Companies could sell upgrades for their lights

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I hate soldering drivers onto pills and it offers more chance of a short if you’re clumsy (like me!).

The most likely reason most brands don’t do it is because it doesn’t offer more chance of profit for them – if it did, they would offer it.

Many of the brands like Malkoff, Lumens Factory, Overready, etc. that offer drop-ins and head replacements sell their products at a premium and market to customers that are often looking for that specific feature.

Worth noting that unglued retaining rings and pills as a mounting/retention method is on paper more prone to issues than more permanently secured methods – an important factor for lights where users don’t know and/or want to have to be tightening down retaining rings when their light starts flickering.

Many brands also seem to have an aversion to letting customers easily disassemble their lights at all, for a number of reasons.

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Funtastic wrote:
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Pills often come with assloads of snug-fitting thread-area for pretty good heat transfer. Lookit the S2+‘s pill as an example.
Well, on most decent brands. Isn’t this why Simon moved away from pills on the C8?

Unno. A bunch around the same time started going with shelves. Convoy, UF, XinTD, etc., all started going that way, but no idea who was first, etc.

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Upgrades would not work. There is shipping involved and labor. For what? What would you pay to have your M1 upgraded? The new one is $25.

If you are talking about buying parts and doing it yourself, its a different story. Remember many of these flashlights are not meant to come apart . The parts are glued together.


The chip is a couple bucks, the driver is a couple bucks at best, the pill is a few cents of metal.
The shipping is likely heavily subsidized on their their end.

You have to ship them the light also. What about the labor? For a $20 light?

What is the most you would pay? If a light was $500 I would pay $50. So on a $20 light how much would you pay maximum?


For example my Convoy S2 has a screw in module that is the LED, pill and driver, unscrewing it and replacing it would be a 30 second job.

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We can make it, better, stronger, faster.

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You could ask Simon to send you a new pill with driver and LED installed. This may not work though as the thermal compound may dry in shipping.

Why would you though? Sell the old one and get another. A new pill with components would be close to a new S2

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lfb wrote:
I think that the pill (including driver and led) is the most expensive part of a flashlight. Most people would rather get a new flashlight for a little more and keep or selling the old one.

nope, mostly wrong.

Convoy hosts are around 20, copper pill included. for Linear driver it’s dirt cheap, leds are usually cheap. buck drivers are more like $20-30 and worth every penny.
BLF GT hosts are 100+.

You can just reuse the pill, driver and led are just abit of wire soldering if fully assembled otherwise

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Fireflies E07 219B SW45k

Fireflies E07x Pro sst20 FA4 4000k 

 

Varmint removal:

Convoy M21A C8 ver SST20 4000k (5a)

Convoy S2+ SST20 4000k  FB4 (3200ma)

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Emisar D18 660nm SST20 

 

 

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I think drop-in modules would work, they can be marketed in the right way. but anything that requires an actual skill to put something together… not sure if the normal customer can do that. BLF people are WAY more skilled than the normal person out there.

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sarge12 wrote:
I wish companies would at least start making the heads more readily available with interchangeable battery tubes. It seems to me they could make 1 universal tube for each battery size and the consumer could put any one of a dozen different heads on it they could buy separately. The same battery tube could be used for throwers and flood in a wide array of led configurations. It would even be nice if the battery tubes were universal across brands.

….feel your frustration but unfortunately, it’s the same lack of common sense from the end consumer’s viewpoint on a whole range of consumables. Look at car’s – oil, air, fuel filters…there are hundreds of them when there could be just 4 – small, medium, large, extra-large. I service my family’s cars and pain in the rear when every car is different. And when you look at battery packs for electric vehicles, they are heading down the same path. Yes, would be great if torches had standard tube/threads for interchangeable heads.

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The NiteSun HT series has 4 different interchangeable heads you can buy and they use modules. I modified the HT12 with an Osram CULPM1 and it’s brilliant at approx 1,400m. Great zoomie model

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Wasn’t one of the Brynite zoomies “modular”, ie, you could swap in white/red/green/IR pills?

Whichever one I’m thinking of, it came in a blow-mold case, had the light and other accoutrements, and came with all the color pills.

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Lightbringer wrote:
Wasn’t one of the Brynite zoomies “modular”, ie, you could swap in white/red/green/IR pills?

Whichever one I’m thinking of, it came in a blow-mold case, had the light and other accoutrements, and came with all the color pills.

Fairly certain it was the T18. NiteSun make Brinyte’s flashlights

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A relevant thread from the past:
https://budgetlightforum.com/node/66560

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Often pills have limited size for driver upgrade.But if you want do that still better than choise brands with glued drivers...

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