So what are you saying there CAN, sb56637 isn’t doing a good enough job for you? You want run the show? See stricter enforcement?
Lol you sound so aggressive 
I reserve the right to complain when I need to. Don't particularly care who the seller is. I also think a certain American party would welcome OP to their ideology. Suppression of free speech being paramount. :p
If you don’t like it, don’t read it. SB will take care of it if needed.
Who are you to tell me what I can say?
:bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile:
Well, BLF was created to be a place where people can voice their concerns about flashlight products and vendors with a certain degree of freedom without being quelled by cranky moderators and commercial interests. So I don’t usually step in or try to discourage people from discussing bad experiences with vendors, as long as they aren’t being repetitive, annoying, or obviously trying to stir up an argument. However, Can’s point about racist comments is definitely a valid one. We absolutely don’t need to stoop to the filth of racist comments or make sweeping blanket statements (“These Chinese are always liers / lazy / swindlers”) in order to discuss a given issue with a Chinese vendor.
I think the problem is some people think a rasist comment is being made when it’s not.
(“These Chinese are always liers / lazy / swindlers”)
That comment is, but a lot of the angry comments tend to be along the lines of ‘these Chinese vendors are all the same, dishonest’.
But I see that type of comment aimed more at the vendor than the person. And I kind of understand why they are made. But I am not condoning rasism, I just think some members here can misunderstand the comments sometimes.
Marc
Yep, it’s definitely a fine line to walk. That’s why I don’t usually intervene unless the conversation starts getting vicious.
Anyway maybe we should make can a mod. After all, if anyone can, can can! 
Sorry can. Just had to.
Marc
When I read the OP I thought that a reasonable discussion was started, perhaps a bit harshly stated. So I am a bit surprised at the many upset responses, even referring to 'fundamental rights'. (although freedom of speech is as important over here as overseas, I am probably not american enough to directly feel restricted in that ;-) )
I agree that there's many posts about bad experiences with chinese vendors, very common experiences unfortunately but not quite news, and I think it helps if those experiences are gathered in the 'rating' threads, where also the good experiences are posted to get a balanced view of a vendor.
What you say sounds very balanced, djozz.
I’ve never broken rule #10 and I think that sb56637 should severely punish anyone who breaks rule #10. I would never think of violating rule #9.
Please don’t confuse my comments as racist when I talk about some of the Chinese merchants, I’m just trying to let everyone know the truth about them. The truth is they are aliens (Ferengi) who stole the honest merchant’s identity.
You can’t see them for what they are because you need a special pair of Roddy Piper sunglasses to see them. (RIP Roddy, you will be missed and never forgotten. It’s a shame that a mysterious blood clot can kill a healthy person.)
Now that I got that off my chest, I’ll get back to searching for some online deals for Reynolds Wrap. I need Reynolds Wrap for er um…. to heat sink my P60 drop-ins. Yes, that’s it. For my drop-ins.
What about rule 34? 8)
There are no exceptions. (keeping it semi-family-friendly…)
The slamming of vendors is out of control lately. Some of the comments sound as if they come from a 13 year old, others are just off the chart.
If you go back about 2 1/2 years in the threads, you see Wallbuy’s getting slammed.
They were the Devil some members would say, “I’ll never buy from them again”
They did some good things for this forum, and they made some mistakes. But finally they gave up on trying to appease us.
Then FastTech came on the scene and they were declared to be “Better than sliced bread” and they were dang good for quite a spell.
Then Vaping came along and they had to more than double their work force. Suddenly flashlight customers weren’t “quite” as important and some problems came to pass. They are still my #1 in terms of follow thru. YMMV
Now it is another vendor that is getting more than they deserve in the shaming dept.
One thing you have to give the Chinese, they don’t ban customers after having had to suffer abusive emails, public shaming like this forum, etc.
If any of you have sold anything on Ebay, you know that the first time a customer screws you, you ban them.
But these vendors come back for more and try to please, try to earn business. Imagine trying to run a business where you are gonna lose 90% of disputes from Paypay, you are out the product, the shipping and the money.
Sure, some of the refunds are legitimate, but a Whole lot of them are not.
Scummers who prey on budget dealers just because they can have only to remember this “Karma is a Bitch” You know who you are.
But to hear some of these questionable rants and they always either start of finish with “I’ll never do business with them again”
2 weeks later they say they placed a big order and “They better not screw it up THIS time or I’m filing another Paypay dispute”
Again, don’t buy from them, More product for me and the other members who “get it” and measure the risks and when problems do arise that they deal with it like adults and usually resolve the matter without having to come here to Grandstand.
Here’s the point. If you can’t deal with late shipments and flashlights that may need some fiddling,that may have parts come loose (remember these vendors are half way across the globe from North America, so a lot of shaking is going to occur.)
Then do your self, and all of us a favor and buy from a closer/higher priced vendor. Stop buying overseas. Do it.
Finally, It would be great to have a Private area for PMS, for those who need to rant to have a space that does not clog up the main board and cause such trouble.
Maybe a sticky to direct complaints to that area. Put an instruction in the signup info when a new member joins.
That’s the view from my window, your view is what you make it.
Thanks for the read.
Later,
Keith
As long as people aren’t breaking the rules I want to hear about who is and isn’t a good seller.
Im sick of being ripped off by Chinese companies (yes, only Chinese companies so far) and the only way these crooks will lose business is through the freedom of speech that our forefathers fought for.
Chris
I think some of the increase in vendor complaints has come from the increase of vendors that come here, plus the increase in overall sales from vendors here, such as group buys and vendor threads showing sale items. That has increased tremendously over the years, so naturally, the number of complaints has increased as well. I bet that the actual percentage of complaints versus the amount of sales, has not increased or decreased. Usually, it maintains a steady rate.
I personally think if things get out of control, it is up to our admin to take care of it as he sees fit and of course, we will always disagree on that, just like we disagree on everything else. The only way for two people to not disagree, is to never meet. The only way for people to not be vocal, is to never be around another human being. Any time there is interaction of any kind there will be a mixture of problems. It is what it is and if the admin is ok with it, then we can deal with it, or we can go somewhere else. Fairly simple.
EDIT: Maybe threads that come up with complaints, should be dumped into the actual rating threads for vendors. Maybe that might be a better answer. The rating threads are there for a reason. Maybe it could be done, but it would take more work on our admin's part.
This is a pretty good idea. I can’t very easily move threads, but it’s easy to create links to existing threads in the rating threads, and I can even put the link in the first post if needed. I don’t mind doing that if users PM me a link.