FireflyLite E12R 12*emitters 15000LM 1x21700 Flashlight

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The head is a bit smaller than the K1, a bit shorter overall.

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I received my T9R and NOV-Mu yesterday. The NOV-Mu puts out over 4400 lumens in turbo measuring with my TA tube which is impressive for E21A. The NOV-Mu can sustain 1000 lumens for a pretty good long while, and the built in charging seems to work with USB PD just fine, magnet is nice and strong. The two T9R are nice also, though some imperfections in the reflectors, maybe I will see if Jack can sell some reflectors. He said E12R start shipping Monday.

Very curious to hear your impressions of the T9R compared to K1. Which versions did you receive?

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I have the T9R with SBT-90.2 and CULNM1. In my K1 I have the W2.2 CULPM1.TG. The osram T9R put out around 780 lumens, while my K1 puts out 970 with the larger die of the W2.2. Both beams seem comparable in size and throw with a bit less output on the spill of the T9R. I would say it seems to be a good replacement for the K1 because of the built in charging which allows you to use the light while charging. The driver is highly efficient and the body has really good thermal dissipation, not that it seems to generate much heat because of the nice driver. I don’t have the SBT-90.2 in the K1, but in the T9R it does absolutely wonderfully. The current regulation is super spiffy and works very well in all of the new Fireflies lights, it is very efficient and you get pretty low heat output for the large amount of current in these babies, it is a very efficient host and setup.

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Lol are you me? I have two MF01S as well and I never use them either. Initially I was enamored with them due to the throw. However once I realized they had the exact problems you mentioned, they fell to the wayside and collect dust now. Heats up extremely quick and lumens fall precipitously, and the host is just uncomfortable to hold.

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I have a MF01S and MF02S, so I know what you mean. These are far more efficient and way less bulky, just a generation forward and you can tell.

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Mark M wrote:
I have a MF01S and MF02S, so I know what you mean. These are far more efficient and way less bulky, just a generation forward and you can tell.

Mark M, you have very nice collection of new flashlight! I think many people are interested in the driver design of the NOV-MU and new fireflies flashlight because you are first few to receive, and the new Noctigon K9.3. If you have time, can you do quick review and comparison of the flashlight and the new driver? It seem like fireflies has a new driver that is not seen before with charging and buck, but K9.3 has double channel but is linear but no ACM1735. It is exciting new year for flashlight!

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I was asking Jack about the T1R and he also said it would be coming out next week and would also be available in Red, Blue, Green and Black. I guess these could be any one of those..

I really LOVE Fireflies clear/polished ano, I was hoping the T1R would come that way based on the initial pictures but he didn’t mention that was gonna be an option.

you are right. Jack just post photo of new flashlight on the facebook group! The dark green look very nice in my opinon but maybe the red and blue look a bit too ‘bright’.

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Apologies for incorrect info above. This is the blue E07X

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I see on fireflies facebook page that they posted a photo of new host body for flashlights! It look like a brush but I think it is holder for many flashlight body for anodising.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/594119030988280/

The interesting thing is that there are blue and red colors. I wonder if this is for E12R flashlight?

These would be E07 gen2. I was emailing fireflies about another E07 and Jack said E07 gen2 is coming out next week, black, navy blue and red color for choice.

I was asking Jack about the T1R and he also said it would be coming out next week and would also be available in Red, Blue, Green and Black. I guess these could be any one of those..

I really LOVE Fireflies clear/polished ano, I was hoping the T1R would come that way based on the initial pictures but he didn’t mention that was gonna be an option.

That’s some picture, until you look close, it looks like an under water monster.

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clientequator wrote:
@Lojik wrote:

I was asking Jack about the T1R and he also said it would be coming out next week and would also be available in Red, Blue, Green and Black. I guess these could be any one of those..

I really LOVE Fireflies clear/polished ano, I was hoping the T1R would come that way based on the initial pictures but he didn’t mention that was gonna be an option.

you are right. Jack just post photo of new flashlight on the facebook group! The dark green look very nice in my opinon but maybe the red and blue look a bit too ‘bright’.

!https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/139539768_743439779890271_...!

Are those 26650 based?

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@Lojik wrote:

I was asking Jack about the T1R and he also said it would be coming out next week and would also be available in Red, Blue, Green and Black. I guess these could be any one of those..

I really LOVE Fireflies clear/polished ano, I was hoping the T1R would come that way based on the initial pictures but he didn’t mention that was gonna be an option.

you are right. Jack just post photo of new flashlight on the facebook group! The dark green look very nice in my opinon but maybe the red and blue look a bit too ‘bright’.

!https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/139539768_743439779890271_...!

Are those 26650 based?

This thread has the info on different battery sizes.
https://budgetlightforum.com/node/74939

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I have the T9R with SBT-90.2 and CULNM1. In my K1 I have the W2.2 CULPM1.TG. The osram T9R put out around 780 lumens, while my K1 puts out 970 with the larger die of the W2.2. Both beams seem comparable in size and throw with a bit less output on the spill of the T9R. I would say it seems to be a good replacement for the K1 because of the built in charging which allows you to use the light while charging. The driver is highly efficient and the body has really good thermal dissipation, not that it seems to generate much heat because of the nice driver. I don’t have the SBT-90.2 in the K1, but in the T9R it does absolutely wonderfully. The current regulation is super spiffy and works very well in all of the new Fireflies lights, it is very efficient and you get pretty low heat output for the large amount of current in these babies, it is a very efficient host and setup.

Thanks for your response.
If you could only have 1 T9R, would you pick the SBT90.2 or the W1? Preference between the two?

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I have the T9R with SBT-90.2 and CULNM1. In my K1 I have the W2.2 CULPM1.TG. The osram T9R put out around 780 lumens, while my K1 puts out 970 with the larger die of the W2.2. Both beams seem comparable in size and throw with a bit less output on the spill of the T9R. I would say it seems to be a good replacement for the K1 because of the built in charging which allows you to use the light while charging. The driver is highly efficient and the body has really good thermal dissipation, not that it seems to generate much heat because of the nice driver. I don’t have the SBT-90.2 in the K1, but in the T9R it does absolutely wonderfully. The current regulation is super spiffy and works very well in all of the new Fireflies lights, it is very efficient and you get pretty low heat output for the large amount of current in these babies, it is a very efficient host and setup.

Thanks for your response.
If you could only have 1 T9R, would you pick the SBT90.2 or the W1? Preference between the two?

I would probably pick the SBT90.2, I think for me it is the better general purpose beam, I love having that extra spill and more loosely defined hotspot, plus it is collimated much closer to the flashlight so the beam is useable at very short distances the W1 has a donut hole 16 inches away. The W1 does also have some minor rings from the reflector, the SBT90.2 doesn’t have this issue.

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Mark M wrote:
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Mark M wrote:
I have the T9R with SBT-90.2 and CULNM1. In my K1 I have the W2.2 CULPM1.TG. The osram T9R put out around 780 lumens, while my K1 puts out 970 with the larger die of the W2.2. Both beams seem comparable in size and throw with a bit less output on the spill of the T9R. I would say it seems to be a good replacement for the K1 because of the built in charging which allows you to use the light while charging. The driver is highly efficient and the body has really good thermal dissipation, not that it seems to generate much heat because of the nice driver. I don’t have the SBT-90.2 in the K1, but in the T9R it does absolutely wonderfully. The current regulation is super spiffy and works very well in all of the new Fireflies lights, it is very efficient and you get pretty low heat output for the large amount of current in these babies, it is a very efficient host and setup.

Thanks for your response.
If you could only have 1 T9R, would you pick the SBT90.2 or the W1? Preference between the two?

I would probably pick the SBT90.2, I think for me it is the better general purpose beam, I love having that extra spill and more loosely defined hotspot, plus it is collimated much closer to the flashlight so the beam is useable at very short distances the W1 has a donut hole 16 inches away. The W1 does also have some minor rings from the reflector, the SBT90.2 doesn’t have this issue.

Is it worth the $50 price premium?

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Mark M wrote:
I have the T9R with SBT-90.2 and CULNM1. In my K1 I have the W2.2 CULPM1.TG. The osram T9R put out around 780 lumens, while my K1 puts out 970 with the larger die of the W2.2. Both beams seem comparable in size and throw with a bit less output on the spill of the T9R. I would say it seems to be a good replacement for the K1 because of the built in charging which allows you to use the light while charging. The driver is highly efficient and the body has really good thermal dissipation, not that it seems to generate much heat because of the nice driver. I don’t have the SBT-90.2 in the K1, but in the T9R it does absolutely wonderfully. The current regulation is super spiffy and works very well in all of the new Fireflies lights, it is very efficient and you get pretty low heat output for the large amount of current in these babies, it is a very efficient host and setup.

Thanks for your response.
If you could only have 1 T9R, would you pick the SBT90.2 or the W1? Preference between the two?

I would probably pick the SBT90.2, I think for me it is the better general purpose beam, I love having that extra spill and more loosely defined hotspot, plus it is collimated much closer to the flashlight so the beam is useable at very short distances the W1 has a donut hole 16 inches away. The W1 does also have some minor rings from the reflector, the SBT90.2 doesn’t have this issue.

Is it worth the $50 price premium?

Normally I would say no, but with this driver I do think it is worth the extra $50. 6 amp current regulation really makes the SBT90.2 shine. If you are looking for the longest throw go for the W1, it has a nice tint, not super cool until you go into turbo. But the SBT90.2 fits my needs better and 1800 lumens with current regulation is great and 4000 lumens with the FET.

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Mark M wrote:
I received my T9R and NOV-Mu yesterday. The NOV-Mu puts out over 4400 lumens in turbo measuring with my TA tube which is impressive for E21A. The NOV-Mu can sustain 1000 lumens for a pretty good long while, and the built in charging seems to work with USB PD just fine, magnet is nice and strong. The two T9R are nice also, though some imperfections in the reflectors, maybe I will see if Jack can sell some reflectors. He said E12R start shipping Monday.

I see you say the charging work with USB PD, does that mean ‘USB C to USB C’ cable? Do you know if K9.3 also work charging with PD? I read many light need USB A to USB C cable to charge so this is good finding.

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It will charge with USB C-USB C and USB A – USB C, so virtually any charger type will work! The K9.3 works well with USB PD and standard USB just like the new Fireflies flashlights. I did look at the drivers in the T9R and NOV-Mu a bit and noticed loneoceans selected a Texas Instruments BQ25616 to handle the USB charging. It looks like this TI controller supports USB OTG with a built in boost converter capable of 1.2A charging, but the flashlights do not support this mode. It looks like maybe pin 6 was left disconnected to the TI chip (but it is hard to tell without pulling out my microscope), I wonder if there is a way to pull the pin high and get it to work… or if there was a reason the feature was left out.

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Mark M,

What kind of defects the T9R reflectors, plating discoloration (streaks) or contamination (crap stuck on the plating) ?

They are metal, correct?

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Can someone please supply FF Jack email addy?

The FF contact page does not function for me.. and I don’t use FB

Thx

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Mark M,

What kind of defects the T9R reflectors, plating discoloration or contamination?

They are metal, correct?

One reflector has very minor plating contamination, it looks a bit like paint over spray but VERY minor and not noticeable in the beam (actually my K1 reflector came in worse condition). The other reflector has a minor scratch that looks to be from assembly. There are a few rings in the beam of the Osram W1 and I am not sure if that is coming from the reflector, I think it is though. The rings have a diffraction pattern to them like it is from the reflector not being perfectly smooth. They appear to be metal.

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Kona G wrote:
Can someone please supply FF Jack email addy?

The FF contact page does not function for me.. and I don’t use FB

Thx

ff-light@hotmail.com

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Mark M wrote:
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Mark M,

What kind of defects the T9R reflectors, plating discoloration or contamination?

They are metal, correct?

One reflector has very minor plating contamination, it looks a bit like paint over spray but VERY minor and not noticeable in the beam (actually my K1 reflector came in worse condition). The other reflector has a minor scratch that looks to be from assembly. There are a few rings in the beam of the Osram W1 and I am not sure if that is coming from the reflector, I think it is though. The rings have a diffraction pattern to them like it is from the reflector not being perfectly smooth.

I plan for SBT90 so hopefully rings won’t be an issue

Sounds like a micro texture may have been in order. It’s hard to plate into deep reflector wells like T9R

How do you like UI ?

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Thanks for address!

..and for photos. Desert tan is pretty cool color kinda has bronze-ish appearance

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The reflector appears smooth but you can see some “stepping” from the machining so I do think better reflectors would help the rings, but the focus is tight and the beam shows it, and that is what matters.

The new version of Anduril is great, a bit of a learning curve for sure and I have the diagram ready to view on my phone, but no complaints.

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Got it, machine rings couldn’t polish out smooth

Yeah for sure have Jack send better samples

Ha! Did same on my phone in past

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Are there any discount codes for the Fireflies lights?

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There was a brief discount for long term buyers, but that is over and there seems to be no intention yet of another discount code. I think these flashlights offer a lot of value for the price without any discount, if you compare say the T9R to the K1.

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Mark M wrote:
I have the T9R with SBT-90.2 and CULNM1. In my K1 I have the W2.2 CULPM1.TG. The osram T9R put out around 780 lumens, while my K1 puts out 970 with the larger die of the W2.2. Both beams seem comparable in size and throw with a bit less output on the spill of the T9R. I would say it seems to be a good replacement for the K1 because of the built in charging which allows you to use the light while charging. The driver is highly efficient and the body has really good thermal dissipation, not that it seems to generate much heat because of the nice driver. I don’t have the SBT-90.2 in the K1, but in the T9R it does absolutely wonderfully. The current regulation is super spiffy and works very well in all of the new Fireflies lights, it is very efficient and you get pretty low heat output for the large amount of current in these babies, it is a very efficient host and setup.

You must be the first one to receive them! I’m still waiting for my order. Which emitter did you get for the NOV-MU? Measuring 4400 lumens in the TA tube means it is 5500 lumens when compared to the industry wide inflated lumen ratings. Real impressive for a 22350 10A cell and 95+ CRI.

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SKV89 wrote:
Mark M wrote:
I have the T9R with SBT-90.2 and CULNM1. In my K1 I have the W2.2 CULPM1.TG. The osram T9R put out around 780 lumens, while my K1 puts out 970 with the larger die of the W2.2. Both beams seem comparable in size and throw with a bit less output on the spill of the T9R. I would say it seems to be a good replacement for the K1 because of the built in charging which allows you to use the light while charging. The driver is highly efficient and the body has really good thermal dissipation, not that it seems to generate much heat because of the nice driver. I don’t have the SBT-90.2 in the K1, but in the T9R it does absolutely wonderfully. The current regulation is super spiffy and works very well in all of the new Fireflies lights, it is very efficient and you get pretty low heat output for the large amount of current in these babies, it is a very efficient host and setup.

You must be the first one to receive them! I’m still waiting for my order. Which emitter did you get for the NOV-MU? Measuring 4400 lumens in the TA tube means it is 5500 lumens when compared to the industry wide inflated lumen ratings. Real impressive for a 22350 10A cell and 95+ CRI.

The tube I received was for a 21700 cell, and I put a 40T in mine for testing the NOV-Mu which yes tested 4400 lumens on my TA tube. This thing can put holes in black paper almost instantly, without optics and the LEDs in a tight pattern, it has serious nut burning capabilities. The tint seems comparable to my D4V2/KR4 mules that have the 4500k E21A.

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Mark M wrote:
There was a brief discount for long term buyers, but that is over and there seems to be no intention yet of another discount code. I think these flashlights offer a lot of value for the price without any discount, if you compare say the T9R to the K1.

Thanks for the info.

Isn’t the T9R the same money or more than the K1 though? Curious but what is the ‘extra’ value?

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