The XM-L puts out much more total light than an XR-E Q5 or XP-E Q5 but it is spread out more evenly over the beam of a light. The Q5 outputs less total lumens but most of its light output is concentrated in the beams hotspot. Its a bit like the old story that a woman's stiletto heel puts more pressure on the area it covers than an elephant's foot puts on that same small area. This is why the total lumens output by the T6 are more but the Q5's hotspot can be brighter. It is this concentrated brightness which produces more throw, especially in a zoomie. That's about the simplest way to think of it.
http://www.dinodirect.com/ltank007-ed-flashlight-cree-xre-q5-5mode-zoom-210lumens.html
A rational look at flood to throw lights makes thousands of lumens just not ever gonna happen...the up side is most people would say the redline light is pretty easy to beat .
i'd suggest a tank 007 737 since the build/fit and finish is very nice .it has 3 nicely spaced modes and strobe/sos . 18650 and 3AAA...If you decided to change emitters it's a nicer platform to work off of imho
I also like the edi-t lights for sale on dx /focal and lighttake
My guess is if you like the redline you'll love the edi-t lights
https://budgetlightforum.com/t/-/4689#node-5430
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/edi-t-p18-cree-q3-1-mode-180lm-convex-lens-... P18 1 mode 3xAAA
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/edi-t-p10-cree-q3-1-mode-180lm-convex-lens-... P10 1 mode 3xAAA
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/edi-t-p3-cree-q3-5-mode-180lm-convex-lens-w... P3 5 mode 3xAAA
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/edi-t-p13-cree-q3-3-mode-180lm-convex-lens-... P13 3 mode 3xAAA
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/edi-t-p5-cree-q3-3-mode-180lm-convex-lens-w... P5 3 mode 1x18650
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/edi-t-p2-cree-q3-1-mode-250lm-convex-lens-w... P2 1 mode 1x18650
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/edi-t-p19-cree-3-mode-180lm-convex-lens-whi... P19 3 mode 1x18650
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/edi-t-t13-cree-q3-3-mode-180lm-convex-lens-... T12 3 mode 1x18650
Even in a fixed-beam flashlight (which I prefer) the Chinese claims of 1000+ lumens is quite a marketing exaggeration (I tried to put that politely). But if you enjoyed your Nebo, I think you would be quite happy with a light like a 2xAA Caveman or Solarforce AAA light.
Then you will be ecstatic when you get an 18650 light...they are way cool.
That's a very informative description. It's the kind of info that I'm looking for.
Do you know what the actual difference is, either in total lumens or percentage, between the Q5 and T6 and the difference in beam angle, between the two?
Also, is information available about the effective run-time for the Q5 and T6, using some standard, such as with a single 18650?
Thanks again.
John
The run time would be determined by how hard the emitter was driven and that would depend on the individual flashlight manufacturer and not the emitter manufacturer.
If both emitters XR-E and XM-L were driven to the max allowed on their spec sheet the XR-E would run 3 times as long since it would be driven at 1A and the XM-L would be driven at 3A.
The beam angle of the XR-E is (I believe) about 95 degrees and (I believe) the XM-L is around 110 degrees.
The difference in lumens could be as great as 220 lumens for the XR-E to 900 or so for the XM-L (ball park figures) but again it depends on how hard they are driven and that also depends on heatsinking and whether one or two batteries are being used among other things.
Boaz,
You included links from DealExtreme, in your post. Have you actually bought from them? What was your purchase experience?
Thanks,
John
XR-E beam angle is 90 degrees and the XM-L is 125 degrees.
If you want maximum throw compared to flood, an XM-L is not the way to go even with it's higher output. The 90 degree viewing angle of an XR-E focuses the majority of it's light into the center of the aspheric lens transferring into greater throw distance than the XM-L. The XM-L spreads it's greater output into a wider area resulting in less actual lumens reaching the center of the aspheric lens where it matters, resulting in a great loss of brightness in it's throw.
The way to make up for it is to use a greater diameter aspheric lens and they don't even begin to get efficient with an XM-L until you hit 50mm or larger. 66mm lenses and up are best with the XM-L when it comes to throw. If you are looking to get fantastic flood then the XM-L is the king compared to an XR-E.
Johnnymac and VF, I sort of agree with you, but only in the sense that we are talking about a P60 reflector.
P60's sort of came about in the Luxeon era, and were even more optimized with the XR-E/XP-E. But once you get past that P60 reflector into the C8, TK41, etc, I think the throw of the beam still is much better with the XM-L than the XR-E. The only exception I can think of is that giant Solarforce masterpiece thrower, but I think even on that, if you put an XM-L in it would still get better throw than you would out of the XR-E
Aspherics? I try to avoid them like the plague, way too unpredictable for me in terms of what you will get when you try one, but I think in the future there might be more advances with flashlight lenses that may make them more feaseible.
Actually I think the OP was originally asking for aspheric advice which is where gcbryan and I are coming from. He wants info on a FTT light.
I agree with you that a large reflectored XM-L is better overall than an XR-E reflector based light. While the XR-E is able to reach out and touch something, it does so with a tiny spot. The XM-L will put more light over a larger area and is far more useful to me when something is far away. My old eyes don't have much use for a light over 300yds anyway. At that distance I still can't tell what something is in any detail even in broad daylight. ;)
I agree, my mistake.
BTW, my first non-maglite light was a Nebo Redline. It is still a very impressive light for non-flashaholics.
The Nebo Redline was the flashlight that started me on my current quest for a better light, where I have learned that there is a host of much better flashlights out there. The variety is amazing. Decisions... Decisions... Decisions... Which LED?... Which battery?... Which supplier?... Which brand?... This is gonna be fun.
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BTW, nice pony. I had a fully tricked out '66 Mustang through '69.
In short - stay away from XM-L zooming lights. They waste a lot of light, especially in throw mode (even 40-50% of light).
Fenix TK70 - all the light you need! If I had the slightest need for that much light(and throw!!), I would buy it in a heartbeat.
Very pocketable too! 
For reference, flashlight wiki has great info on brightness bins from different manufacturers:
http://flashlight-wiki.com/Brightness_Bins
as well as little more details on Cree emitters:
http://flashlight-wiki.com/Cree
and a lot of other useful info besides the links I posted. Browse that wiki, it probably answers most beginner questions on emitters.
I usually keep these two URLs open in my browser all the time, for quick reference.
Viktor
No problem, I'm happy that I could help! :)
In return, I ask that you post your opinions and pictures and beamshots and.... whatever you feel like, about any flashlights you get. ;)
Viktor
GurusInc, welcome.
And get ready for an incredible ride of obsession mixed with experimentation! :p Lights are awesome, like an extension of yourself!
As suggested, try the Small Sun and then try the SAIK SA-9.
https://budgetlightforum.com/t/-/3302
Both are superb throwers and will prove extremely useful.
XM-L zoomies, in general (as already pointed out), are of little use. But in the interests of learning more about zoomies, you might read my review here on an MC-E zoomie, which does pack some punch and is quite bright (just not pocketable and with some artifacts in the beam)...
https://budgetlightforum.com/t/-/5873
I'm close to a decision, so as soon as I make that decision, and order and receive the product, I certainly will post opinions and photos of the flashlight, as well as opinions on the seller.
Thanks to what I've learned here, I'm leaning away from a zoomie. More later...
John
John, If you are not in a hurry, I have Small Sun ZY-C10, Sipik SA-9 and Sipik SA-22 on the way. I'll probably compare all of them once they arrive and I can let you know the results.
Rusty Joe, do you have all these? Can you post some comparison of these 3, or at least 2?
Parallel beamshots? Compare with Sipik SK68 perhaps?
Viktor
> compare all of them
Oh please!