Questions for Fenix HT18 or Acebeam T28 Owners...

Hi,

This is my first post here! :slight_smile:

Basically, I’m looking for a 21700 (protected cell) light that has long throw, and a usable amount of spill (enough to see the ground in front of me) on higher levels. I’ve read about loads of different options here and on other sites, and I think I’ve narrowed it down to one of two - either the Fenix HT18 or the Acebeam T28. I’m leaning more towards the HT18 for several reasons - mainly that it appears to have more spill and it doesn’t require high drain batteries. However, I have a number of questions that I just haven’t been able to answer, which will be the deciding factors…

HT18

- What’s the exact internal diameter of the battery tube? I don’t want to be limited to Fenix’s (relatively narrow (21.5mm)) own brand 21700s.

  • How does the light know to drop its turbo output when an 18650 is inserted - is it just voltage sag with the smaller battery?

T28

- Is the USB port cover easily replaceable?

- Does the T28 suffer from the same problem as the T27 - that it won’t charge with a USB-C>USB-C cable, only USB-A>USB-C?

  • Are there any other high drain protected 21700s that work with this light, besides Acebeam’s own narrow (21.3mm) high drain (continuous 20A) cell.

Any info at all would be greatly appreciated! :slight_smile:

Thanks.

Alex.

Hello there .. getting a question answered about a specific light(-s) ist not allways easy but you seem to be in luck ...

..... "also a flashy seems more focused on seeking knowledge instead of sharing it" (in my experience)

I don't know or have the AB T28 but I do have the T27 and even based on this (lack of) knowledge .... I would say that for a (more) general purpose light you are probably better of including the T27 within your selection, it's about 30 % lighter than T28 and also considerably smaller ..... Most important however, in my opinion, is that the T27 comes in NW and that looks alot better when you want to enjoy the colourful surroundings nature has to offer.

That said comparing the T27 and the HT18, which I both have, I would also say that the HT18 has more and better general purpose advantages that you also seem to be looking for ? (<= "enough to see the ground in front of me")

As to your questions about the HT18, the internal diameter of the HT18 is 22,05 mm and for the T27 it's between 22,05 and 22,1 mm; so the difference is only just measurable/noticeable with my Mitutoyo .....

As to how the HT18 knows a 18650 or 21700 is "loaded" .... in the package there is an adapter included for 18650's and this basically tells the light that an 18650 is present.... without the adapter the 18650 would not be able to make "contact" to say it blunt .... because the 18650 is shorter an thinner than the 21700 !

Just for the record ... the package of the AB T27 comes with a similar adapter for 18650's !

The difference between the HT18 and T27 is virtually nothing both in weight (< 5 grams) and length (about 1 cm for internal charging)

I think the HT18 has other advantages .... comes with green and red filter, with green throw is still reasonably good but wuth red it's about 30 % of white.

The Fenix is called HT which basically stands for Hunting Tactical light and that's also what the colors are for .... most animals are more or less color blind when it comes to certain colors ..... allthough we also are animals ... most "wild" animals are better equiped for seeing shades of grey or light and dark compared to us (human) animals ...... ....

Here is a good review you should read that also goes into the use of the filters ! (use the translator in your webbrowser)

In the review you will read why the HT18 actually doesn't really have a TURBO mode (!) the sequence is basically ECO-LOW-MED-HIGH and that's because high runs alot longer than the usual TURBO mode as it's not as the name implies a "short term turbo boost for a (few) minute(s) or so" .... HIGH actually runs, based on the used battery used, for upto 30 minutes or so with up to 90% of HIGH (= 90 % of 1500 lumen).

This 10 % of initial drop is not noticeable for your eyes ..... and probably meant to provide some baseline for the regulation which is almost perfect.

A similar allgorithm is used by Eag(le0Tac which starts at 100 % and after 2 to 3 minutes it reduces the output to around 80% of turbo which has proven to be more/easier sustainable, wthout noticeable heat buildup, and thus the regulation will have an easier task => without having to reduce the power quite suddenly after TURBO has caused a rapid heat buildup.

The advantage of this procedure ist that the output doesn't have to be regulated to far down below the point of equilibrium ..... so the excessive heat from TURBO is be able to dissipate .... after which the power can be turned up (a bit) again ..... to or even above the point of equilibrium ..... so in other words it's easier for the regulation after startup to drop to a point, of about 80% (= equilibrium), that has proven to be quasi-stable during testing ..... this will thus prevent the occurrence of the well known "JIGSAW" curve that you often see in runtime graphs.

You should also realize that the smoother/easier the regulation is or better said "the more efficient it is" => the more energy from the batteries goes to powering the light instead of regulating it ! (just simple logistics really)

In reference to the T27 which comes in a nice NW ..... the HT18 also comes in NW ..... but comparing the both I would say that the T27 is more WarmWhite and the HT18 mor NeutralWhite ......

So in other words the HT18 is a bit to "cold" and the T27 is maybe a bit to "warm" ..... but that's mainly when you compare them in real live side by side ..... seperately viewed they seem almost the same ?

If you have more questions with respect to the T27 or HT18 I'll elaborate appropriately if I am around .....sort of retired .... tried to inform people but backfired a bit you could say ....

I hope this might have helped you with some of your queries .... as to go "right or left"...... in reference to the pictures supplied with this post ?

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With respect to the adapter .... it seems the adapter has quite a big "nipple" so to say (1), it actually looks like a completely "metal" (human) nipple with both a raised small surface and an even larger low contact surface , both are about three times the size of the normal PLUS pole/contact of a regular button top battery you might use in the HT18 (2)

Inside the head of the HT18 there is a ring of contact's (4) around the mainspring inside the head of the HT18 (3).

My guess is that (2), the plus pole of the battery, supplies power to the big nipple of the adapter (1) which in turn, when used, makes contact with both the ring of contact's (4) aswell as the main spring in the head of the HT18 (3).

So if the both contact's (3+4) in the head of the HT18 make contact with the plus pole of the battery, which is the case when the adapter is used the HT18 will know an 18650 has been "loaded" .....

If only the mainspring in the head (3) of the HT18 makes contact with the plus pole of the battery the HT18 will know a 21700 has been loaded (in this case the ring of contact's will touch the black insulation around the plus pole of the 21700).

So it's all in the contact area that's established in the head of the HT18, on the plus pole side of the battery or in the head of the HT18, the bigger it is, with adapter basically, an 18650 will be loaded and when it's smaller or "normal", meaning just the spring makes contact, a 21700 will have been loaded.

I hope my somewhat elaborate explanation makes sense .... a little drawing might have been easier ..... as usual a picture tells a thousand words.......?

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Cheers,

Martin

PS> I am having some issues with the software of this forum .... "things" don't seem to work or suddenly disappear ?

Wow!! Thanks so much for your superbly detailed reply!! That’s so helpful and pretty much decides me on the HT18!! :slight_smile:

I suspected that the T28 may be a bit too much of a pencil beam for my intended uses (mainly for walking through fields at night and watching wildlife (deer, owls etc) from a distance), as I do want to be able to see where I’m going, not just what’s 500 yards ahead of me!! And the head was a bit on the large side for me too.

I’ve read a bit about the T27, but wasn’t keen on the USB-C cable problem, as part of my reason for buying a USB-C light would be to reduce the number of different cables I needed!

With regard to the beam tint, ideally I prefer a neutral tint that isn’t too cool, but really it doesn’t worry me unless it’s crazily bluish to the point of badly distorting colours.

I also really like the idea of the fact that the HT18 doesn’t really step down - I get a bit tired of lights that’ll be like the sun for a minute or so and then dim down to some small fraction of their initial brightness! It’s just not all that useful except for the odd occasion that you may need an occasional burst of power.

I don’t know anything really about the uses for the coloured filters, but I’ll read that link you sent - should be interesting.

The only thing I can’t quite work out is how the 18650 adaptor tube “tells” the light that an 18650 is inserted - is it not just a tube with a spring and a button top at one end, or am I missing something?

Thanks again for your super-helpful reply!!

Alex.

Thanks for the explanation of the battery adaptor. That makes perfect sense. I’ve been trying to work it out and was wondering if it had something to do with the larger contact button. Sounds like a nice simple system.

I really appreciate the time you’ve put in to giving me all this info! It’s really super helpful! Thanks. :slight_smile:

I’ve just been looking into the battery adaptor system you explained, but I’m not sure I can quite see how it works, as looking at this photograph…

…it looks as though the ring of contacts is too wide and set back too far to be able to make contact with the larger “button” on the 18650 adaptor. It may be me minsinterpreting the picture though.

Ordered the T28 Jan 4, was going to get the T27 but figured I might as well go for the T28. Kudo’s to andrew-amanda.com who not only did not charge any shipping or sales tax, they shipped it the next day FedEx 2nd day and it’s supposed to be here on Jan 7th.

Just received the T28 and I am totally satisfied. On the question about using other batts beside Acebeam,
not totally sure about other protected batts but I use the Samsung 40T un-protected and it works fine, since
this is about 1/8” shorter than the Acebeam, I tend to think other protected cells should work since that
1/8 ” should allow for the protection circuitry and there appears to be room for an even longer cell.
Only down side to the Acebeam cell is that it will not fit in my Nitecore D4 charger.

As to the other question about the USB cover, it is fairly secure and I doubt there
will be any problems with it coming off when I do not want it to.

So far, no regrets. That beam is almost laser like but with enough spill to be useful for areas around
the local user.