turn the light off. The slightly better build quality/polish also helps makes it a better gift.

 

Also, for my specific samples, the rc29 at 2.5A draw is same brightness as c78 at 2.0A, and a bit blue.

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Sashix, if you read forolinternas you will see that the sipik http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.39585~r.43033281 has a better construction, quality and same power as all C78´s. Also capable of both AA and 14500. Pity only 1 mode. I have ordered 1, still not arrived

 

Also in gray http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.39584~r.43033281 but a little more expensive

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Lets see ....   Shekor charger has changed , for the worse apparently ..  SO at this time I would say Xtar -  2 bay charger ...

If I know who made the Shekor charger I would contact them about stuffing up what was a good charger . 

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Lets see ....   Shekor charger has changed , for the worse apparently ..  SO at this time I would say Xtar -  2 bay charger ...

If I know who made the Shekor charger I would contact them about stuffing up what was a good charger .

What do you mean? New versions have gotten worse or something happens to yours? And as far I remember, Xtar charges batts a bit higher than Shekor. I found Shekor @ KD for $10,28. But where I can buy Xtar? Only found it @ ebay for about $15. Is it a good price? Thanks, Matt Wink

 

PS: thx for the info, Fran Wink

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They have changed the Shekor charger internally ...   If you buy one now , it will be different to the one I tested ...  

Apparently the new ones do not terminate on completion , and can over charge ..

 

Yes , Xtar is available on Ebay , just find the best price ...  $15 is cheap , $10 is cheaper , but they changed the Shekor for the worse ...

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Ahms, thx for the info. I think for $15, Xtar is better than UF WF-188, for example. Have you tried it?

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The Xtar is the closest to what you might buy from a large local retailer instead of something that looks like it came from a backyard shop.

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I own the WF-188 and the Xtar ...   I like both ..   The WF-188 offers more charging options ...  [ If you need them ] 

But if you just need a 2 channel charger , the Xtar is fine ...

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Ok, so I bought it Laughing Now, what's the best place to buy TF 14500 flame? $5,34 @ DX, $5,33 @ LT... but prefer to pay a little bit more but get good ones.

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That's like asking whether it's better to buy your Nike Airs at walmart or target. Out of the two, though, DX tends to at least on flashlights to ship out cheaper copies after the initial quality of an item makes it popular.

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