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Strobe on angry dog

So most agree strobe not that good for defense against people. How about dogs? Or just a bright light. I don’t have any angry dogs where I live to test on.

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I don’t know about dogs —- I can shine a TN42 in my old cats eyes at 15 yds —she doesn’t even turn her head away

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Most animals have that bunnies-in-the-headlights mechanism. They are frozen.

You are a flashaholic if you are forced to come out of the closet, to make room for more flashlights.

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According to a PO I know, he relates the following. On drunks, a strobe, of just the bright light, often makes them flinch away from the light.
BUT sometimes there is no effect or makes them more belligerent. This is dependent on their mood at the time. The term mean drunk is not to be taken lightly.

Cranky pooches have moods too. Often if it’s just a bluff, the strobe, of just the bright light may (note the word may) have a deterrent effect.
BUT he’s never seen an aggressive pooch even slow down by anything if they are determined.
He also said a good loud police whistle will often throw them off their game.

And I’ve never seen any wildlife care much about light other than ones that get hunted at night – Wild Pigs for example.
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Also meant to mention that I’ve taken studio shots of dogs and a few cats.
The pop of 1500w/s of strobes doesn’t seem to bother them as much as the POP sound.
That’s several million Lumens…

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When my neighbor's pit bull attacked my mom's dog, I used a flashlight to keep the pit bull from injuring my mother or further injuring my mom's dog.

The pit bull was in our front yard and I was at the entrance of our side yard stopping the pit bull from getting to our back yard.

Sadly, my mom's dog died from his injuries, but at least my mom didn't get injured.

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Raccoon City, that’s such a sad story, sorry about the dog dying from his injuries.
Not to defend a person/dog attacking dog-that’s inexcusable,offending dog should be euthanized, but not all pits are killers. We have a half pit/half lab and he’s the sweetest dog, never hurt an an animal other than rodents he ate (see my avatar).
Re: strobe, zero effect on either one of our 2 dogs, just looked at with stupid looks on their faces.

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I’ve never had an aggressive/scared dog flee the strobe. The ones I’ve encountered usually back down or fled if I stand tall, talk to them and advance on them in a determined walk. Dog being a hunter is deciding do I hunt it or is it hunting me. Most aggressive dogs are fear aggression and back down quickly. You’ll find them keeping their distance and putting on a good show. The tail and ears almost always give away if he’s protector or scared. Pepper spray is very effective.

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Pepper spray works much better than strobe.

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raccoon city wrote:

When my neighbor's pit bull attacked my mom's dog, I used a flashlight to keep the pit bull from injuring my mother or further injuring my mom's dog.

The pit bull was in our front yard and I was at the entrance of our side yard stopping the pit bull from getting to our back yard.

Sadly, my mom's dog died from his injuries, but at least my mom didn't get injured.

October, 2018: When my neighbor's loose Belgian Shepherd ambush sicced itself me, I used a hand-held powder actuated tool to keep the dog from injuring me.

October, 2019: When my neighbor's loose Queensland Heeler ambush sicced itself me, I used a hand-held powder actuated tool to keep the dog from injuring me.

12,500 pedestrian miles in five years, seven miles per day, 70 pounds off of my body and I never got bit once by seventy loose dogs that I encountered alone on the street. I wear a GoPro camera, and criminal loose dog offenders are getting tickets. 

I forcibly refuse to make a perfect victim sacrificial offering of my flesh and blood to the Almighty Dog that this evil society worships and serves. 

Any flashlight would not have saved this child: (scroll up to view the main content) https://blog.dogsbite.org/2021/04/child-killed-mother-hospitalized-while...

Flashlights are not for stopping things. Force is not for seeing things.

 

https://blog.dogsbite.org/2021/05/dog-owner-charged-with-tampering-after-fatal-dog-attack.html#comment-36845

https://blog.dogsbite.org/2021/05/pair-of-family-rottweilers-kill-baby-johnston-county-nc.html#comment-36704

 

Pepper spray is mostly utterly useless. "Police were forced to discharge their firearms when pepper spray proved to be ineffective." This happens many, many, many times per day. Police in the USA shoot about 100 dogs per day. The dog is charging at 30 feet per second. The pepper spray has a few feet range and takes two seconds to have any effect, which is utterly useless if it is a determined attack.

 

Six million times per year in the USA, new singers of the same old song: "He was always so friendly. I don't know what could have gotten into him."

 

Any flashlight is utterly useless to prevent dog attack. Utterly. Useless.

 

 

Because I like big lights, my flashlightical views lean heavily toward both the extreme bright and the extreme heft.

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Except maybe the 6D MagClub.

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Strobe vs male pitbull. Pitbull wins.

My prediction is strobe angers pitbull and dog ends up taking revenge on strobe owner.

Don’t do it man. Bear pepper spray maybe, not a flashlight.

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My dog (border collie/heeler mix) sees a strobe, and he WANTS IT! Or a ramp. I was under my computer desk the other day fiddling with something, and ramped up my D4, and all of sudden, it was gone. The dog was half way downstairs before I caught him and pulled it out of his mouth.

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Dirty Water Guy wrote:

not all pits are killers.

Yep, I know.

But ever since the attack, I don't trust pit bulls or their owners.

Pit bulls have a history of being bred and trained to kill other dogs.

They have the highest rate of attacking and killing dogs, and humans.

They also turn on their owners at a high rate.

It's not the dog's fault, but their owner's (and their history.)

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I live in rural Malaysia – in my area in particular there are many, many stray mutts. Due to lack of infrastructure there’s nothing that the local government does about them. I can speak from personal experience that turbo modes actually work very well against an aggressive dog. The dogs actually stop in their tracks, even charging ones. I’ve had most success with lights with turbo modes 1500 lumens and above. Again, this is personal experience, against street dogs without owners or training. Your results may vary, but as for me it’s something I rely on if I have to pass an area with a high concentration of street dogs.

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Dogs are AS different from each other…. as people are from one another.

Some run toward a firing weapon, some flee from a dropped pan. Some do what they’re told. All of that can be influenced by training, but probably doesn’t change much on flashlight OUTPUT.

You could have the reverse of the effect of what you desire from some dogs, by shining them with a light – they might escalate. Those dogs are a vast minority – if you aren’t breaking the law.

I would take the risk every time.

Not my first choice for protection, but from racoon city comment we know that can be heroically effective.

Carry a bright flashlight!

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The flashlight I used, the Lumapower MRV SE isn't that bright in 2021, but at the time it was my best flashlight.

The pit bull ran in circles in the front yard, and every time it approached me, I shined the flashlight in its face.

I got lucky because I don't think that'll work with all dogs.

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How many pitbull attacks do we need to have before we are convinced that pitbulls are dangerous? Did you ever see a vicious springer spaniel attack or from a Labrador? Never. Come on guys. The pitbull owners need to be held accountable. This is not a joke.

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Some communities actually ban pit bulls, but not around where I live.

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zoulas wrote:
How many pitbull attacks do we need to have before we are convinced that pitbulls are dangerous? Did you ever see a vicious springer spaniel attack or from a Labrador? Never. Come on guys. The pitbull owners need to be held accountable. This is not a joke.

I have seen many types of dogs attack. There are tendencies among breeds, but I was told my Anita (sp, Akita) would be viscious, and he would try to he your friend so hard before he would bite, if ever. The owner matters.

The question is flashlight effectiveness on the species, not which shade of nasty dog you have met?

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Actually I found an umbrella to be more effective against aggressive dogs. The sudden opening is very disorienting to them.
But jerky works pretty well too.

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Slightly different note here. There are 6 shepherd/wolf mixes loose in Raleigh NC. The responsible owner(sarcasm) thought his wolf mixes were spayed 11 puppies later it was discovered one female was not.Responsible owner (sarcasm) did not know it is illegal in NC to have any number of wolf mixes in NC. Responsible owner(sarcasm) kept wolf mixes hidden behind privacy fence. Responsible owner (sarcasm) did not think about wolf mixes digging under fence. Responsible owner(vomit) may face charges up to and including a modest fine(vomit) as reported on local news. Last week in the same area of the state another responsible owner( vomit) of 72 venomous snakes “lost” a cobra which occupied several police officers several animal control officers and the national media for the majority of a week. The responsible parents and neighbors who were warned to stay indoors had to suck it up buttercup. The parents of a child who was killed by 2 pit bulls had to hire a lawyer(diarrhea) to prevent the responsible owners(more diarrhea) from getting the two pit bulls back. Try your strobe if’n you want to. Please videotape the encounter if you can. You too can make the news. Don’t take a flashlight to a …….

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Whether a flashlight will help is basically dependent on which behaviour the dog is exhibiting as much as the breed.

If a dog is trained to attack, or decides it needs to be in attack behaviour then a flashlight will do nothing to dissuade it.

If the dog is in guard behaviour a flashlight may help, but that would be mostly because you are not moving. It will monitor you to see if it needs to take further action or until the owner lets it know otherwise.

Pit bulls are a breed that were bred for pit fighting so the aggression is built into the breed as that was a trait that it was bred for, any animal can have that type of breeding. Pit bull owners are the biggest cause of attacks, if they are attracted to the dog as a power symbol. Pit bulls and Rottweilers are considered more dangerous because they have the strongest bite pressures and can also lock/clamp onto the victim.

Any dog that has a bad owner is a liability. A “bad breed” with a good owner is less of a liability. A good breed with a good owner makes up the majority of ownership. I’ve dealt with hundreds if not thousands of dogs over the years and only got bit once, it was a German Shepherd with a bad owner. Got me by surprise because the original owner was the bad one, new owner had not fully learned/trained the dog.

As Texas Shooter mentioned, show fear to a dog and it will react. Stand up and it may back down. Once had a 80lb pitbull charge across the yard at me with no chance of escape. Just stood there without moving and it just stayed there and barked until the owner showed, was in guard mode. Every neuron in my brain said to run because it was a pitbull, that would not have ended well.

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Camaro wrote:
Whether a flashlight will help is basically dependent on which behaviour the dog is exhibiting as much as the breed.

If a dog is trained to attack, or decides it needs to be in attack behaviour then a flashlight will do nothing to dissuade it.

If the dog is in guard behaviour a flashlight may help, but that would be mostly because you are not moving. It will monitor you to see if it needs to take further action or until the owner lets it know otherwise.

Pit bulls are a breed that were bred for pit fighting so the aggression is built into the breed as that was a trait that it was bred for, any animal can have that type of breeding. Pit bull owners are the biggest cause of attacks, if they are attracted to the dog as a power symbol. Pit bulls and Rottweilers are considered more dangerous because they have the strongest bite pressures and can also lock/clamp onto the victim.

Any dog that has a bad owner is a liability. A “bad breed” with a good owner is less of a liability. A good breed with a good owner makes up the majority of ownership. I’ve dealt with hundreds if not thousands of dogs over the years and only got bit once, it was a German Shepherd with a bad owner. Got me by surprise because the original owner was the bad one, new owner had not fully learned/trained the dog.

As Texas Shooter mentioned, show fear to a dog and it will react. Stand up and it may back down. Once had a 80lb pitbull charge across the yard at me with no chance of escape. Just stood there without moving and it just stayed there and barked until the owner showed, was in guard mode. Every neuron in my brain said to run because it was a pitbull, that would not have ended well.


I’ve heard that felons liked pit bulls for protection because can’t or rather shouldn’t own gun.
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I don't have a great fear of Rottweilers or German Shepherds in general, but they have great bite strength like pit bulls do.

If I hear any dog is dangerous, or if it's a police dog trained to bite, I stay the heck away from them as well.

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Also would day or night make a difference? Someone must have annoying neighbor dogs behind fence to experiment on.

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Can we all just agree…a flashlight is not a weapon. I would never use one for self defense. On the other hand, it is good to be able to see what I shoot at.

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Henk4U2 wrote:
Most animals have that bunnies-in-the-headlights mechanism. They are frozen.

That certainly lines up next to my real-world experience with an extremely aggressive dog.

On a walk at night, my 7 year old daughter came running back at top speed screaming because she was being chased by a extremely nasty boxer. “You’re going to get severely injured tonight.” kind of chased.

I turboed the D18 I was carrying at it and it did stop. In fact, it was basically frozen staring at the light. Frozen long enough that it’s caretaker caught up to it and got it under control.

I had no time for strobe, but I think just a solid punishing beam is probably more effective. Strobe gives relief between beams, solid punishing beam does not.

Very glad the D18 did indeed stop it.

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sarge12 wrote:
Can we all just agree…a flashlight is not a weapon. I would never use one for self defense. On the other hand, it is good to be able to see what I shoot at.
I have nothing against animals, be they 4 legged or 2. BUT if either try to attack & do me harm… I am going to do my absolute best to kill them graveyard dead.
The end….. ✅
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Everyone is scared of gators, snakes, cougers, and bears but man’s best friend is the biggest killer in the USA anyway.

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