100Mcd LEP - Laser Phosphor Wheel

I am patiently waiting for my electronics engineer to work out all the coding, communications, bunch of sensors, and laser drivers.

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There are some updates regarding the phosphor wheel.
Here is some preliminary information:
100% of the industry uses phosphor wheels to obtain Red Green Blue for projectors. Selectively mixing R, G, and B will grant you almost all colors.
Blue lasers are extremely cost effective. They are high power, low cost, beam can be focused into much smaller spot compared to LEDs giving a high intensity.
Red and Green lasers are very expensive and has much lower power output.
Therefore, it would not be cost effective to use Blue lasers, Red lasers, and Green lasers in one projector.

In order to create a cost-effective product, the industry only sticks with using Blue lasers. The component that solves this issue are Phosphor Wheels. PW convert the blue laser light into a large spectrum of light ranging from yellow to red.
By using a dichroic filter, it is possible to split this yellowish light into separate green and red channels. Now that we have Blue (from laser) Green and Red (from PW) we have the necessary colors to produce a projector.

Here are some examples:


However,
In my case however, I do NOT need RGB channels. I am NOT making a projector! I just want a flash light.
The design is simple, focus blue light onto phosphor wheel, and then collect all the light into a beam!

The result would be a yellowish tint. Not very pleasing to look at.

For my case, there are two solutions.

  1. Produce a new phosphor that outputs white light. (similar to the ones used on LEP flashlights)
  2. Mix blue light into the system to obtain white light.

Solution 1: The industry is currently NOT focused on making white phosphor wheels. There are no buyers. Everyone is only buying Yellow phosphors. If I were to make PWs with white phosphor, it would require new tooling costing of up to 20,000USD+

Solution 2: As I have mentioned before, the yellowish light produced has an even amount of green and red. Once I add blue, it will result in white light! There are phosphor wheels that have unique surfaces on them. Some have a transparent sections. Some have different colors. Some have diffusers to reduce laser speckle. And lastly, some have a reflective diffuser.
If I were to add a section of reflective diffuser, I would directly diffuse the blue laser directly into my output light so it becomes white.
The fixture costs to arrange this would be below 5000USD

Both solutions have a proportionally high cost, so I will stick with the current yellow phosphor and make a decision later.


Thanks for the update, I appreciate you taking the time to share, I’ve learned a lot from reading all that you have shared in this thread. I dont have the time or knowledge for a project like this but at least I can share in the enjoyment watching you put it together.

If you can make this work and get 100 Mcd, you can probably sell these for a few thousand dollars easily. It sounds far more powerful than the new Acebeam W50 and the Peakbeam

It also will cost thousands of dollars to build, so profit margin = 0 :frowning:

The Acebeam W50 costs $2,300 for 1200 lumens / 4 Mcd

For 25x the beam intensity, who knows how much you could charge. Military, coast guard, or people with more money than brains

My plan is to post the BOM and 3d files for public gain. Trying to make any money from this project would result in its certain demise. I’m happy to give information for free anyways.

The best case scenario would maybe find a manufacturer who is willing to arrange a group buy haha.
Theoretically speaking, it is unbelievably cheap for something of this caliber considering it was designed without the need of fixtures, toolings, and molds. Everything is flat sheet cut. There are no CNC metal parts. The things that are more complex 3D shapes can be 3d printed without supports. All the other components (radiator, pump, fan, battery) are consumer grad;e which are already competitively priced.

The only major component that needs special attention is the Parabolic reflector. I bought one with a customized rectangular hole cut for 400USD. It might go down to 300USD if there is a group purchase. The process to make a metal reflector is very slow and labor intensive. This is still very high considering it is just a piece of metal.

The perfect solution would be a parabolic reflector made of glass. The manufacturing process of glass reflectors automatically results in smooth and accurate surfaces every time. Very cheap too!

~50USD each but the mold and fixture costs would be around 4000USD.

I’d definitely be interested in a group buy depending on approx. price of course. I would think this would be a big hit on Kickstarter as well

My engineer has finished the PCBs and programming! The package arrived and I am doing initial installation now.
This fits nicely on the bottom.

There is a breakout board connection that routes to the top where the LCD and UI panel will connect to.

Wow that’s exciting! So how soon can I buy a 100 Mcd light from you? (:

I have been considering to try a high powered laser projector.
I think a RGB laser projector can easily reach 100Mcd+
You could probably even enlarge the beam by setting the laser to scan a circular area. So it has a useful spot

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Strong-Power-20W-30W-50W-Outdoor_60792982961.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_title.73e7c3ecgRAaaR

https://rgblasersystem.com/product/pictor-40/

OMG, just saw this and it is crazy. There was a thread on CPF some years back by a guy who did light shows. He bought a WW2 surplus carbon arc searchlight that had to be towed around on a trailer. This thing is tiny by comparison and might not be too far off in light output.

(WW2 searchlight)

Ha that sounds awesome. I’m actually outside right now shining my 10,000 lumen 4300K Firefoxes FF5 HID.

I got the UI panel running





Almost 30lbs!!!

“science is not about why, it’s about why not!”

But still, why?! :smiley:

Just for the heck of it or do you have an application in mind for it? This is the most crazy thing I’ve seen for a while! Keep it up!

Awesome! Good to see this project coming together!

Just for fun. (:
I was a fan of throwers ever since I started flashlights.

I realized pushing my limits on projects is what advances me very far. I’m forced to learn new things in order to complete the puzzle. People call it stealth learning.

Can’t wait to see some beamshots!

You’ll probably be able to see them from your house!

:smiley: :smiley:

Ya one might ask (indeed, people have…) why I have several dozen flashlights. “What are you going to use them for?”

I have a 100,000 lm MS18 that I take out rarely and didn’t need it for anything (: