I do hope you are not suggesting that I was in some way not polite.
My queries were robust but I think all were fully justified given YouWantLed's claims and posts.
I do not believe it wholly honest to put that freight is not included in tiny type.
I do not believe it wholly honest to say that an offer is exclusive to BLF when it is not.
I accept those could remotely have been honest errors by YouWantLed.
However, his claim that these lights were in someway superior to others by claiming that they were bought as whole flashlights from Cree or that the emitters were bought direct from Cree and presumably put into 200 pills by his own company beggars belief and I just cannot see that that statement was either true or an honest mistake.
Please note also that I did not resort to using personal insults. Although I was sorely tempted to respond to his insult - 'Whinging Pom' - I did not. In my experience if a supplier resorts to personal insults when he is called about his statements or claims then I know the kind of level of customer service his company are likely to provide. I think most around here know that too.
If BLF users who have read this whole thread think I was not polite please tell me in which post that was and I will readily apologize.
I completely agree with you VFMaddict. I also think the sellers reaction isn't very smart from a business point of view...
Sellers with honest, clear and good offers here have everything to gain: for exemple: sws with their famous xtar 2600's, it's a really good offer and see how much of these batteries they have already sold....
I agree also..with VFM..good points and no personal insults..the reply "winging pom" was pretty insulting and not the behaviour I want from a company that I buy from..
Damn...he finally agrees to offer the package for $23 with free shipping and he still gets a finger in the face for something minor. I took his post to mean the emitters used are mounted on the emitter base by Cree and bought directly from Cree by his flashlight manufacturer instead of the emitters bought on a roll and mounted to the emitter base by a 3rd party.
Yes, the "out the door" for $23 was very misleading as "out the door" means if I gave him $23 it would cover all taxes, fees and shipping that would be applicable for it to be out the door and on it's way to me. I can't say it was intentional deception but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and call it poor wording on his part.
At any rate these might have made great Christmas gifts but as usual all it takes is one member with a burr under his saddle to make a deal go south.
Hi VFM, no I wasn't trying to suggest anything. If anybody has been impolite, I'm sure they'll recognize it on an individual basis and try to avoid it in the future.
t First they are complaining, now they are "FLYING", soon they will be everywhere....d*mn poms!
Even to VFM...
The Whinging Pom thing wasn't exactly personal .. its a general description they use for people from England (Pom) in Australia.. For some reason they do carry on a little too much at times ( sorry VFM, I'm just explaining the term and why it was used. I'm not having another shot at you) and thus the phrase Whinging
Maybe "out the door" was not the right phrase to use, Sorry .. perhaps misleading
The price of $23 is $0.85 more than our cost. There are cheaper factories I could buy from over here and make over $6 each. But I have a good manufacturer who doesn't cut corners, and the product is "Quality". The Cree LED is purchased directly from the CREE factory as JohnnyMac rightly understood. These flashlights are not the stuff you pickup on ebay. The exact same looking light would only cost me $15-$17
So now ... how far do you think $0.85 will get a package directly out of China to the US, UK, Australia??
I don't inflate the cost of the freight .. you pay what we pay based on weight ..
In the end I thought, I'll do the right thing by BLF members and threw in shipping .. however yet again that wasn't good enough!! despite the fact that we were going to pay for shipping out of our pockets average of at least $10 x 200 pieces
This was meant to be an introductory offer by us to BLF members. The factory called me to notify me that all 200 peices could be laser etched "BLF Member" however by this time things were totally getting out of hand and I was losing it anyway.
You were going to pay $23 for a decent flashlight ... you will not get a US military issue Navy Seal flashlight for $23
I say again ... I could have pocket over $1000 by offering a very very similar looking light for $23 instead of these.
Anyway, I've had enough .. its past 3am and I'm just totally over it today
Just remember the offer was made in GOOD FAITH with NO intention of robbing you of your money for a shity light
Actually, I thought the change to included shipping was pretty generous. I'm just not interested in another C8 variant and cheap batteries. They're also pretty easy to come by. Maybe you have another model you'd be interested in offering a discount on this forum. I think you still have plenty of interested members. Just be careful of the tiny print tactics ;) haha
And please don't take offense, VFM. I still understand and sympathize with your concerns.
OMG'.....does this refer to "Brown Anodize" no extra charge? Now that is customer service!!!
Sorry, YouWantLED, but I don't buy a word of it. You dodge and dive and change things only when pulled up on them
I suggest that anyone who wants to assess your honesty take a look at post 10 of this thread.
Its obviously in your nature to deceive and mislead. Unless you are claiming now to be a new Victor Kiam and were so impressed that you eventually bought the company...........LOL
Hang your head in shame, sir.
WOW! I'm starting to have flashbacks from a thread about some great batterys for sale to BLF members.
Thanks for the generous offer YouWantLED.
What is the matter with you??
.. Are you like the Sherlock Holmes of BLF or something ??
What are you trying to prove? It was the first post in this forum and not sure how to get people to the site !! And not that it has anything to do with you..
Just get over it !!
You bloody well F***KED it for everyone else .. and now your trying to repent
Hey you want a flashlight .. go and annoy someone else..
Really.. now everyone who didn't know what a WHINGING POM was, now fully understand why the name has stuck to guys !!
Get a life .. get over it !!
Look everyone lets cut to the chase.
This flashlight or similar can be had for $14 shipped. without batteries and charger.
The price you are offering is not a good deal.
The XinTD C8 is a better deal and is better quality at only $29.95 shipped
Thank you How2
Well put .. thats all it would have takenin the first place
Thank but no thanks ... I go elsewhere
But this guy !!! no no no, he just has to keep going with it doesn't he
We'll see what else he comes up with ... hopefuly nothing .
The price is okay if its the ultrafire c8 xml. So is the deal still on? I will take it if it includes batteries and charger and is shipped for $23.00. Will make a great gift.
There you go again.............lol
No apology by you for trying to deceive members that you were just a customer in that other thread. You said that you did it because you were not sure how to get folks to your site. What was so wrong with just saying there that your company had what the member wanted? No instead you chose to lie. That says a lot about you.
I mentioned that thread only to demonstrate fully that you do indeed resort to deceit. I thought that evidence was far more useful to members than just resorting to personal insults in the way that you do.
How did you reply to that evidence? Well, again you resorted to personal insults. You really don't like it when your untruths are uncovered do you? Have you ever considered Anger Management Therapy?
Let me give you a tip - If you want to succeed in business then always deal over a glass topped table. Because once you lose credibility its typically gone for ever.
Yours sincerely,
The, unfortunately for you, Accurate Whinging Pom...........lol
I registered on your site as "EDC".
Btw I just got one of ebay and the postage was 19.10 HKD?
I've been watching this thread for some reason and decided to chime in. I think VFM made some valid points.
Somehow i don't trust this seller base on his selling tactics. There are a lot of things he said that doesn't add up to me.
He said: The price of $23 is $0.85 more than our cost. There are cheaper factories I could buy from over here and make over $6 each. But I have a good manufacturer who doesn't cut corners, and the product is "Quality". The Cree LED is purchased directly from the CREE factory as JohnnyMac rightly understood. These flashlights are not the stuff you pickup on ebay. The exact same looking light would only cost me $15-$17
In the end I thought, I'll do the right thing by BLF members and threw in shipping .. however yet again that wasn't good enough!! despite the fact that we were going to pay for shipping out of our pockets average of at least $10 x 200 pieces
So now ... how far do you think $0.85 will get a package directly out of China to the US, UK, Australia??
I don't inflate the cost of the freight .. you pay what we pay based on weight ..
In the end I thought, I'll do the right thing by BLF members and threw in shipping .. however yet again that wasn't good enough!! despite the fact that we were going to pay for shipping out of our pockets average of at least $10 x 200 pieces
So he is willing to lose $10 x 200 =$2000 and go through a lot of troubles, expenses, times just for our beloved BLF ???
Personally, as a seller...you're nothing short of an idiot.
You made a mistake, or two....it was pointed out to you very clearly and you took it the wrong way, then did nothing short of show yourself and company up.
Your British reference was totally unneeded.
You lazy, beach bum Aussie.
Back to the drawing board, personally I don't think commercial sellers have any place here when they act in this manner after a mistake.
PS. No I won't be buying from you in future, I at least get some form of respect when dealing directly with Chinese companies.
Edit: The Aussie bit wasn't serious, it was to show that the British thing has no relevance.
Postage should cost around USD3 + as the light I bought did not have batteries or a charger. I will try them out. Send me a coupon code Youwantled- please.