The first XM-L T6 bin flashlights and P60 modules. This is the beginning

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this may explain some of the dumping  that's been going on .

 

An LED that may make everything else look lame .

didn't expect that

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Don wrote:

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Im very impressed with the 95,000 dedomed lux as apposed to 50,000 with the dome

This seems wrong, that's not how I understand the optics. Most likely he had the wrong focal length with the dome on.

 

I think the dome is at least partially a beam spreader to get the125o beam angle. Like the SST LEDs the "intrinsic" beam is narrower.

 

Yes, but even with a wide beam, it only means a larger hotspot (to the detriment of spill), not a brighter one, similar to xp-e vs xr-e. It does, however, change the distance to the image of die.

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Get a deep enough reflector of appropriate diameter and focal length and you'll focus anything,

 

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I was already assuming optimal focus for the remarks about hotspot/size. I said that he got the measurements he did because it wasn't focused as well for the domed measurement as the de-domed one.

 

The other possibility is given the measurement are made at non-infinite distance, one is focused to the meter better to provide the larger number.

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Don wrote:

That's not how I read it - I think he's saying that dedoming will kill it as it does for XR-Es.

 

But it wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong.

LOL! I just read it again and still believe the dedomed (say that 3 times fast) was stable at 3A but got killed at 4A. Yeah I know... it needs much more testing on the bench, and over a much longer duration. For the price of XM-L's, a few shortened hours of life wouldnt matter much to me. Besides, im beginning to love my soldering iron! I have a MRV that I popped the dome off of (XR-E) and it has lived many hours of continuous use at 1.6A. Maybe its the luck of the draw, and also how well sinked the emitter is. Either way, this new emitter seems to be putting some of the anticipation back into our hopeless sick disease.

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FlashPilot wrote:

Don wrote:

That's not how I read it - I think he's saying that dedoming will kill it as it does for XR-Es.

 

But it wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong.

 Either way, this new emitter seems to be putting some of the anticipation back into our hopeless sick disease.

 

You got it!

Hopeless disease is about it....

 

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For the price of XM-L's, a few shortened hours of life wouldnt matter much to me.

I think the more immediate risk to de-doming is that the gelatenous stuff that's the under dome becomes unprotected and also host to the phosphor. I de-domed a cree and even after immediately putting it back on, it wasn't quite the same as before.

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Like you, I removed my dome by accident and tried to stick it back on. The beam was so ugly that I just removed it completely. I took a toothpick to the gelatinous stuff and it was easily removed.
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I will see about ordering from Ebay , [ bare emitter ]  

The P60 pill is $20 now ... So you may want to buy a 502B for $25 

the 16mm base will be ok for P60 builds , but for smaller EDC lights ??  , 14mm would be better ...   Just waiting to hear back from the ebay seller ....

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let us know!

i want 14mm!!!

ill buy a crap load!

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The ebay seller only has them on 16mm basses , I have ordered 2 to play with ...

Now which lights will become XML ?  hmmmm   [ Solarforce L2X @ Ultrafire A20 ??  ]  

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Another one just popped up and its in one of my favorite P60 hosts.

 
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FlashPilot wrote:

 

What kind of beam pattern is that? Just a big hotspot with no spill? Or all spill with no hotspot? Or just a bad picture? I'm not sure what you get with a flat-bottomed reflector like that and a big LED like this.

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Bad picture. It's the same type of reflector as any other. The flat base does nothing. The hotspot will be small because the apparent area is large, if the emitter is well focused.

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I can't wait for reviews on some of these lights!!

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mizjif wrote:

I can't wait for reviews on some of these lights!!

 

Well, I guess this will take longer. I'm waiting for a DX package. It left HK today, after it was sitting there for five weeks. Horrible!

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Know the problem. A DX order on October 11th left HK on 2nd December and will now be in a PO truck somewhere here. But an order from Australia arrived in under a week.

 

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As of now, XML is much more expensive than XPG.

 

To all of you much more experienced: I do not want a new flashlight now, but will probably buy one in the not so distant future. Will the price go down in the next 6 months?

 

Also, is there any hope for a well driven XML 14500? Or the 14550 is simply not powerful enought?

 

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with 14500 you will not have the full power of the XML. With 14500 you will have to use IMR cells... and the runtime will be poor.

However, a 14500 flahslight, with a driver limiting current at 2A with 14500 and XML is possible, More than 2A on an standard 14500 cell .... possible but not recommended

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I will put a XML into my A20 [ 16340 ] , for a pocket rocket ..  @ 2A ?? Hopefully 1.5A as it does 1.5 with the Q5 ATM , so if I can get 2A with my better 16340's .. It will rock for a EDC ..

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newbie74 wrote:

To all of you much more experienced: I do not want a new flashlight now, but will probably buy one in the not so distant future. Will the price go down in the next 6 months?

I think the price will come down some in a few months as these become more widely available. Because the LED die area is larger, I don't know if they will ever come down as much as a XP-G.

 

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Also, is there any hope for a well driven XML 14500? Or the 14550 is simply not powerful enought?

It's a higher bin at 350mA, so at any current, the XML will put out more light. But I imagine the hotspot won't be as bright as the XP-G, which wasn't as bright as the XR-E or XP-E. But if the current isn't regulated, it would be like runnning a XP-G from a 10440 and suck the life out of a 14500 in no time.

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Cutters prices have gone up !!!  Used to be $7 for a XP-G now almost $10  .. With the Ozzi banana going up in value the price should have come down , but not so .. 

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First XM-L mod beamshots I've seen

In an RQ thrower. Direct drive.

Since I have a defunct HS-802 this looks interesting....

http://www.light-reviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=927

 

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Don, EXIF info doesn't match on all beam pics.

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I didn't check that...

 

Ah well, we'll see what arrives when the dropin finally gets here - which is not likely to be any time soon - last package to arrive from HK had spent 7 weeks in the HK Post Office. 

 

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Don wrote:

Ah well, we'll see what arrives when the dropin finally gets here - which is not likely to be any time soon - last package to arrive from HK had spent 7 weeks in the HK Post Office. 

KD said my XM-L drop-in shipped December 2. HKP showed nothing until today when they said it was posted December 3 by the shipper. So it still hasn't left HK yet. Just got an order from ITC in 10 days, so I hope to get this towads the end of next week . . .

Meanwhile Thrunite and EagleTac have announced XM-L lights, but I don't know if they are shipping yet.

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brted wrote:

Don wrote:

Ah well, we'll see what arrives when the dropin finally gets here - which is not likely to be any time soon - last package to arrive from HK had spent 7 weeks in the HK Post Office. 

KD said my XM-L drop-in shipped December 2. HKP showed nothing until today when they said it was posted December 3 by the shipper. So it still hasn't left HK yet. Just got an order from ITC in 10 days, so I hope to get this towads the end of next week . . .

Meanwhile Thrunite and EagleTac have announced XM-L lights, but I don't know if they are shipping yet.

 

Thing is, even once it gets out of HK, the UK has had a lot of unexpected snow and it's caused chaos on the roads and railways. And, as a result with the mail.

 

My BLF special hasn't arrived yet Sad

And I've still not found the U20

And I've lost the Trustfire F22

Cry

 

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My Eastward 4 mode spent 1 week doing nothing until yesterday ...  Would be nice if it arrives this week ... [ Would be nice ] 

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yea, with an XML go 18650 (or bigger lol) or go home!

dont mess with 14500's at that amperage for sure.

 

im still sitting tight for 14mm versions!

 

tho i MAY buy one to try on my p60 base lol..... still thinking lol

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