Just Received my Cyclone C88

My camera with the eneloops is on its way, i’m going to fully charge them and test it out, see what i get

Can I test for voltage sag under load?

Two others who have tested this light with eneloops got 1.9 amps, does this mean the AMCs are splitting it equally, or does it mean only some of them are operating?

I am curious because if we assume both of their lights work correctly and this is the capability of the eneloops, if I get 1.6 or 1.8 amps with them would it suggest an AMC failure, or would it still be 1.9 if one or two failed since that would be less then the difference between 1.9 and 2.8 that the driver should be pulling?

I just tested mine again with my new-but-also-cheap DMM and got 1.9 amp with 3 x eneloop AA that were charged a few months ago. (2.8 with a King Kong)

AA work in the Cyclone but . . .

Foy

I agree, i am looking into lithium with plans to order soon, do you have any sanyo 18650s? Can they or any average 18650 put out 2.8amps or does it have to be 26650 for full amperage?

Also i tested the eneloops late last night, it gave 2.02 amps peak

A good 18650 should give you everything the light has. The 18650 and 26650 are both 3.7 volt batteries so, you should see about the same current draw, just a little less run time with the smaller battery.

Foy

excellent, thanks :slight_smile:

1. You can. You need to disassemble the light, connect the cells with magnets and add some leads. Now install the leads of the DMM to read the voltage of all 4 cells in series -> should give you about 6V. If you now connect this setup to the pill, it will light up and the voltage will sag to somewhere around 3.5V.

2. They dont work at all, the light basically goes direct drive.

3. The driver doesnt pull anything, the LED does. The driver just regulates it, because XMLs can pull 5A or more from good cells. By building a driver in, you limit it to 2.8A (in this case).

Now LEDs do have a forward voltage. They wont light up below a certain voltage and this voltage determines current draw. The higher the voltage, the higher the current draw. But its very inaccurate, thats why AMC-baseds drivers are so popular. They regulate the current and let the forward voltage determinate itself.

~no scientific explanation, but thats how I understood it and it works out in real-life applications~

So, would it be correct to say that the amperage for eneloop batteries is sagging under the current draw to the led lower limit and thats what setting the 1.9 to 2amp draw limit?

Since the light uses 3 batteries in series, would using 4 batteries allow more current to flow, less sagging on each?

Would trying this damage the led or driver since it has a 4.5volt limit?

http://www.intl-outdoor.com/amc71358-5mode-circuit-board-nanjg-105c-p-216.html

I know i’m asking complicated questions that may be hard to answer

I'd grab a tr01 for under 10$ and rip apart that lap top battery pack .unless you have a real dud then there are going to be probably 5 decent cells in it . meanwhile i'd order a few decent batteries and wait on those .

I assume there are only a few bad cells screwing up the entire pack that's normally the case ..buy a tr01 from T mart or someone who will ship it fast and then you can wait on the rest .

I re-read my posts, i did write it a bit confusingly, the laptop batteries are maybe 5 years old and at 100% charge (4.2V) only hold 40% of what they did when new.

I am planning to buy some new 18650 or 26650 batteries with a decent charger, but i have not decided what is the best value, i don’t mind spending a bit more, but i have to careful about cost. I am currently considering the sanyo 18650 from intl outdoor, unless someone has better suggestions.

Voltage is sagging, not amperage. 4 cells would give you more current draw, yes. Normally no problem for the driver, low mode might be critical tho.

Well, those Sanyos from IO are unprotected. If you are OK with that, there are cheaper sources.. for that price you can get them protected.

where?

http://www4.buyincoins.com/details/new-sanyo-li-ion-18650-rechargable-3-7v-2-6ah-2600mah-battery-with-protected-product-12508.html

Other very good 18650 cells:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/pingyi.co.ltd/m.html?_nkw=18650+2600mAh

I very much dislike ebay, bad experiences

Buy good Li-ion cells, then try to measure. And simply buy thick leads and eliminate the possibility of the leads adding to much resistance.

Don't go for the cheapest, these are very good: http://www.intl-outdoor.com/2-pcs-sanyo-ur18650fm-2600mah-protected-battery-p-516.html

How ironic you replied to this old thread just now, the cells i ordered arrived today, and like i posted in the what you got today thread, still no dice, 2.44 on high, 0.75 medium, 0.11 low :frowning:

I simply did not read this thread until today.

So you got the Marsfire?

king kong INR 26650

I see, then those cells should have no problem regarding resistance. Try cleaning the threads of the flashlight and use thick leads.

already done, i took the pill out and used several layers of wire before i accepted those as the final numbers

Try changing the driver and see if that brings any change. Or you can take the driver out and test it separately out of the pill but still connected to an XM-L.

I'm really curious of this.