Aspheric lights - recycling sidespill back into the emitter

the Dr. is in!

I finally got around to reading your post. It will take a couple more reads for it to be knowledge, but I did learn a few things already :slight_smile:

I’ve been wondering - how different is the behavior in color emitters - particularly, red and green version of pt-54, sst-90, xp-e, xr-e. I’ve got a green sst-90 sitting here that’s going in an 7g5v2 (aspheric) and i’m wondering if I should dedome.

second question should get us back on topic. what are your thoughts on the size of the ā€˜recycling’ reflector? The experiments referenced above used a 5mm ashperic aluminum collar - but wavien’s is much bigger. Trial and error seems a very inefficient way to determine the ideal size - what does ā€˜science’ say?

To my thinking…the larger the reflector, the more accurate its surface and placement must be…and at some point, the intervening air space (and impurities?) could become a factor. But I can’t figure out why it shouldn’t be as small as possible…

Dedoming color emitters - hm, difficult to say, since there’s no diffuse phosphor layer. Reflected photons might not change their angle and thus never get out; the die surface roughness would help a bit though. I assume that the net effect is quite less.

The original wavien collar was intended for the SST-90, thus the size - but it was placed directly onto the dome (if I remember correctly). Having no air gap between dome and LED would be a nice thing to have, but the XM-L or even XP-G2 are quite small, and the dome is not that much bigger than the die, which makes things a bit difficult. Since the die is an extensive source, a small reflector might block some light that would have hit the lens, or not reflect some rays that don’t hit it.

A bigger back-reflector can more selectively reflect only that light that really won’t hit the lens, but it will have a harder job to really hit the die again.

W. Collar in DEFT X is pretty big:

Ma_Sha1,

Do you know anything about the collar in this pic? The reason I ask is the wavien callers I have look very different. That one has a much larger opening and appears to have some kind of plastic around the rim.