Kind of interesting shape. Imagine this as a long battery tube, with certain improvements, plus the usual missing parts (head/pill/tailcap). Heat dissipation improvements guaranteed. With some smart designing, even fans could be used.
The PalmStar EDC light from the outdoorsplus.com is described as magnesium alloy 6061, the bike light as aluminum alloy 6061 in the manual. I guess both are the same because magnesium is part of 6061 alloy. 6061 is the most common aluminum alloy, also used for bike frames and other stuff. I guess that was the alloy apple used for the iphone which had the bending problem, later they switched to 7000 series aluminum alloy
Take it from a machinist, you’re better off paying $700 for that light. The only way you’ll get something for less is if a buddy seriously hooks you up, or you get something with far lower detail and quality. Shop rates in the US are expensive, and Vancouver is expensive enough that we have one of your expats that moved his business to my city a couple of years ago.
As far as aircraft grade, that’s a meaningless term. All it takes is a single aerospace application for an alloy to make it “aircraft grade”. Anyhow, 6061 is probably what most flashlight bodies are made out of since it’s so common that it’s typically the least expensive. 7075 is very nice, and can actually cost less at the limits when all costs are considered.
Btw, the industry is using lots of extrusions in anything from cheap flashlights to top end AR15’s. Extrusions mean that big battery tube doesn’t require a big core to be machined out, which saves a lot on material and machining costs. If you look closely at the inside of your flashlight battery tubes, I bet you’ll see the signs of extrusion in there.
Here is an idea. instead of shopping for a good looking light to have a “friend” design and build (a VERY VERY BIG favor).
Consider starting with the application. What do you need the light to do?
I bet we can point you quickly in the right direction of (rational) hosts or parts needed to get you started.
There have been some big throwers and zoomies built on the forum, with not a huge amount of equipment needed.
Please don’t take this as intending to be harsh, But… picking out a photo of a way cool light and not being aware of what it takes to make said light with the plan that someone else who (by definition is not making that light currently) to make it, is to my mind an unfair request and thus unreasonable.
You may well have access to professional skilled labor and equipment of machine shops (but at a minimum understand the scope of the task you would be asking of them to complete for less then market rates). Or maybe you have tons of money and want to support you local machinists and other tradesmen, cool.
At the end of the day the plan that will most likely be adopted
buy new
buy host and mod
build from scratch with out the expectation of the degree of finished detail the OEM product has
or much like the recently completed build contest make a masterpiece (but understand the skill and effort this path requires)
Just trying to save a bunch of time spent on researching dead ends.
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And just for grins the specs on paper are laughable
I like watching machines such as cnc mills, 3D printers, lately i also like laser cutters. The little ones for engraving wood are so cheap nowadays. Im just thinking what i can do with it all the time.
Thanks I know what lights Surefire makes, I just wanted to use that one as an example of the “can” style light I want to build.
Thanks, you’re right, my university has the tools but I would need a lot of metalwork experience to be able to use the tools myself so I would be relying on someone else to do most of the work for me.
The only ones I would be able to use myself are regular lathes, the CNC ones are in a special lab and you need an instructor to be there.
I think I’ve found a good retail option for about $250 US that I might go for instead.
Thanks, I would design the light myself, but I would definitely need someone to help me with a CNC lathe so I’m just looking for retail options now instead.
AFAIK there are no plain hosts with this style of “can” light with a handle, so the only options are to buy one of these lights or build your own.
I have built flashlights out of PVC, so I’m not a complete noob, but I wanted this one to be full aluminum and have a more military look to it.
Haha yeah I was admiring how precise and beautiful those machines could shape the aluminum
absolutely.
a good head with a solid shelf will be machined from a solid chunk.ones with a tiny ledge are also likely starting from an extrusion.
its all about reducing the steps required to get to finished part.this is why all the cheapie lights have the tiny ledge for the emitter plate to rest on.
no need to machine a solid bar to make a tube.
this comes from being in many shops fixing cnc controls and owning a bridgeport with an mx3 system on it.
Yep, and why the driver/mcpcb section on large diameter lights are either necked down or not very long with a separate reflector section, although that can also be a trick to allow less expensive stock. As much as I’d love to make a head starting from 5x5x5 stock, the stock alone would cost more than most of my lights.
Nice work. I’m looking at trying to break into that field. It seems like it’d be much more interesting than most machining jobs, and the salary potential is much higher as well. Sales engineer would be awesome too, but that’s going to take several years to get to where I know enough to get certified.
I have calculated cost for $5/kg (yes, weight was calculated for dimensions in inches). In fact is it even cheaper.
Retail companies can set any prices. Usually, Im not ready to pay for material (solid rod) more than 2-3 times more that material’s exchange price.
So with the BLF GT using a ~130mm head, the raw material cost in China would be around $25 + machine work? Do you know anything about machine cost in china?
I am trying to get an idea of what to expect the body of the light to cost, so far it sounds like it is basically inline with my estimates, I was thinking about ~$50 or so for the body of the light + reflector and other components
That’s great that you can get those prices in Russia and China. Now I need to find where I can get small quantities for the same rates in the US. I’m out of luck getting a cutoff from the shops where I live now. No local supplier for anything near that size here either.
Guys, dont trust all those stupid politicians about difference in cost of different resources in different countries. Their cost is same, this is fundamental factor of market economy. Big diffetence can be found in N.Korea.
Sometimes material is very cheap per its weight, so shipping cost may include more visible price enlargement when it moves to the other country. Sometimes countries have import taxes, but do you really think this 10-20% would make great difference?
Same can be said according to machining. This tools that we are watching on youtube from this thread, they are making difference by themself. One tool eats less electricity than lots of regular machines, it requires less place, it collects 100% of machined material. You need just such tool, piece of material, and thats all. Two specialists - cnc operator with modeling function and high qualified mechanic - they can operate several such tools. So, there is no big difference where do you have it - most expenses are percent for the credits, depreciation and the price of consumables. Neverless it is located.
China can provide big difference in cost when you need lots of low-qualified hand work. And you can get hundreds of hands that are ready to start tomorrow.
Upd.
This is not mine prices. This prices are exchange price +(100-200). One company have bought 1000 tons, smaller one have bougth 10 tons, one more have just several bars for you. I suppose that 100 is enough to cover all their expenses.
No wonder that you have met problems with material seaching in CA. Not very suitable place for big stocks and big various of factories. You can find lots of offers on ebay. I have taken a quick look and realized that companies have enormous prices, but sometimes you can find proper pieces from individual sellers.
P.S. I didnt know that there could be such problems in the US. I have a small band saw, providing members with small pieces is not a problem for me.