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Recently, we have received some complains saying that they have received 5000K LH351D LED instead of 5700K version, at first, I thought “ok, maybe it’s my mistake”. But when I tried to look more into it, I think we have not made any mistake, but because those two LEDs are too close, and the customers just “think” they have received “5000K” instead of 5700K.

1. As you probably know, our flashlights are made to the orders, and since we provide dozens of different LED options, each MCPCB is actually marked with the order number including the LED color temperature at the back, I’m not saying that I don’t make any mistake, but it’s almost impossible for us to use wrong LED for multiple lights. If the label on the flashlight box is marked as “5700K”, I have my reason to believe that it’s indeed 5700K, not the others.

2. I have compared the LH351D 5000K and 5700K, they are SO CLOSE, you can hardly to tell the difference unless to compare them side by side, the difference is just minimum, please refer to the photos, the real life difference is even much less noticeable than in the photos. I have to look real carefully to tell which one is which.

3. So, if you believe you have received 5000K instead of 5700K, we have nothing to prove it unless you have exact the same lights with both 5000K, and 5700K to shine at the wall like in the image, which I think no customers have exact the same lights with both of these two LEDs.

4. And since many customers like to choose the W1/W2 6000K with LH351D 5700K LED combination, since they think the 300K difference is small, but when they see the real product, they will find the W1/W2 6000K is cooler as they expect, and the 5700K LED looks too neutral, and thought that they have received 5000K version instead of 5700K, but that is just the nature of these two LEDs.

Did anyone complain that they got the wrong tint?

Don’t have any Hank lights with LH351D however this has been my experience from sampling LH351D 5000K and 5700K from various sources. Nichia emitters are a completely different story.

Depending on the color bin they can be closer in CCT :

If it’s R1/R3 for 5000K and Q4/Q2 for 5700K

:frowning: . Group buy?! :slight_smile:

True, when to put B35AM 5000K and 5700K LED side by side, I can quickly tell which one is which, but it’s hard to tell which one is LH351D 5000K, which one is 5700K.

Yes, the only complain that we have received recently is that, they said they have received 5000K LH351D LED instead of 5700K version,
but when I look more into it, I don’t think we have made such mistake.

great explanation on this. Osram 6000k (especially W1, which always seems cooler to me than w2) compared to any sbt90.2 5700k I have, the color temperatures are vastly different "looking".

I'm in! Well, I'd want to see the sample of 4000k first LOL. Don't want green, I'd rather have Hanks nicely tinted non hi cri if that is the case

great point. I see this with xpl-hi too. The nicely tinted 5d2 (or 5d4, I can't remember lol) look much cooler than 5a anything I've had, or 5d1/3

I know Cheule and I both did.

He had a KR4 with 5700K’s and ordered a D4S with them too, but the D4S came with 5000K’s which are noticably warmer when compared side by side. He also tested with a CCT measuring app on his phone.

I measured my D4S with 5700K written on the box. I measured 5000K with my opple light master 3.

Hank rectified the situation satisfactory for both of us, but his response to this makes me a little concerned for my latest D4SV2 & D4V2 order with 5700K’s. I will test and report the CCT when they arrive.

those are interesting. The xhp35 HI looks really rosy compared to the b35am?

nice collection of dm11 by the way!

If anything the B35AM looks rosy compared to XHP35.

I think Cree allows you to choose the tint as well. But that’s the thing - 3500K, 4000K or 4500K? 80+ CRI or 90+ CRI? XHP35 HI or HD? Everyone would have to agree on all of those.

very interesting TG. I saw it in a chuele video too. I wonder what is going on, I mean there is so many variables. Mess up with Samsung labeling/binning/production? Binning can vary greatly in the overall spectrum, and there is no clear cut line between cct's as the freeman stated, depending what bin two cct's are they can be within a few hundred K, or less, of each other.

Then there is the issue of cct changing over the range of output with increase or decrease amperage.

Do you have any lh351d 5700k lights beside the one from Hank? Im sure chuele does, if he sees this- how does it compare to the other lh351d 5700k?

This may be due to the tint (above or below BBL) instead of the CCT. Usually, a green tint makes lights look warmer (lower CCT), while a pink tint makes lights look colder (higher CCT).

For example, a very pink tint like 219B sw45k (4500K) will often look more like 5700K. I have a very green “7500K” XP-G3 light which looks closer to 5700K due to its color, and when I first saw SST-20 5000K it was so green I thought it was 4000K.

Comparing beams on a white wall is better than nothing, but it’s no substitute for a colorimeter measurement. A strong tint can give the appearance of a very different CCT.

I received the incorrect emitter. I ordered 5700K twice, once for a KR4 and one for a D4SV2 a few weeks later because I loved the KR4 so much.

Maybe I’m more attuned to CCT than the average bear, but I immediately noticed the LH351D in the D4SV2 was too warm. Then when I held up the KR4, it was confirmed.

Additionally I have two more objective tools to rate CCT, and they both state that the KR4 is 5700K as it should be and the D4SV2 is in fact 5000K. The tools are LSP.evo for my iPhone as well as Opple Light Meter Pro.

But there is also a tint difference between the two, with the 5000K being much greener. You can see that in my video around the 3:30 mark:

After I made this video, a bunch of “me toos” popped up around me. Again, these were confirmed by light meters, not just opinion.

I also thought I got the wrong emitters but now I’m not sure. I decided to do some testing using two IPhone apps: LSP.Evo and Photone. all of these were done on an iPhone 13 pro max, in a dark room, against a white wall. The only other 5000k LH351D light I have is a BLF LT1 so I compared my new D4SV2 with that and one with an XPL-HI. I also tried the LH351D with a minus green filter to see if the tint changes what the apps report.

D4SV2 XPL-Hi 5000k LSP.EVO: 4300k (5000k w/correction)
D4SV2 XPL-Hi 5000k Photone: 5000K

D4SV2 LH351D 5700k LSP.EVO: 4800k (5500k w/correction)
D4SV2 LH351D 5700k Photone: 5500k

D4SV2 LH351D 5700k w/ Lee 804 filter LSP.EVO: 4600k (5300k w/correction)
D4SV2 LH351D 5700k w/ Lee 804 filter Photone: 5500k

SC64c LE LH351D 4000k LSP.EVO: 3600k (4300k w/correction)
SC64c LE LH351D 4000k Photone: 4000k

These results might be off because its a lantern:
BLF LT1 LH351D 5000k LSP.EVO: 4300k (5000k w/correction)
BLF LT1 LH351D 5000k Photone: 4600k

So it seems that all the LSP.evo numbers are consistently under by about 700 (added as a correction) but the Photone numbers are much closer. I did some more testing with emitters that are not as close in CCT and both apps seem to be consistent with the above results. so it appears the 5700k LH351D in my light seems to be closer to 5500k and the very green tint makes it appear even warmer as toykeeper said. don’t really know what to make of all this but it’s interesting. maybe if we know what bins hank is using that would help because cheule mentioned that his 5700k one is much less green. Mine appears very green with a tint of 14 on LSP.EVO

My only experience with lh351d 5700k are from hank and simon, and they all read around 5300k on lsp.evo for me. i have an opple on the way, too. To my eyes, they’re above 5000k, but not by all that much. i don’t have any lh351d currently in a light, but they’re cooler.

I’ve seen enough variation in CCT/tint for some LEDs to chalk it up to binning. i’m personally not very concerned with it, but it does sound like some are, and i don’t want to belittle their disappointment.

Cheule, have you tested it without optics? Suspecting you get a tint shift from that as well!

My DM11 came in today. I’m not going to say much until I publish my full review, so here’s a picture.

I’ll go so far as to say it’s making a positive impression though.