Type-C wall charger for our battery chargers

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Type-C wall charger for our battery chargers

What wall charger is recommended to charge QC3 devices like the Xtar VC8 (that I own) or VC4S. I cannot seem to get a single type-C charger to work with a straight type-c cable. What does work is a type-c to female usb a, then usb a to type-c, weird… but it works. From what I’ve read QC3 on type-c cannot be properly certified due to the way the power is configured and can’t be up to USB’s (governing body) standard.

I have contacted Xtar, no response for 2 weeks. Cable company (Belkin) weren’t very helpful either… I’m using Belkin cables because the cable that came in the box was USB A to Micro USB. Wall charger company was also clueless.

Basically every company wants me to find out from another variable. Xtar would want me to contact Blitzwolf, or Ravpower.

Funnily enough I can power a Xtar VC8 with my Apple charger… I didn’t know it was QC compatible. It doesn’t use the full 5v 3amps, 4 batteries charge at 500mAh.

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The Raspberry Pi 4 charger works on all my chargers:

https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_9J3trb

It has >15W and Type C and 5.1V at 3.0A.

All the cheap chargers I tried (both with good and cheap cables) ALWAYS bring trouble when charging batteries.
Same for using cheap chargers with Raspberry Pis, they randomly reboot, crash, etc

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I’m wanting to buy a type-c charger output, so I can easily stick with 1-2 cables, type-c and then one with lightning to charge my iPhone.

Having another brick isn’t the end of the world BUT I thought it would’ve been easier and cleaner to have one universal charger for battery charger/s, phones, laptops and iPads. I bought a 91w RavPower with 2 outputs, perfect. But it doesn’t work unless I use a female USB a adapter with another cable.

.. oh and did I mention I live in Australia so any plugs will kinda have to be available for us. I’m more interested to hear of what people have in terms of type-c only rather than charger recommendation s (unless it’s only type-c and can deliver 3a.

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Anker Nano powerport 3 20w version is highly rated, recommended by Apple, is better and smaller than they’re own usb-c charger. Doesn’t come with cable which is a whole’nother can of worms

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I have a Blitzwolf 2 port that works very well. It is 5v 4.8A and divides over 2 ports. Could get a little bigger, but I am not in that big a hurry. My Samsung charger works incredibly well, but it is a true QC3 and will go up to 12 volts.

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You need the right cable…and it needs to be installed the right way. If you want PD-18watt charging ALL 3 pieces need to support it. The charger, the cable & what your charging. As you want c-c play around with the cable to make sure the right end is in the right spot. A good powerbank is good for this as it will tell you the input currents it’s recieving in both Volts & Amps.

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You need the right cable…and it needs to be installed the right way. If you want PD-18watt charging ALL 3 pieces need to support it. The charger, the cable & what your charging. As you want c-c play around with the cable to make sure the right end is in the right spot. A good powerbank is good for this as it will tell you the input currents it’s receiving in both Volts & Amps.

The RavPower 91w charger that I bought supposedly supports PD and QC3, it has 2 type-c outputs. I have tried the supplied cable, Apple MacBook Pro cable, and a Belkin cable—these are all type-c to type-c cables, and I have just tried switching ends, and even rotating, each time on both ports but didn’t get it to turn on.

Can you charge your VC8 or similar device with only type-c connectors i.e charger and cables?

… additionally I bought a Blitzwolf type-c charger, and the same deal there.

The only charger I’ve got to work properly is an old Mophie Qi charger brick but that is USB A, it doesn’t charge my MacBook Pro, iPhone or iPad.

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That is correct, any adapter source that purports to support QC3 via a C-connector does not comply with USB spec. No legitimate manufacturer is going to sell such a product.

Why Xtar chose to employ a C-connector on the VC8, and not a micro-USB connector like they did with the VC4S is puzzling, and a question only they can answer. Especially when the VC8 does not support USB-PD input. There is really no good reason to do so, except to make an hollow boast about having a C-connector, and put users like yourself into confusing situations. That is not unlike when lights first appeared with USB-C ports, but could only charge via A2C cables. Good for show, not for function.

QC4 and later are compatible with USB-PD, and do employ the C-connector.

Since the newer standards are made to be backward compatible, a QC4 (preferably 4+) adapter is a possible solution, if you wish to standardize on C2C cables. A QC4 adapter, being PD compatible, will also charge your iPhone and iPad at full speed, but not your MacBook Pro, since it is limited to 27W maximum in PD mode. For that, you should stick with the RavPower 91W adapter you already have on hand. QuickCharge is a proprietary standard developed by Qualcomm. Apple has never employed QC in any product, only its Apple 2.4 standard, and USB-PD on newer products.

Otherwise, you’ll have to rely on an A2C cable to supply the VC8 from a QC3 adapter.

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What a lot of confusion about charging specs and ports – drives me nuts!

Much appreciated the link posted by TheIntruder. I’ve had my share with these “C” type of fast charging claims (OnePlus proprietary schemes that only work with their cable and their charger). So it explains the workaround by kalanh using type USB A male/female intermediary.

Looking for a replacement for my ‘broken’ MiBoxer C4-12, I had seen the post on the VC4S review and saw a few problems (2 amp charging on AAA NiMH, lack of manual control) and now this false claim of QC over Type C connector. Pity as Xtar was well received here on the forum but this model may be a dud.

I’ll stick with the chargers that come with their own power brick as Vapcell’s S4 Plus or re-order another MiBoxer C4-12.

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TheIntruder wrote:
That is correct, any adapter source that purports to support QC3 via a C-connector does not comply with USB spec. No legitimate manufacturer is going to sell such a product.

Why Xtar chose to employ a C-connector on the VC8, and not a micro-USB connector like they did with the VC4S is puzzling, and a question only they can answer. Especially when the VC8 does not support USB-PD input. There is really no good reason to do so, except to make an hollow boast about having a C-connector, and put users like yourself into confusing situations. That is not unlike when lights first appeared with USB-C ports, but could only charge via A2C cables. Good for show, not for function.

QC4 and later are compatible with USB-PD, and do employ the C-connector.

Since the newer standards are made to be backward compatible, a QC4 (preferably 4+) adapter is a possible solution, if you wish to standardize on C2C cables. A QC4 adapter, being PD compatible, will also charge your iPhone and iPad at full speed, but not your MacBook Pro, since it is limited to 27W maximum in PD mode. For that, you should stick with the RavPower 91W adapter you already have on hand. QuickCharge is a proprietary standard developed by Qualcomm. Apple has never employed QC in any product, only its Apple 2.4 standard, and USB-PD on newer products.

Otherwise, you’ll have to rely on an A2C cable to supply the VC8 from a QC3 adapter.

I agree with everything you said.. especially the part where manufacturers can and do make hollow claims for QC3 support via type-c, it’s a mis-leading (and probably) their only option at the time. Now with QC4 or PD this make the standard even more irrelevant/awkward because it doesn’t make sense.

Xtar should update all of their models to support QC4/PD and they would get ALOT of new purchases/owners. I would even get rid of this one and buy a new one if they did!

… now something I just randomly found out today. I was doing some cleaning and found a type-c to type-c cable that I’ve never used (in fact I don’t even know what it is for), for some reason I thought to try it on my Ravpower charger—and guess what? It works! 1 battery charges at 2000mAh, and 4 at 500mAh, which does make it below the spec of the VC8 of 1 3A and 4 1A but maybe the cable’s rated for 2A? Since I don’t know what device it is for I’m kind of out of luck there.

Are there type-c cables rated for QC? I would’ve thought that all cables would be made almost equal—not quite but out of 5 cables this is the only one that has even worked. Obvious ones being Apple, and Belkin’s 10gbps, 100watt cable, incl. the RavPower one that came with it.

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I recently purchased a Baseus power supply for my charging requirements. https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AcQMzt


So far, it held up and works as intended.

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bmwsancho wrote:
I recently purchased a Baseus power supply for my charging requirements. https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AcQMzt

So far, it held up and works as intended.

… interested to hear what cable you’re using. Does it have decent amp rating i.e 3A charge for 1 battery?

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bmwsancho wrote:
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AcQMzt


I lost my Macbook Pro charger and replaced it with this one, it is actually performs much better because it is smaller and more compact.
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I have that one too. It works well on my laptop, iPad, and flashlights. My one complaint is that it slips out of the wall plug a bit too easily and is looser than every other plugged in device I own. (NA plug).

It’s an excellent wall adapter that should last me for years (and if usb protocols don’t change much, decades)

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bmwsancho wrote:
I recently purchased a Baseus power supply for my charging requirements. https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AcQMzt

Thanks, I think this one will be future proof for a few years! Performance is high enough for laptops, chargers, batteries, cell phones, etc

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bmwsancho wrote:
I recently purchased a Baseus power supply for my charging requirements. https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AcQMzt


So far, it held up and works as intended.

I didn’t know you could charge larger devices with this, thanks for the details. Looks like a decent one.

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I have the Baseus window breaker, the charger, their USB cables and I am planning on getting the car charger as well. their quality is very high. Pricing isn’t always the lowest (compared to the other, really cheap items), but if you use their products like the glass breaker you will appreciate why.

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bmwsancho wrote:
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AcQMzt


I have the exact same charger, but weirdly it doesn’t have a brand name on it. Works fine though… one of those Aliexpress oddities
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kalanh wrote:

I agree with everything you said.. especially the part where manufacturers can and do make hollow claims for QC3 support via type-c, it’s a mis-leading (and probably) their only option at the time. Now with QC4 or PD this make the standard even more irrelevant/awkward because it doesn’t make sense.

Xtar should update all of their models to support QC4/PD and they would get ALOT of new purchases/owners. I would even get rid of this one and buy a new one if they did!

… now something I just randomly found out today. I was doing some cleaning and found a type-c to type-c cable that I’ve never used (in fact I don’t even know what it is for), for some reason I thought to try it on my Ravpower charger—and guess what? It works! 1 battery charges at 2000mAh, and 4 at 500mAh, which does make it below the spec of the VC8 of 1 3A and 4 1A but maybe the cable’s rated for 2A? Since I don’t know what device it is for I’m kind of out of luck there.

Are there type-c cables rated for QC? I would’ve thought that all cables would be made almost equal—not quite but out of 5 cables this is the only one that has even worked. Obvious ones being Apple, and Belkin’s 10gbps, 100watt cable, incl. the RavPower one that came with it.

All legitimate USB C-to-C cables are rated to carry 60W, or 100W, if equipped with a marker chip. The recent 2.1 update to the standards increased the latter high-power cable capacity to 240W.

Despite the standards, of which there are many, the many variables involved now mean that the results aren’t always predictable when piecing various components together.