Is there a demand for protected 18650's?

Yes, I will be a customer for sure. I purchase protected cells in bulks of 48 every few months.
I purchase ncr18650B from AliExpress for the past few years. I sell flashlights to my coworkers and friends as a side hustle.
But for my personal lights, I only use unprotected cells.

Thanks!

I wanted to order protected 18650’s because the cheap lights I’m using dont have lvp. Looks like theres a demand for both. Thanks.

I will probably sell both then, a protected button top and flat top. Vaping community needs high amps so thats another consideration.

I used to only get protected cells.

Now I only get unprotected.

Unprotected feels better.

I go with unprotected for no parasitic drain and becasue i only use 1 cell lights.
The bigger issue is can you get enough cells to satiate demand and can you ensure they are genuine?

When you cater to muggles, you are bound to have contingencies My Sofirn SP35 won’t power on with my 21700 batteries, why?

As for shipping Lithium Ions, check Canada post. There are restrictions (airfreight).

You will also need some legal advice regarding any mishap. Just takes one incident that will jeopardize your endeavours and be a financial burden for life.

I can currently receive lithium batteries from China that are delivered by Canada Post so its curious.

I’m less inclined to buy from a small merchant with a garage gig, be it from China or US or Canada. A merchant’s bread and butter is sales and any manner of such is prioritized. So legal or not, circumnavigating the rules that ensure the safety of the populace over the desires of the individual is against my integrity.
I don’t buy batteries (or chemicals) from China or any uncredited outfit.

I like protected cells for headlamps.

How will you be able to offer “competitive” prices and have a supplier assemble the BMS on cells, maybe add custom wrapping?
Do you really think you can sell cheaper than the big players who buy at larger discount?
And you as a small buyer, will suffer even more from supply shortage and exploding prices, because you are not on any priority list, other than big players who due the high volume flow can deduct a few cents each sale and can offer “incentives” for being on the list.

Even shipping cost are unsustainable for a small company. While big players pay less than 1$ for shipping, because they create a constant “base load”, you pay 10$, set aside packaging material.
The only thing you could make money on is handling and logistics by streamlining the procedures, but do you really want to enslave yourself for a few cents an hour?

@flashburn, he can still create a small business account with Canada Post, which will give him cheaper rates.

If his SMB gets large enough, he gets access to higher discount tiers.

I’ll have to do some more research on shipping. I wrongly assumed for ground mail it wouldn’t be a problem. Thanks for letting me know.

I understand what your saying about buying from merchants, but I wont circumnavigating the rules. I assume you mean shipping them illegally, which is a huge liability (and safety risk to everyone). I wont be doing that.

Its definitely not an easy business. Margins are slim and there isn’t a huge number of customers. With the current inflated prices I’m looking to sell protected Sanyo NCR18650GA’s for $9. From what I’ve seen thats cheaper than any other vendor currently in stock, but let me know if you see cheaper.

Yup, a small discount but you need to spend $7500 on shipping yearly to reach the top tier. That will never happen

@waterlights, I would sell both protected and unprotected NCR18650GAs, and perhaps even some 21700s.

Heck, you could even sell button top accessories so you get some easy margins on the side.

Also @waterlights, I think you can also try something more… experimental if you get enough sales:

how about you become an official Canadian reseller for BatteryHookup?

I’d be concerned about being sued and other liability considerations. If you can it’s always best if you can separate your personal finances from your business ones.

Thats what I’ve come to realize. I thought flat tops were a niche market for pack builders, didnt know a lot of people like using them in lights too. Selling accessories is a good idea, 18650 chargers are hard to find, heat shrink wrap, etc.

Never heard of them before. Could be possible but I cant get ahead of myself yet :slight_smile:

I really don’t own any li-ion series lights, so I’m never in the market for protected cells.

Chris

Canada Post is probably a bust to the US. I tried calling them and got a useless agent who insisted it was allowed. When he finally realized it said “Not accepted” he just nope you cant do it. Tried asking if any of the shipping service options allow it or if there are any exceptions, to no avail. Canada Post is the absolute worst courier of all time. For a little more money ($16) I will use UPS. Delivery is faster and guaranteed, unlike Canada Post.

And you haven’t dealt with Canadian Border Services Agency regarding importing Lithium Cells in bulk. My experience isn’t too good with added costs due to special handling. They also frown on such imports from China. However, the Chinese logistics company can and should look into all costs prior to exporting. The broker has the mandate to uphold the CBSA requirements and duties. If they skip this prior then the goods may be refused to be shipped. Naturally, I’m looking at air freight. By boat, it’s most probably easier and longer.

As for the legality, you are responsible for any damage to people or property. The onus is on the merchant as the primary source of said items. Then it becomes of you to prosecute the maker if they cut on quality control and some component fails to protect – best of luck to sue some foreign manufacturer or distributor.

A fellow around my parts had a good liaison with a Chinese supplier for lithiums. The first shipment went without a hitch (about 50). Things took an expensive proposition after. He abandoned the business. Same with my preferred electronic store. They got a first batch of 30Qs but couldn’t get a second one. But then they (the store) didn’t give the details and some border tariffs/handling is of my conjecture. This as I had ordered from 18650BatteryStore some 50 Sony VTC6 but had to pay out hidden costs thru the broker.

I’m assuming your supplier is Chinese. If you found a cross-border American supplier, then hat’s off and go for it.

5 years ago few commercial flashlights were available with included batteries and thus there was a market for flashlight manufacturer branded and 3rd party protected batteries. With most consumer orientated lights now coming with batteries included, internal USB charging, and a range of proprietary designs there is only a small market for 3rd party Li-ion batteries.