Cheap, "pocket" thrower. Which one should I take?

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Thanks for that just went to order the parts but cannot find the ramping driver?

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Thanks for that just went to order the parts but cannot find the ramping driver?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32989372464.html

Sweet never looked at that one because it had SST40 on it.
Now just need to go order all the parts thanks for all your help. Nothing better than a light that can work so hard you can blow the LED up in it love it.

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You already have M21B with CULPM and you gona “tune” it or you don’t have?

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@Rat You already have M21B with CULPM and you gona “tune” it or you don’t have?

I already have it in KP CSLPM1.F1 green but don’t really like the green. I will be swapping the driver & LED out with Funtastic suggestion. It’s very easy to do if you have a solder iron. I just built a S11 XHP70.2 did not relies it was so easy.
I also have the 8A C8+ Osram CULPM1 great light. The M21B is a perfect size and I prefer the 21700 cells.

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@Rat You already have M21B with CULPM and you gona “tune” it or you don’t have?

I already have it in KP CSLPM1.F1 green but don’t really like the green. I will be swapping the driver & LED out with Funtastic suggestion. It’s very easy to do if you have a solder iron. I just built a S11 XHP70.2 did not relies it was so easy.

Careful soldering a spring as you can quickly melt the switch, I’ve done it a few times.

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Anybody with the M21A and M21B and C8+ to check for lego-ability of the battery tubes?

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Anybody with the M21A and M21B and C8+ to check for lego-ability of the battery tubes?

Not sure about the M21s but none of the 18650 and 21700 tubes can swap between lights. Different OD.

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@Funtastic
I asked Simon for this configuration that you wrote and the price is 26,86$ without cell which I will buy in my country. I have 4 questions for you:
1. Ramping driver has no thermal regulation so it’s possible to burn led. At 100% power you said it will works ~2m20s at 23C. Before the led will reach max temperature it can handle it will be too hot to hold in hands or it’s possible that it will burn led but still won’t be very hot? Should I be careful about that or I will propably feel in my hands that I should go to lower ramp?
2. I see on Simon chart that ramping driver is max 6A. I have Samsung 35E batteries which are 8A, won’t it be enough? I still need to buy high current cell like Samsung 30Q?
3. -Do this configuration need a lot of power or it will work on 3000-3500mAh some time? – As I see in your shop it will works around 24 min on 100%, yes?
That’s the same configuration? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EbniP_Q-j8
4. Your flashlights are made by Simon or you buy parts from Simon and assembling by self?

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I asked Simon for this configuration that you wrote and the price is 26,86$ without cell which I will buy in my country. I have 4 questions for you:
1. Ramping driver has no thermal regulation so it’s possible to burn led. At 100% power you said it will works ~2m20s at 23C. Before the led will reach max temperature it can handle it will be too hot to hold in hands or it’s possible that it will burn led but still won’t be very hot? Should I be careful about that or I will propably feel in my hands that I should go to lower ramp?
2. I see on Simon chart that ramping driver is max 6A. I have Samsung 35E batteries which are 8A, won’t it be enough? I still need to buy high current cell like Samsung 30Q?
3. -Do this configuration need a lot of power or it will work on 3000-3500mAh some time? – As I see in your shop it will works around 24 min on 100%, yes?
That’s the same configuration? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EbniP_Q-j8
4. Your flashlights are made by Simon or you buy parts from Simon and assembling by self?

Thanks for all replies.

1. It is possible to kill the LED if left on too long, as is the case for any LED without a thermal limit. 50°C is the limit until it’ll get too hot to hold, it can handle much hotter than this so it’s not an issue unless you leave it going unattended. Nothing to worry about, it’ll be too hot to hold long before it’ll damage the LED.

2. On the Convoy page for the ramping driver it says 4.5-6A, but this is incorrect. The battery is what will limit the current (amps), so it’ll depend on how good the battery is as to how many amps it’ll run at. With your 35E battery it won’t reach 8A, but might be all you need and it won’t get hot as quick.

3. The driver is configurable to whatever brightness you set it to, so runtime will be based on that. Yes, 24 min is an estimate based on 8A, but your 35E battery will run at maybe 6A so it’ll be longer. Keep in mind that at 100% it’s not continuous because of the heat, my measurement is just an estimate. Using the Samsung 30Q it achieved 2 hr 20 min at the 30% level.

4. Simon makes some of them, but I always take it apart to make sure the LED is centered, screws are tight, and install dual springs. I assemble some of them as well depending what the customer wants. I’ve started using the Osram green in the Convoy L21A at 6A for 1.6km range, it’s very impressive.

Make sure you get Simon to install a high current spring in the tail cap. Also make sure you’re happy with the driver UI. The last picture explains the UI

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That’s the same configuration? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EbniP_Q-j8

Same one, yes. That was taken with my old camera so it’s not showing distance that great. This video is better, but keep in mind that using it on a farm is going to limit the range majorly. Using it on buildings will reflect more light, but using it on green grass, trees etc on a farm will reflect less light. I can see out to 550m

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@Funtastic
I hope he understand what I wanted. Maybe he guesses that you recommended it to me Smile I wrote him to confirm if he will install high current spring in tail cap.
That’s what I asked and reply which I got.

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Ramping driver look good, not very diffucult after configuration. I have every light (Skilhunt H04, Sofirn IF25A, Lumintop B01, Convoy S2+) with different control so I will have one more to remember Big Smile

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zamachowiec wrote:
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I hope he understand what I wanted. Maybe he guesses that you recommended it to me Smile I wrote him to confirm if he will install high current spring in tail cap.
That’s what I asked and reply which I got.
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Simon doesn’t waste words. Big Smile
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Yes Big Smile That’s why I asked him again to be sure Smile is it possible that he can think about other high current spring, no this one which Funtastic mean?

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I think he got it straight.

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I have the m21a with cslpm1 6a, and for the price (or any price) it is one of my most impressive smaller lights – amazing performance and value. But it’s not pocketable and I have tried, and I pocket carry the copper KR1, but the 44mm head is just too big with the length of the m21a. So given that, I would say the m21b would be the best if you are trying to pocket carry. Or, I have heard great things about the s21b with CULPM1 6a driver, I pocket carry the s21b with xhp50 and deep carry clip with no problems. I am hoping Simon does the s21b with cslnm1 at some point too.

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@Funtastic
I ordered this configuration but I have one more question. Will be LG HG2 too strong for this flashlight and I should take Samsung 30Q or should be good too? As I think Sony VTC6 is too much?

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@Funtastic I ordered this configuration but I have one more question. Will be LG HG2 too strong for this flashlight and I should take Samsung 30Q or should be good too? As I think Sony VTC6 is too much?

Sorry, I don’t have either of those to know. I have used the same configuration in the L21A using a Samsung 40T and it was only 8.4A which is fine. I think the driver may have a limit at just over 8A

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Simon said me that more power won’t burn led so I think I’ll go with Sony VTC6/LG HG2 because it’s easier to get these than Samsung 30Q.

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Simon said me that more power won’t burn led so I think I’ll go with Sony VTC6/LG HG2 because it’s easier to get these than Samsung 30Q.
I will be running 30T & 40T batteries so will let you know if I have any problems with the high drain cells. Just got all my gear so will put it all together tomorrow.

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zamachowiec wrote:
Simon said me that more power won’t burn led so I think I’ll go with Sony VTC6/LG HG2 because it’s easier to get these than Samsung 30Q.
I will be running 30T & 40T batteries so will let you know if I have any problems with the high drain cells. Just got all my gear so will put it all together tomorrow.

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I couldn’t get higher than 8.4A I think with a 40T. The driver must have an 8A limit.

Received my new order from Simon and they no longer have a bypass but a good high current spring. Finally they’ve exhausted their old stock

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I’m very happy with a cheap Convoy M21a with Osram led. I chucked it in my cart as it was so cheap like $25au & it’s kinda shocked me how good the fit & finish on it is. Really smooth precise threads etc. 4 mode UI is a bit funny but ok when used to it. Pretty much as good light as my Olight Warrior-X-Turbo that cost 5x the price despite being heavily discounted. Only thing about the M21A compared to the C8’s is I can’t seem to find remote pressure switch’s for them, where they are sold everywhere for the C8. I think the M21A would be a great rifle light but can’t seem to find the remote switches sadly which is a shame.

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I’ve been off for a while and also haven’t yet delved into Convoy lights at all.

How does the C8+ compare to the GT mini and FT03 which are both typically available for around $30 with codes?

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I think the M21A would be a great rifle light but can’t seem to find the remote switches sadly which is a shame.

Make one. Ask Simon for a spare tail cap and get a remote switch, easy as. I only use the C8+ since the M21A won’t fit the standard 1 inch rings

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Get zero warranty from Convoy and get him to build my custom version for hunting.

- C8+
- Osram CULPM1
- Ramping driver
- Use a Samsung 30Q for 8-9A

Convoy models usually come with a rubbish spring bypass, so you should redo it yourself. I always install dual springs on the tail.

This build gets 1,300 lumens with a range of 977m

The ramping driver allows you to set your own brightness on the first two settings, so even though it gets hot quick at 100% you can lower it to what suits. Convoy just can’t give a warranty on the LED since the driver has no thermal Regulation. 100% gets approx 2min 20sec before reaching 50°C at a room temp of 23°C.

….or grab the CSLNM1 LED at 5A for 700 lumens at 962m. The NM1 LED just has a narrower beam, so it depends what your preference is

If you can handle the NM1 Green, at 5A it gets 1,150m with 1000 lumens.

Here’s a demo I made for my website featuring the same models above

The Convoy S2+ with CSLNM1 gets 387m. I also have a demo for this below

Just keep in mind that any Convoy model the uses the Osram LEDs will have rings around the hotspot on a wall. These are overlapping ovals around the hotspot, not noticeable in use though.


I’m want to get a couple of these factory C8 customs, they sound awesome! Just one question kiwi, my M21A has Osram CSL’P‘M1 emitter (which I really like) is this much different to the CSL’N‘M1 that you recommend in these C8 builds? Do you have an idea what the difference would be? Thanks

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I think the M21A would be a great rifle light but can’t seem to find the remote switches sadly which is a shame.

Make one. Ask Simon for a spare tail cap and get a remote switch, easy as. I only use the C8+ since the M21A won’t fit the standard 1 inch rings


Great advice I shall. Does Simon have an account here or contact him through Convoy store?

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CR888 wrote:
I’m want to get a couple of these factory C8 customs, they sound awesome! Just one question kiwi, my M21A has Osram CSL’P‘M1 emitter (which I really like) is this much different to the CSL’N‘M1 that you recommend in these C8 builds? Do you have an idea what the difference would be? Thanks

Roughly the same range, the NM1 is just narrower and runs at 5A max. The PM1 is running at 8.4A (depends on the battery). The PM1 is preferred since it’s a more neutral tint and wider beam, whereas the NM1 is quite cool with a hint of blue. Both are used in my hunting comparison video titled Osram C8+ V1 & V2.

I install dual springs into the remote switch, but it knocks back 300-400 lumens due to resistance. The NM1 is superior in this case with only a 50 or so reduction. Remote switch can’t do much over 5A-6A

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I think the M21A would be a great rifle light but can’t seem to find the remote switches sadly which is a shame.

Make one. Ask Simon for a spare tail cap and get a remote switch, easy as. I only use the C8+ since the M21A won’t fit the standard 1 inch rings


Great advice I shall. Does Simon have an account here or contact him through Convoy store?

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@Rat
Have you tested it?
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I will get Funtastic build tomorrow and can’t wait to test it. Bought 2x Samsung 30Q to have the same like Funtastic have.
If someone want buy there is a link to Simon store.

https://a.aliexpress.com/_m0TYaLn

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Got flashlight today. Hope Simon will change his boxes in future because after trip from China to Poland my box was crushed, he could even sent it only in bubble envelope with same result. Unlucky flashlight came with chipping on body.

Should the spot looks like that? I mean “more light down”. I know it’s thrower but want be sure if it’s not something wrong with flashlight what I can correct myself without high skills.

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What model and led is that?

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