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Who makes Vapcell batteries

I have tried them a few times and they are darn good. Always have been curious who the manufacturer is.

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Thank you for your support
I am vapcell Battery Engineer, responsible for product development. Vapcell company provides high-quality vapcell batteries and chargers all over the world, and acts as an agent to sell imported lithium batteries, such as Samsung, LG, Sony, Panasonic, molicel, etc Smile

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ok, so under the Vapcell wrapper there is a Samsung, LG, Sony, Panasonic, molicel, battery?

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zoulas wrote:
ok, so under the Vapcell wrapper there is a Samsung, LG, Sony, Panasonic, molicel, battery?

Which vapcell battery do you use?

Yes, some of them are brand batteries

But there are also a lot of customized batteries Smile

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Vapcell has good batteries and use genuine cells with their wrappers. I have some of their 25A 3000mah ones and they perform nearly identically to Sony/MMurata vtc6.

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Curious how someone begins a new tpic and asks a question about a certain product line and then only 10 minutes later someone from the company in question responds!

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Some of them will be tough to know. For the mainstream sizes, like 18650 and 21700, one can probably figure it out by comparing discharge curves to well-known models of similar ratings.

Other sizes tend to be made by smaller companies – this is also why we don’t get the same kind of performance/capacity per volume out of “uncommon” cells like 10440, 14500, 16340, 18350, 26650 that we do from 18650/21700. The companies with the most money and R&D behind their construction/chemistry seem to only produce the highest volume cell sizes.

What’s nice is that we have seen improvement from brands like Vapcell and Shockli cells in some of those sizes. The recent 14500 comes to mind (Vapcell , Shockli ). But we don’t know who the manufacturer of that cell is.

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MtnDon wrote:
Curious how someone begins a new tpic and asks a question about a certain product line and then only 10 minutes later someone from the company in question responds!

Vapcell Dennis is on this forum quite frequently. Pretty easy to see when it’s at the top

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MtnDon wrote:
Curious how someone begins a new tpic and asks a question about a certain product line and then only 10 minutes later someone from the company in question responds!

You can set up macros to alert you when a “X” or “Y” keyword is mentioned on “Z” forum. I’m sure many company reps use that or a similar method.

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OK, just struck me as odd…. looks like spam or a shill. Sorry and I apologize if it is on the up and up

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Scallywag wrote:
What’s nice is that we have seen improvement from brands like Vapcell and Shockli cells in some of those sizes. The recent 14500 comes to mind (Vapcell , Shockli ). But we don’t know who the manufacturer of that cell is.

According to Barkuti, Heter is the OEM of both the Vapcell H10 and the Shockli IMR14500 1050 mAh.

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MtnDon wrote:
OK, just struck me as odd…. looks like spam or a shill. Sorry and I apologize if it is on the up and up

You’re not wrong to be wary of it these days. That sort of thing -I think “guerrilla marketing” is the term for it? – is very common.

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randompool wrote:
Scallywag wrote:
What’s nice is that we have seen improvement from brands like Vapcell and Shockli cells in some of those sizes. The recent 14500 comes to mind (Vapcell , Shockli ). But we don’t know who the manufacturer of that cell is.

According to Barkuti, Heter is the OEM of both the Vapcell H10 and the Shockli IMR14500 1050 mAh.


Cool! Thanks for finding that.
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BurningPlayd0h wrote:
That sort of thing -I think “guerrilla marketing” is the term for it? – is very common.

And it goes back quite a ways…

See? Quite effective.

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Very good batteries.

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RobertB wrote:
MtnDon wrote:
Curious how someone begins a new tpic and asks a question about a certain product line and then only 10 minutes later someone from the company in question responds!

Vapcell Dennis is on this forum quite frequently. Pretty easy to see when it’s at the top

Yes, I posted a post on Samsung battery. I just saw this post and replied

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Sirstinky wrote:
Vapcell has good batteries and use genuine cells with their wrappers. I have some of their 25A 3000mah ones and they perform nearly identically to Sony/MMurata vtc6.

Hi ,do U use vapcell 18650 3000mah 25A VTC6A rewarpped battery?
Thanks
Now Discontinued Tired

We are looking forward to releasing a better 3000mAh 25A battery

Maybe next month Blushing

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Who specifically makes the Vapcell 18350 currently offered?

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Probably Yongdeli New Energy Co., Ltd. in Shenzhen.

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Probably Yongdeli New Energy Co., Ltd. in Shenzhen.

I am partial to Japanese products when it comes to electronics. What reputation does this place have?

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What reputation does this place have?

Their 18350’s seem to be one of the best available on the market. They might not be consistent. But they’re probably suitable for most 18350 flashlights that don’t have a >10A current drain.

Reviews by HKJ and Battery Mooch might help in deciding whether to try out a particular cell.

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What do you mean by that? Is the construction shoddy or something that would lead to cell to cell variance or failure?

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Orbtronic makes no claim of ownership of the cell, they tell you the cell is Panasonic and they provide the protection circuit. How can vapecell take a Samsung battery, put their purple vapcell wrapper on it and call it a vapecell? Sounds illegal no? Can I do the same thing, just rewrap batteries and put my name on it?

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zoulas wrote:
Sounds illegal no?

Toyota put their badge on cars built by BMW and Mazda. Does that make it illegal? No.

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zoulas wrote:
Orbtronic makes no claim of ownership of the cell, they tell you the cell is Panasonic and they provide the protection circuit.

Does Orbtronic make their “18350”: https://www.orbtronic.com/18350-battery-rechargeable-imr-1200mah-high-dr... or is it a rewrap from some other company like YDL?

The specifications looks similar to a “KeepPower IMR18350 1200mAh”: https://www.keeppower.com.cn/products_detail.php?id=567 and a “Vapcell M11 18350”: https://www.vapcelltech.com/index.php/Show/index/cid/73/id/82.html

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Is KeepPower even a battery manufacturer?

Looks like everyone re-wraps them and puts their name on it.

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I think if you are going to outright copy something there should be disclosure. This is why authors use footnotes, to give credit to the original writer.

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zoulas wrote:
I think if you are going to outright copy something there should be disclosure. This is why authors use footnotes, to give credit to the original writer.
Selling products produced by others under a different name is a tried and true practice. For example Kenmore appliances, after-market car batteries (there are only 3 manufacturers in the US), etc.

And with respect to these batteries no doubt the original manufacturers are selling them to Vapcell with the understanding that they are going to be sold under the Vapcell name.

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SIGShooter wrote:
zoulas wrote:
I think if you are going to outright copy something there should be disclosure. This is why authors use footnotes, to give credit to the original writer.
Selling products produced by others under a different name is a tried and true practice. For example Kenmore appliances, after-market car batteries (there are only 3 manufacturers in the US), etc.

And with respect to these batteries no doubt the original manufacturers are selling them to Vapcell with the understanding that they are going to be sold under the Vapcell name.

The question now is…are the Vapcell, Epoch, Keeppower, etc all the same battery, exactly? For example, FN is a company that makes rifle barrels. What happens, is the company who wants barrels, places an order, and their criteria determines the price. All the barrels are made of the same steel on the same machines…but bore straightness, roughness, chrome lining uniformity, etc. are spec’ed and tolerances given which affects reject rate and ultimately price…so you may buy a $275 FN barrel, or a $375 FN barrel, and while they are visibly the same to the eye, and a spectrometer will determine the steel is the same…they are NOT going to, as a whole, be the “same” barrel, even though a “good” cheap barrel MAY end up being better than a more expensive one that barely met spec. (This leads to “my such and such did better than my buddies such and such that cost $100 more…” type posts and tirades, and while true, this only represents a singular comparison event of extreme nature, not typical performance from either.)

So how is it with these batteries? Literally the same…or does each buyer get to set the bar? Now…if that is the case…who’s bar is set the highest?

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zoulas wrote:
Orbtronic makes no claim of ownership of the cell, they tell you the cell is Panasonic and they provide the protection circuit. How can vapecell take a Samsung battery, put their purple vapcell wrapper on it and call it a vapecell? Sounds illegal no? Can I do the same thing, just rewrap batteries and put my name on it?

well if you get samsung’s permission, then sure, you can wrap it in neon green, and say “zoulas” on it.

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Cell manufacturers don’t really like the extra liability from their names appearing in 18650 cells used directly by accident-prone consumers, when they read ‘Samsung 35E for sale’ their lawyers are not happy, for sure they are happier with Zouolas 35E. The exception is Molicel, which is cool with selling to the consumer market.

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